omc,facts here..
bisco+ump mcgee+bp=horrific vocals.
carryon...
Waht, you are correct and wrong at the same time. "bisco+ump mcgee+bp" are also nobody\'s in the overall terms of the music industry. (Ump Mcgee can\'t sell out the Key Club in LA, which Metal Skool comes close to on a weekly basis.) They have
ZERO buzz and little to no press. Ask anyone around the industry in any of the MRI markets and they will say who.
That being said, their vocals are better but not great. Without good to great vocals you will not sell and appeal to a large audience. No audience, no sales. Bottom line.
Start to think differently and look for opportunities that other bands are not.
The side projects that I\'ve seen, like adding Caitlin - a 14 yr. old prodigy in "Switch Up" or Adrian\'s "Blah Blah Collective" jazz/funk group on Mondays has proven to me that this band is continuing to grow in unique styles. I don\'t see other bands doing this, which is why I keep coming back for more.
Sorry but Side Projects are just that SIDE projects. They do hardly anything to forward the progress of The Breakfast other than putting some cash in Tim or Adrian\'s pocket.
As a matter of fact I am a firm believer that the side projects do more to hinder the growth of The Breakfast rather than help it.
Leith, you are 100% correct. In order to be successful you
MUST focus on the main goal which is the band.
Just as a casual note from a friend of a friend of a friend\'s take on this mess you a call a community.
- Why would this "community" focus so much attention on a festival that is so low on totem pole that it does not get any press?
Any festival is a good festival, especially one that is local and has many new fans to be won over.
- The Jamband scene does not carry any weight in the overall picture of the music industry, nor should it. Jambands DO NOT sell records or digital singles. So the interest and investment is not worth the time of a major label.
I agree with your point here that a major label may not pick up this band. I don\'t think anyone on this board wants this band to be the next "big thing" on MTV, but the jamband scene does carry weight with fans who appreciate and respect quality musicianship.
- Either stop singing or hire a professional singer. Consumers want bands that can play and SING. Without the right vocals a band will not succeed and reach the success that this "community" wants for them.
Many of us have had discussions about the vocals. I\'ve been listening to the band for a few years, and have definitely noticed an improvement in the vocal abilities, and some of their songs (i.e. Rufus) would not be the same with no vocals. I don\'t think they need to hire a professional singer, as there have been plenty of unique singers in the past that have gained popularity due to the originality (i.e. Bob Dylan)
- That being said "the Band and community" must look to do it on their own and hope that they can break even at the end of the year.
That is the management\'s job, not the "community" (which, I don\'t know why you put it in quotes... it is what it is) The fans are here to support the band in any way possible, though there are limitations
- If "you" really want to "break" this band, the community has to stop partying so much and start networking and building relationships.
Many people in this community do more than their share of networking and helping to support the band. Either through taping, attending shows, promoting, taking photos, getting new people to come out, or even just running this website. But to stop having fun and partying? Are you ser?! 
- Start to think differently and look for opportunities that other bands are not.
The side projects that I\'ve seen, like adding Caitlin - a 14 yr. old prodigy in "Switch Up" or Adrian\'s "Blah Blah Collective" jazz/funk group on Mondays has proven to me that this band is continuing to grow in unique styles. I don\'t see other bands doing this, which is why I keep coming back for more.
- Bottom line is that this community and band MUST re-think their image and direction or it will continue to fail.
By asking the band to change in order to succeed is rediculous. You bring up many good points, and I agree with your ideas to help get a mainstream image for this band, but I also feel/hope than management will step up to the plate. Our community is doing many things to help, but it shouldn\'t be up to us and only us to "fix" the problems of the band.
FreeSpirit, you are a lost spirit.
Any festival is a good festival, especially one that is local and has many new fans to be won over.
Yes, if you do not want to grow and appeal to the same crowd who has shit on you for years and years now. You
SHOULD NOT need a local festival to get new fans. If that is the case, you must re-think your marketing plan and start over. It is not working.
I agree with your point here that a major label may not pick up this band. I don\'t think anyone on this board wants this band to be the next "big thing" on MTV, but the jamband scene does carry weight with fans who appreciate and respect quality musicianship.[/b
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In case you have been living in a cave for the past 4 years, MTV is dead. It does not play a role in making or breaking a band anymore. Tom Freston is out and Summer Redstone is still trying to figure out what to do with MTV. MTV is a lifestyle brand ala Christie Hefner\'s Playboy.
The jamband scene may carry weight with fans, but how many of them are out there? Thousands, not millions. Millions break a band, thousands enjoy a band.
Many of us have had discussions about the vocals. I\'ve been listening to the band for a few years, and have definitely noticed an improvement in the vocal abilities, and some of their songs (i.e. Rufus) would not be the same with no vocals. I don\'t think they need to hire a professional singer, as there have been plenty of unique singers in the past that have gained popularity due to the originality (i.e. Bob Dylan)
That\'s fine and dandy if they have improved, but they are still
TERRIBLE! Bob Dylan was a poet and had a great team backing him and supporting him. Not to mention he was on CBS/Columbia back in the Black Rock days when Walter was running the label. Walter and Grubman could make a break bands and they made Dylan.
Either you can sing and sell records or you will always remain a local band with a local following.
That is the management\'s job, not the "community" (which, I don\'t know why you put it in quotes... it is what it is) The fans are here to support the band in any way possible, though there are limitations
No no no!!!! You are 100% wrong! Communities build bands and management makes the right decisions to guide the ship. Without the community, a band has nothing. Just look at Modest Mouse who broke a few years ago. It was due to their fan base!
If you do not know your history, you are doomed to repeat it.Many people in this community do more than their share of networking and helping to support the band. Either through taping, attending shows, promoting, taking photos, getting new people to come out, or even just running this website. But to stop having fun and partying? Are you ser?! ;)
Are you ser? I do not understand. Do you mean am I serious? Yes. Your networking is grassroots promotion, not "networking". Grassroots promotion and networking are two different things in two different leagues. When you start to attend black tie dinners with media moguls and get lunches and meetings with them, that is networking. When you pass out fliers, promote, and take photos you are doing grassroots promotion.
"taking photos" - Do you upload them to Flicker and use them to build the bands Google Ranking and buzz? Photos are a great tool if you use them right.
The side projects that I\'ve seen, like adding Caitlin - a 14 yr. old prodigy in "Switch Up" or Adrian\'s "Blah Blah Collective" jazz/funk group on Mondays has proven to me that this band is continuing to grow in unique styles. I don\'t see other bands doing this, which is why I keep coming back for more.
See my response in Leith\'s post. The band is not focused what makes me think they do not want the ultimate prize.
By asking the band to change in order to succeed is ridiculous. You bring up many good points, and I agree with your ideas to help get a mainstream image for this band, but I also feel/hope than management will step up to the plate. Our community is doing many things to help, but it shouldn\'t be up to us and only us to "fix" the problems of the band.
How is it ridiculous? Answer that question for me. John Mayer changed and he became a superstar thanks in part to Donnie, Jason, Aware, and Columbia. How was he able to do this? He
networked and kissed Jason\'s ass to get to Donnie and then Donnie made him a priority and he made him a superstar. Mayer sells out MSG and dates on-again off-again label group mate Jessica Simpson.
He changed and won. You can change and win. It\'s your call and your future. That is all.
