Unreleased Jimmy Page Guitar Riff To Be Retrieved From Secret Vault

[leith]

Can I get the last 5 minutes of my life back?


Please?

No.

wtf~ they eventually used those artists, but like i said, zeppelin\'s most lasting contribution to music is its contribution to rap, not rock.

No it really isn\'t.

[Spacey]

just out of curiosity, Leith, what do you think is Zepplin\'s lasting contribution to music.
I am indifferent on them but this seems to be a good afternoon topic.

[leith]

just out of curiosity, Leith, what do you think is Zepplin\'s lasting contribution to music.
I am indifferent on them but this seems to be a good afternoon topic.

Well I believe their lasting contribution is influencing musicians in whatever genre much like another British group I am enamored with.

 Led Zeppelin places second only to the Beatles in terms of record sales, having sold 84 million units. Led Zeppelin IV is the fourth best-selling album in history, having sold more than 22 million copies, and four other albums by the band – Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin II, Houses of the Holy and Led Zeppelin - also rank among the all-time top 100 best-sellers.

Led Zeppelin is tied with the Beatles (five apiece) for the most albums on this list – a mark of both bands’ impact.

Led Zeppelin not only sold many albums but they advanced the stage show tenfold while they were around.
They were versatile in their arrangements of songs and made a point of improvising on stage which was a departure for "hard rock" acts of the day.

They intertwined non Western music into Rock like The Beatles and Plant\'s vocal stylings can be found in many a lead singer to this day.

The fact that people that were not even born or just born when Zep played their last show consistently rank them as the best rock band in many polls shows their influence as well.

I could go on and I do not contest that they influenced some DJ\'s in Rap in some way but find it ludicrous to believe they are more influential in Rap than in Rock.

[Gfunk]

I could go on and I do not contest that they influenced some DJ\'s in Rap in some way but find it ludicrous to believe they are more influential in Rap than in Rock.

Agreed.

[jocelyn]

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Well I believe their lasting contribution is influencing musicians in whatever genre much like another British group I am enamored with.

 Led Zeppelin places second only to the Beatles in terms of record sales, having sold 84 million units. Led Zeppelin IV is the fourth best-selling album in history, having sold more than 22 million copies, and four other albums by the band – Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin II, Houses of the Holy and Led Zeppelin - also rank among the all-time top 100 best-sellers.

Led Zeppelin is tied with the Beatles (five apiece) for the most albums on this list – a mark of both bands’ impact.

Led Zeppelin not only sold many albums but they advanced the stage show tenfold while they were around.
They were versatile in their arrangements of songs and made a point of improvising on stage which was a departure for "hard rock" acts of the day.

They intertwined non Western music into Rock like The Beatles and Plant\'s vocal stylings can be found in many a lead singer to this day.

The fact that people that were not even born or just born when Zep played their last show consistently rank them as the best rock band in many polls shows their influence as well.

I could go on and I do not contest that they influenced some DJ\'s in Rap in some way but find it ludicrous to believe they are more influential in Rap than in Rock.

Dude, I think he was asking for your opinion, not the opinion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.


Meanwhile, the Led Zeppelin legend endures and grows long after their demise, much like that of the Doors and Elvis Presley. The lingering appeal of Led Zeppelin is perhaps best summed up by guitarist Page: “Passion is the word....It was a very passionate band, and that’s really what comes through.” At the dawn of the new millennium, Led Zeppelin placed second only to the Beatles in terms of record sales, having sold 84 million units. Led Zeppelin IV is the fourth best-selling album in history, having sold more than 22 million copies, and four other albums by the band – Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin II, Houses of the Holy and Led Zeppelin - also rank among the all-time top 100 best-sellers. Fittingly, Led Zeppelin is tied with the Beatles (five apiece) for the most albums on that esteemed list – a mark of both bands’ impact. In their ceaseless determination to move music forward, Led Zeppelin carved out an indelible place in rock history.

http://www.rockhall.com/inductee/led-zeppelin

[jking]

ut they didn\'t change anything in rock. blues based rock groups were around before and after zeppelin. they made fans, but they didn\'t influence the music. with or without them, blues based would have been the same. an arguement could even be made that perhaps without them, blues rock could have evolved into something new, as opposed to their stealing old time songs and calling them their own new songs.

now, don\'t get me wrong, i LOVE zepp and hold them in the highest of regards. however, they did nothing revolutionary nor did they cause a revolution within blues-based rock. however, by providing that household-known drum beat of when the levee breaks, inner city kids heard it and started rappnig over it. from that sprang an entirely new, theretofore unheard of genre. that\'s influencial.

[Gfunk]

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Dude, I think he was asking for your opinion, not the opinion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Oh Snap! Exposed!

i can see what your sayin jking, but in my opinion, they wrote & performed some really influencial rock tunes. Bands have been recreating the zep sound ever since.

[jking]

they performed more influencial tunes than they wrote, but don\'t forget that while bands may be re-creating their sound, all they were doing was re-creating the sounds that had come before them. they did nothing that hadn\'t been done by someone before them. they are/were certainly popular and deserve every bit of that popularity, but really nothing they did spawned anything new. except for the drumbeats/rap thing. was\'t intentional by any means, but that\'s what happened.

[leith]

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Dude, I think he was asking for your opinion, not the opinion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.


Meanwhile, the Led Zeppelin legend endures and grows long after their demise, much like that of the Doors and Elvis Presley. The lingering appeal of Led Zeppelin is perhaps best summed up by guitarist Page: “Passion is the word....It was a very passionate band, and that’s really what comes through.” At the dawn of the new millennium, Led Zeppelin placed second only to the Beatles in terms of record sales, having sold 84 million units. Led Zeppelin IV is the fourth best-selling album in history, having sold more than 22 million copies, and four other albums by the band – Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin II, Houses of the Holy and Led Zeppelin - also rank among the all-time top 100 best-sellers. Fittingly, Led Zeppelin is tied with the Beatles (five apiece) for the most albums on that esteemed list – a mark of both bands’ impact. In their ceaseless determination to move music forward, Led Zeppelin carved out an indelible place in rock history.

http://www.rockhall.com/inductee/led-zeppelin

Yeah that is why I further solidified my point w/ the not only did they sell albums etc.
So nice try babe.

ut they didn\'t change anything in rock. blues based rock groups were around before and after zeppelin. they made fans, but they didn\'t influence the music. with or without them, blues based would have been the same. an arguement could even be made that perhaps without them, blues rock could have evolved into something new, as opposed to their stealing old time songs and calling them their own new songs.

now, don\'t get me wrong, i LOVE zepp and hold them in the highest of regards. however, they did nothing revolutionary nor did they cause a revolution within blues-based rock. however, by providing that household-known drum beat of when the levee breaks, inner city kids heard it and started rappnig over it. from that sprang an entirely new, theretofore unheard of genre. that\'s influencial.

You are so wrong it is not really worth continuing the debate. If you think they did nothing new you have not listened to much LIVE Zep. and/or do not hold them in the high regard you think you do.  They did not just play Blues based R&R. They did not just play stolen songs. Yes their reportroie has a bunch of recycled music but a majority of it is rather new and invigorating. That is why they remain popular. It is still so different than anything else.

They also played acoustically in a forum where it was blasphemy. Much like Dylan going electric @ a folkie fest. If that\'s not influential I do not know the meaning of the word.

Oh and  Herc, Grandmaster Melle Mel , Flash and many others have gone on record saying that many of the beats that formed early hip hop came from places like Black R&B ie. James Brown and from Jamacian music(reggae and variations of).

[jking]

yes, and herc, grandmaster flash et al are the second generation of rappers. and again, zepp did nothing that hadn\'t been done before. wild crazy loud expeimental blues rock guitar? hendrix. or do you want to go back to buddy guy or howlin wolf? hell, in his day, charlie christian was seen as a loud wild man... acoustic music during the 70\'s being played in an arena by a rock band? heart. yes, they came up with some good tunes, but to credit them as extending the genre of blues rock is silly. yes, they are very good. yes, i still love them, but hell, you like tlg and all they do is steal trey\'s old tone and play r&b tunes with it. you\'re not gonna try to tell me that they\'re innovators too, are you?

hendrix and beck did more to evolve the blues than page. what he did was introduce older music to newer fans. like clapton, brilliant guitarist - not an innovator.

[leith]

yes, and herc, grandmaster flash et al are the second generation of rappers. and again, zepp did nothing that hadn\'t been done before. wild crazy loud expeimental blues rock guitar? hendrix. or do you want to go back to buddy guy or howlin wolf? hell, in his day, charlie christian was seen as a loud wild man... acoustic music during the 70\'s being played in an arena by a rock band? heart. yes, they came up with some good tunes, but to credit them as extending the genre of blues rock is silly. yes, they are very good. yes, i still love them, but hell, you like tlg and all they do is steal trey\'s old tone and play r&b tunes with it. you\'re not gonna try to tell me that they\'re innovators too, are you?

hendrix and beck did more to evolve the blues than page. what he did was introduce older music to newer fans. like clapton, brilliant guitarist - not an innovator.

Well as i said before you are wrong and it\'s not worth the time.
Though I am interested in who you consider the 1st generation of rappers/Dj\'s if not who I posted.

Heart has said they wanted to be Zep so duh!! and Yes was Prog/Art rock @ the time and not in the same genre of Hard Rock Zep was. So those examples are null and void.

Oh and not to mention that anytime the evolution of Heavy Metal as a genre comes up Zep and Sabbath are the ones credited most of the time. If helping in the creation of a new genre of Rock is not influential I am lost.
Man here ya got me. It is too ez to pick apart your argument as it is so false.
I\'m done
You = Brick Wall and I\'m tired of banging my head.

Oh and as for your TLG comment no I do not consider them innovators in anyway. Not all bands have to be.

TLG is just fine as a kick ass rock band that is helping to carry the torch of the San Francisco sound that spawned a musical/cultural movement.

Oh and obviously you have not listened to TLG in awhile as Josh has developed his own tone/sound and bustin\' out the Trey vibe is now a treat, not just all he can do.

[jocelyn]

Well it\'s still plagiarism! I\'m reporting you to the principal!

[leith]

Well it\'s still plagiarism! I\'m reporting you to the principal!

:lol: Yeah OK I didn\'t realize .info had a cite source policy.
I have used the quote in other debates about Zep so had it handy is all. The way it was written grates on me so I omitted some of the drivel.

[jocelyn]

The only reason I even noticed was because it seemed so different from your usual writing style.

[leith]

There ya go.