soo keyboardist?

[leith]

i hear what everyone is saying, and it just comes to down to opinion. ive said it before, theyre still my favorite band but i do prefer them with jordan. im not going to lie and act like this change makes them a better band (imo), lay down and slide off my knee-pads before bed that say "your welcome T.B.". im just talking about how i feel about it, i know it doesnt pull any weight or really mean anything. and leith, ive never met you, and i definitely agree with you about a lot of things youve posted, but you become the whiniest most defensive bitch in so many threads. sorry bro, im sure we\'d get along just fine, but id have to slap you around every once in awhile to put your permanent period in check.

Yeah well the difference between you and I on this seems to be I have more of a penchant for :banghead: when it comes to how I feel about this band and expressing those views on a board where most think this band can do know wrong no matter what is played for them.

[FreeSpirit]

Yeah well the difference between you and I on this seems to be I have more of a penchant for :banghead: when it comes to how I feel about this band and expressing those views on a board where most think this band can do know wrong no matter what is played for them.

and, who knows the difference between NO and knowledge too!....

[derickw]

i personally like when they just fart in the microphone........

I\'m sure people have some sort of comment about the way certain things happen. the difference is bitching about not having a keyboard player and more relevant issues is that we as fans might be able to influence the other things. no matter how much you complain it\'s NOT gonna happen unless the band wants it to happen

[Me!]

I watched Swingers last night, and there was a line in it that made me think about this whole thing.

You\'re so busy focusing on all the shit you don\'t have that you\'re forgeting about all the good shit you do have (not verbatim)

that\'s just like my opinion man.

[Igziabeher]

Yeah well the difference between you and I on this seems to be I have more of a penchant for :banghead: when it comes to how I feel about this band and expressing those views on a board where most think this band can do know wrong no matter what is played for them.

have they played a shitty show since jordan left?  when they start doing me wrong, then i\'ll let them KNOW, but until then, they\'ve treated me well and i can\'t complain.  the fact is you sit there on the west coast and have your head up your ass while your banging it against said wall.  most people over here deal w/ this band on a week to week if not day to day basis, so we know what goes down when and where, and what they\'re doing right and what they\'re doing wrong.  

you act like they can\'t take criticism or something either.  thats so not true.  they are always open to our opinions on any matter that the band deals w/.  for instance, after the indiana show(total dooze) this summer, we suggested to tim that he switched sides w/ adrian so that the keys weren\'t blocking him from the other two members of the band, and isolating him on the corner of the stage, almost away from the audience.  guess what changed next time i saw them?  tim was on the left and the 3 band members had a clear view of eachother throughout the show, \'cept for when tim has to turn his back to get full on the keys.

so yes, they can do wrong, and yes we let them know when they do, whether or not you know it to be true.  and yes they take our advice when it makes sense.

[freddiewaht]

amen to that..

[citroen]

It\'s a fansite dumbass. I feel they were better and do not see them "making it" just because "they rock so much harder as a trio" pfffft!!!

What does pfffft mean?  Do you pronounce it Pa Foot?  As a New Englander, I just don\'t understand your SoCal Bill & Ted language.  I do like it when you people say " killer" and "fur sure".  Maybe I need to spend some time in San Dimas to fully understand it.

[leith]

What does pfffft mean?  Do you pronounce it Pa Foot?  As a New Englander, I just don\'t understand your SoCal Bill & Ted language.  I do like it when you people say " killer" and "fur sure".  Maybe I need to spend some time in San Dimas to fully understand it.

Why do you even post on this board?

have they played a shitty show since jordan left?  when they start doing me wrong, then i\'ll let them KNOW, but until then, they\'ve treated me well and i can\'t complain.  the fact is you sit there on the west coast and have your head up your ass while your banging it against said wall.  most people over here deal w/ this band on a week to week if not day to day basis, so we know what goes down when and where, and what they\'re doing right and what they\'re doing wrong.  

you act like they can\'t take criticism or something either.  thats so not true.  they are always open to our opinions on any matter that the band deals w/.  for instance, after the indiana show(total dooze) this summer, we suggested to tim that he switched sides w/ adrian so that the keys weren\'t blocking him from the other two members of the band, and isolating him on the corner of the stage, almost away from the audience.  guess what changed next time i saw them?  tim was on the left and the 3 band members had a clear view of eachother throughout the show, \'cept for when tim has to turn his back to get full on the keys.

so yes, they can do wrong, and yes we let them know when they do, whether or not you know it to be true.  and yes they take our advice when it makes sense.

Yeah they really take critiscm(sp?) well. That is totally laughable and I could list numerous examples that the band got butt hurt by critiscm.
Oh and I think Tim would have figured out the whole keyboard placement thing w/o your help. Really he would have.

[Klout]

Okay I have not seen them live yet with just three. My last show was also Jordans last show at Beardslee.

From what I have heard on disc...TO ME it sounds more rocking yes... but also more hollow and empty. Just not a full enough sound to keep me captivated.

I guess I will just have to wait and see what i think live and report back.

But anybody who is ruling out a new keyboardist because..."No keyboardist could fit in with the trio" or "No one could keep up" or "There\'s no one who could learn all the songs and changes" or "nobody could have good chemistry with the trio".... I think you are all  totally crazy!

Look how Jeremy Wall ROCKED it with them, even stole the show!,  from DAY 1, EVERYTIME he sat in, without knowing any of thier songs or changes or anything. He was just a good musician with a passion for good tunes so he gelled which is just exactly how it works with great musicians.

Granted JWall is the man and Grammy Award winning Proffesor of Funk...but I think there are at least dozens, if not hundreds of people out there in this vast world of ours that could do more than keep up and would actually be a great fit and addittion for the breakfast. It is also very probable, almost definite, that none of them are in the very shallow pool of talent known as the \'jam band scene\'.   So maybe its going to take some time and some broader searching and thinking outside the box... but I do personally hope that the right person for the job comes along eventually and complete the sound once more.
 
I\'d would also like to say that I am VERY happy to see from reading this thread that the majority of fans are still very happy with the shows and not let down by the new soumd. No one really knew what would happen after Jordan left. Jordan WAS a HUGE part of the breakfast and it could have very easily just totally flopped without him and been the end of the breakfast altogether which is EXACTLY what happened with Rezi and I am sure many other bands. So I am quite pleased they are going on well without him and keeping the fan base and themselves happy and entertained.

BUT, on that note, I would also like to add that the fact that they sound great now does not mean they sound better than they ever did with Jordon nor better than they ever would with a new keyboardist.

In conclusion, just for the sake of not getting chewed out by Team Groupie I will say that I might completely change my OPINION on this matter after I see them live   But I doubt it

[jocelyn]

Well put.

[skalnbyc]

Klout, where have you been for the lasy half year?

[Rujah]

gotta agree with klout on this one, after seeing them FINALLY for the first time as a trio, they are definitely more rocking but I do think a keyboardist could fit in nicely with them and no doubt would probably be a welcome addition to the other band members. the only problem i have is I wouldnt be rushing in one so quick.

on a side note, i am down in orlando for the next week and a half so i have been handing out a few copies of moxie epoxy as well as playing it at my bros place.  i was going to hand out  some at the tlg and galactic show at hard rock but for some reason the show got canceled but I can male some live shows from archives.  we\'ll see how that goes.

[Jim Cobb]

i must say, i agree as well.  to say that no one could ever click with these guys or keep up or whatever is very arrogant and narrow minded.  just my two cents.

these guys are gonna do what they want to do regardless of what i post on a messageboard, which is why i haven\'t really commented much on this subject.

in my opinion, i miss the organ.  it was such a huge part of the band\'s sound and really helped to fill in an important part of the sonic spectrum.  many bands can get by easily and very successfully without keys, but when you\'ve established your sound for 7+ years as having that organ there, this is a big change.  much bigger than a lot of people on here really acknowledge.  even if the band was huge already and even had a couple really successful albums out, i\'d STILL think losing such an integral part of the sound would be a very risky move.  basically, this is like trying to start at square one again.  you\'re introducing a totally reconstructed sound.  it might not be what many of your fans came to see originally.  some fans may totally dig it.  i think it\'s a really risky move.  i\'m not saying it\'ll never work.  not at all.  but it does certainly have the potential to really cause the band to hit a wall professionally.

frankly, i think what this band needs goes way beyond arrangement issues.  i think (i stress that this is only what i conclude from my own perception of the music/attitude) that this band has yet to find a point of view.  something makes me think that they haven\'t really dug deep and found what their truth is.  sometimes i feel like they just don\'t have something they need to say.  yes they are fucking amazing musicians and i love to go see them play to enjoy their chops, but the general public usually wants to hear music that is communicating something to them.  communicating some sort of deep root/truth that the artist needs to convey.  i\'ve had many moments at shows where i\'ve really stopped and wondered if those guys were really trying to say anything to me at all.  a band is a person, and that person needs to have a point of view.  that is what seperates bands that are just a bunch of guys/gals who like to make good music and bands that really connect to their listeners and have real staying power.  that point of view/truth will certainly change as a band evolves but the artist needs to be tapped into that and aware of it at all times.  this is just based on my own observation of the history of the music business and my direct experience with the modern, dying music industry.

i\'m sure many of you will argue that this band does have a point of view, but it\'s apparent to me that they\'re not digging deep enough to really say something that draws listeners in.

[/stream of consciousness rant]

[OMS]

^^ very interesting point cobb, ive stated numerous times in this thread that i too enjoy their sound more with jordan, (or at least another keyboardist) but never really thought of that.  i guess i never thought of the breakfast as a band that really had a point (in the best way possible).  i think there are bands i listen to who make points or have a certain direction to go in, and i guess i always listened to the breakfast because of the incredible talent in the band.  

i can see what your saying on how the music is almost misdirected.  again i love seeing this band almost more than any band around because i see them all as talented musicians with incredible composition skill and improvisation skill. but then again i too have that feeling of "do they have a point?" once in a while, just not really in that way.  

all i know is that the band does it for me in many ways and i want for them what makes them sound the best (and ofcourse what their preference is).  i personally think that they had a fuller sound prior to jordans departure, however, i have seen them numerous times post-jordan and have a had a great time.  i dont really know what the best alternative for the band is or if there should really be a different alternative, but i guess well see

[FrankZappa]

i\'m sure many of you will argue that this band does have a point of view, but it\'s apparent to me that they\'re not digging deep enough to really say something that draws listeners in.

[/stream of consciousness rant]

I\'m not agreeing or disagreeing, but I just wonder what your take is on a band that is all instrumental, like a jazz group or classical composer? The way you wrote it, there needs to be lyrics that are expressing a view. Can\'t the band stand on instrumental prowess alone? If not, what would your take on miles davis be? He never sang, so did he have \'something to say\'? Remember that the first time Rite of spring was preformed live a riot broke out. I think that the jams themselves state what the band is saying and they definitely dig deep enough. You may not like some of the songs as far as lyrics or chord progressions, but I think the composition skills and what they do with them live is what the band is saying.