A very frustrated FAN vents

[davepeck]

If you think that the band was better as a quartet, or you don\'t think the band is worth your time, then you\'re not a fan, and you don\'t belong on this board anymore.

umm.. no. greg ellis doesn\'t get to decide who is/isn\'t a fan of the band, or who does/doesn\'t belong on this board. nice try though. i love how you say that music is great because people enjoy different things, and in the very next breath you say that someone can\'t be a fan if they considered the old breakfast better. this is a band that has gone through many stages/phases, and just because someone doesn\'t like what\'s happening at a given moment, doesn\'t mean they\'re not a fan. give it a rest.

Mine, and many other people\'s patience has worn very thin with all the bullshit that goes on this board.

well then maybe it\'s you and those \'many other people\' who shouldn\'t be coming to .info anymore. :shrug: i don\'t see you posting anything other than pouring gasoline on this fire to try to spark some intelligent discussions elsewhere on the board..

In all honesty, I can name at least four people that would be pretty happy if  dave decided to pull the plug on this whole thing.

curious: would those be the same people who (a) have stated time and time again that band members shouldn\'t be posting on .info, and (b) have stated time and time again that they are not affected by, and pay no attention to anything posted on .info??

just curious. cause yeah, the band would definitely be better off without .info. cause they wouldn\'t have to listen to their light guy bitch and moan about it on long rides and stuff..

[Todd]

:slap: That\'s gotta hurt the knew do!!!

[Yoda]

I\'m probably the last person that should be posting on this thread since I haven\'t been to a show since before they changed their name, but I have continued to listen to their shows on archive.org.  But I figure that I\'ll add my two cents.

- I think that the band was more fun with Jordan
- I think that the band is tighter now without Jordan
- I think that vocals were a problem for the band before and after Jordan
- I think that the band will still make good music as a trio (the three of them have been the core of numerous bands and have continued to make good music with whoever they play with)
- Do I think that they will ever move past the opening act/local circuit - probably not

Does this breed negativity, it could, but it doesn\'t have to.  I think that they are succeeding as long as they continue to make music that they are proud of and that their fans continue to enjoy.  If they want to move to the next level, they will do what they have to do and there will always be someone whether they are on the board or not to piss and moan about the changes.

Just my two cents.

[Jim Cobb]

i started coming to breakfast shows and keep coming to breakfast shows to see tim play.  honestly, that\'s the draw for me.  i think he\'s one of the best guitarists on the jam band scene.  i loved seeing him play with jordan and i love seeing him play without jordan.  i mean NO disrespect to the other band members past and present.  if they sucked i probably wouldn\'t go to the shows, i\'m just saying that my MAIN reason for seeing the band has not changed nor has it been affected by any of the changes the band has gone through.  they could go up there playing polka tunes, and tim would tear the fucking shit out of them.

that said, this is an internet message board.  a discussion forum.  what do we discuss?  the breakfast (amongst other things).  this kind of thread can be a stimulating debate, or it could be a terribly depressing cesspool of negativity.  but it is the READER that decides which one it is.  i am creating my own reality at any given moment.  if i want i can come into this thread and read offensive, negative, unproductive garbage, or i can read an impassioned debate about people\'s opinions on the choices the band has made.  if i\'m really frustrated by the fact that the band is having a hard time drawing large crowds and seems to be at a plateau, then this thread is going to piss me off.  if i\'m in a place of accepting that things are exactly how they are supposed to be at this very moment, then it\'s going to be much easier for me to enter this thread with less of a heavy attitude...

just my two cents.  does this mean i get to be a fan, or am i cut from the team?

[stefpav]

curious: would those be the same people who (a) have stated time and time again that band members shouldn\'t be posting on .info,

^^really???  that\'s kinda silly isn\'t it?  since, you know, it is a website based around them...don\'t they at least get to defend themselves (as in this thread), or talk to their fans besides at a show, or whatnot?  meh...people...

anywho, after reading this whole thread i figured i\'d toss in my one cent thought  

i\'ve seen the breakfast way back when...i think i was probably 13 (maybe).  my friends\' band would open for them at toad\'s.  i must admit, i really didn\'t like PB back then, but i was also into much harder/heavier music.  but even though i didn\'t like them, i still appreciated their talents.  Tim has always been slippin\' and slidin\' his fingers all over those frets...same as Ron.  and adrian is just the nastiest drummer i\'ve seen (and yes, i\'ve seen many).  jordan was/is a fantastic keyboardist.  

so, when i got older (so sad, i know...i hate aging too) my eyes were opened up to all sorts of other genres of music..not just heavy metal/punk.  and i began to groove to the tunes of PB.  still had the appreciation for their talent, and my appreciation of their music grew beyond anything i could imagine.  yes the keyboards added a certain element to the music, but they didn\'t make up the majority of it.  don\'t get me wrong...i enjoy listening to jordan play with the boys, and those will be memories never to be forgotten.  and i must add, i would rant and rave to others about how i thought they sounded better/tighter at every show i saw.

now, i listen to tB as a trio and i find that they sound terrific still!  i do sort of wish tim would kinda lay off the keys, and just wail out on the guitar, but meh...whatever, i\'m not gonna cry over it.  and it does fill in some voids in songs.  but now more than ever Ron is standing out in the band.  and that\'s awesome!  because ron is a really excellent bassist.  i was somewhat taken aback at the toad\'s show (first time i saw the trio) because i hadn\'t ever heard him sound so clear before.  and i continue to tell others tB gets better at every show i see.  

-the end-  

[davepeck]

curious: would those be the same people who (a) have stated time and time again that band members shouldn\'t be posting on .info,

^^really???  that\'s kinda silly isn\'t it?  since, you know, it is a website based around them...don\'t they at least get to defend themselves (as in this thread), or talk to their fans besides at a show, or whatnot?

\'those people\' i was talking about are band members.

[stefpav]

hahaha...oh.  
<~~~lil\' ditsy :wave:

i know this is a little off topic, and probably "newbish" sounding, but why wouldn\'t they want to post on .info?  aren\'t they their own fans?  hehe...

[davepeck]

hahaha...oh.  
<~~~lil\' ditsy :wave:

i know this is a little off topic, and probably "newbish" sounding, but why wouldn\'t they want to post on .info?  aren\'t they their own fans?  hehe...

a lot of posts from band members/affiliates usually defensive posts which show up in controversial topics like this one. it can be seen as unprofessional, and that they\'re probably better off just ignoring .info and let the fans be fans.

[stefpav]

oh...well that makes good sense.  thank you Mr. Peck  

[skalnbyc]

but why wouldn\'t they want to post on .info?  aren\'t they their own fans?  hehe...

They are RHCP fans.

Breakfast:  wait.who?

[delfunk1]

Without getting into my personal opinion.  The bottom line whether fans like or dislike the band better now without Jordan will speak with show attendance.  No matter how poorly marketed a show is, more so a local show if people are truly digging it they will find there way to the shows and tell other people to come too.  They have been playin this neck of the woods for the last 8 years, so if people are excited about the music they will come to the shows.  Most likely they are members of dot info or know someone who is.  Thats my opinion.

[Overexjoesure]

Everything is perfect the way it is.








































bring back Kote...

[FreeSpirit]

Greg, I agree with you that people who are FOR the Breakfast succeeding need to be more productive on this board, however, it is a PUBLIC message board.  Anyone on here wants the band to be the best it could be.  All criticism is meant to be HELPFUL for the band, not as an insult.  I think there are valid points on all sides of this issue... As long as we\'re all working for the good of the band, I don\'t see any valid point saying that certain people shouldn\'t be negative or unworthy of posting here.  If all you\'re going to do is "fluff" the band\'s ego, then the band cannot grow.  Personally, I stay out of it, since whatever the band is doing has seemed to work as of now, & they\'re continuing to experiment and grow as they take these new paths.  As Robert Frost has written, "I\'ve taken the road less traveled.  And that has made all the difference."

btw, excuse the grammar issues... it is 2am & I just got to the hotey in ithaca!

[peaches626]

lets see a setlist ,ya taint

^^^^^
please disregard and see the ithaca thread in the chase forum
thank you

[bdfreetuna]

well put Robyn.

Ellis-D your post was so weak I didn\'t even have to defend it.

Psychedelic Breakfast is still one of my all-time favorite bands. Just because I don\'t think they\'re good enough to warrant me spending $350 a month in gas money and bar tabs anymore doesn\'t mean I don\'t wish them the best.

Take off the blinders you get a broader perspective.

BTW... Umphreys McGee @ Calvin a couple weeks ago = best show I\'ve seen since The Breakfast @ Higher Ground last October or something...