Don\'t know if I would compare the song writing of Phish to that of The Beatles.  The songs are good, but they\'re not The Beatles...

Ya I would like to clarify that I was agreeing with the point that what separates phish from other progressive acts such as yes and king crimson is their ability to write the more simple popish song from time to time. But I guess when you think about it the beatles made pop music (from rubber soul on) that is certainly much more than pop music. Much in part to more difficult instrumentation than pop music would suggest as well as being weirder(or on drugs) than pop music would suggest. So although I am not trying to compare phish is anywhere near the beatles if one was trying to make a case for how some of phish\'s "popier" songs were beatlesque that is the argument I would make.

Besides the fact that you dislike both of them, what can you offer that would find anything common between the two other than the fact that bruce is from south jersey and so are trey and page....

Besides the fact that you dislike both of them, what can you offer that would find anything common between the two other than the fact that bruce is from south jersey and so are trey and page....

I offered a totally predictable response from you. Beyond that, nothing really.

gotta say alaska is my new fav phish song. heard it on sirius yesterday and i played it 3 times in a row. wish it made it onto joy, but oh well, as long as they keep it in rotation live.

When did they play it live?

Linky?

Alaska was a serious drop in energy listening to that show for me.

In fact I was thinking this may be their most boring song ever!

Not tryin\' to stir the pot, just sayin!

they played it somewhere else too.... maybe burgettstown?  i know i saw that shiz

Smoke better weed Gordo.

I get it tho, Phish is diverse and there\'s something for everyone. Except all the people who don\'t like Phish at all who are probably cops or retarded. I like the dark / creepy side of Phish jams and this Melt stood out in contrast to me to the relatively upbeat, clean, standard-issue major-key jams that had been dominating most of the tour.

the album joy:
well, i have some good and bad things to say. Sugar Shack is imo the best song on the album. I like phish for many things, two of them being syncopated polyrythmic sections and interesting guitar melodies. sugar shack is the only example of these qualities on Joy, and the vocal harmonies are badass. thanks mike.
i really think that (for the most part) the songs on this album suck ass. so does alaska.
stealing time is kinda cool, but "got a clif bar and a cold green tea"? seriously, Tom, you need to reevaluate your ****. in general the lyrics and song structures seem uninspired and way too try-hard serious. than theres TTE. interesting song structure, just kind of boring. actually one of the better songs imo. I\'ve been around would have potential if it had more than one verse, although i see some cool type 1 jams coming from it. twnty years later has a cool feel to it, but only at the end. Ocelot, catchy as hell but a little to Dear Prudence-ey (won\'t you come out to play? get real).

after all this, i am still listening because i know that eventually more of the songs will grow on me. i don\'t understand how people can hate on sugar shack tho. its the only song that sounds like phish, not the Trey band (which sucks).

wow, i feel like an ****.