setlist notation petition...

[zuke583]

so we can assume that in the following set contained zero jamming?

I: Garcian Fishbowl > Inner Glimpse > Garcian Fishbowl, Wake Up In A Coma > No Regret > Merge > Space Oddity > Tricky Ways, Psygn

the composed section of WUIAC led directly into the composed section of no regret, which led directly into the composed section of merge, which led...

do you see where i\'m going with this?

[Me!]

so we can assume that in the following set contained zero jamming?

I: Garcian Fishbowl > Inner Glimpse > Garcian Fishbowl, Wake Up In A Coma > No Regret > Merge > Space Oddity > Tricky Ways, Psygn

the composed section of WUIAC led directly into the composed section of no regret, which led directly into the composed section of merge, which led...

do you see where i\'m going with this?

yes but, how do I put this lightly :chin:



you\'re wrong.


When something on a setlist is marked as "jam" it is a jam outside of the song. The songs have sections written in as jam sections, that would not be marked on a setlist.  BUT, if the song is over, the written part of the song has been finished, and they drag it out into a "jam" but it\'s not technically another song yet, that is a jam.  You wouldn\'t be writting Buquebus>jam>Buquebus, yes that would be redundant.  but jam>Queeb, is another thing.

[SlimPickens]

yes but, how so I put this lightly :chin:



you\'re wrong.

:slap: :lol:

[Spacey]

I have always used ">" to dictate when one song ended and the other song began and always used "->" to dictate when a song ended but was jammed into another song.

so we can assume that in the following set contained zero jamming?

I: Garcian Fishbowl > Inner Glimpse > Garcian Fishbowl, Wake Up In A Coma > No Regret > Merge > Space Oddity > Tricky Ways, Psygn

the composed section of WUIAC led directly into the composed section of no regret, which led directly into the composed section of merge, which led...

do you see where i\'m going with this?

One could look at this setlist and say that there was no jamming but that doesn\'t mean non of the songs were jammed out. When I read this setlist I could say that all of them were segued together and not jammed into one another but knowing the band, I know different.

[obsession600]

Pluto lost its planet status.
Space City Affair might lose its song status.

What is the world coming to?

I agree with Spacey, if the jam starts a set or starts after the clear ending of the previous song then it should be noted.

[davepeck]

because listing dig > jam > merge is generic and redundant. I have never seen a bands setlist list jam as much as the breakfast. why not write it dig -> merge.

i dunno.. i don\'t think it\'s generic OR redundant.. i mean, one of the arguments for the "non-jam" side was that it\'s supposedly confusing.. if you ask me, it\'s more confusing for someone to know a) what the difference is between -> and >, and b) that there even IS a difference between -> and >.

"DUDE, the jam between Dig and Merge was FUCKIN EPIC!!!!"

^^ i like having the option to skip right to it on the disc.. the song Dig ends with a hold out of the word "more....", and we all know how Merge starts. while there was never any silence between the last note of Dig and the beginning of the jam, the jam is a section of neither one of the songs, so it gets it\'s own label.

[Spacey]

I can definitely understand what you are saying. I guess it comes down to preference. While I don\'t think it makes any real difference in the way setlists are officially kept or posted. There most certainly is a difference between -> and >. Since I based most of the musical setlists I have taken off of Phish setlists, I have always known the difference between -> and >.

Its no big deal, just a way to kill time.

[bdfreetuna]

Well, Breakfast does do a whole lot more jamming outside of actual songs than Phish ever did.

maybe that\'s why there\'s more "jam"s

Phish "jams" that were actual jams not contained in songs were so rare that typically they\'d do quite a long jam and then often that jam would get named on the setlist something like "Great Woods jam" or something  (too lazy to look up actual examples)

Personally I think its pretty sweet looking at Breakfast setlists and seeing frequent "jams" between songs... I think it accurately represents the fact that nobody jams outta nowhere more than these guys.

Lets just say if I was looking at setlists of bands I had no clue about I would def be checking out some Breakfast just by virtue of all the jams

[FrankZappa]

so, I\'m confused - what the hell does keeping a setlist have to do with jelly?


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[Ant-Man]

ya I still think these jams definatly deserve some sort of labeling on the setlist, weather denoted by \'->\' (as spacey said) or the word \'jam\'...

[Jim Cobb]

who cares?

[Todd]

who cares?

What\'s the update on the price of tea in China???

[Wolfman]

who cares?

Ummm...everyone who tapes, trades, or owns shows?  This is serious stuff.  Taping and trading and undersatnding your boots takes a lot of work and is of critical importance to jam music.  I give major credit to everyone discussing this, regardless of which sides they\'re on.

For those who want to see the greatest setlist notation in Breakfast history, or actually in the history of music, click here http://www.thebreakfast.info/modules.php?name=Reviews&file=viewarticle&id=67

[Whathefunk]

who cares?

Ummm...everyone who tapes, trades, or owns shows?  This is serious stuff.  Taping and trading and undersatnding your boots takes a lot of work and is of critical importance to jam music.  I give major credit to everyone discussing this, regardless of which sides they\'re on.

For those who want to see the greatest setlist notation in Breakfast history, or actually in the history of music, click here http://www.thebreakfast.info/modules.php?name=Reviews&file=viewarticle&id=67

^^^wow never knew they played the Long Hollow Bison Farm, seems like a weird place for a show... but damn do i wish i was there.

[jason-a]

Hmm..... , what a question to ponder. I myself as being a taper and a huge pusher of burning discs for people (with setlists).I do give a shit about trying to spread this bands music so it is a big deal. Lets face it how do bands like this get a following?? Through the music and word of mouth.
 This is how I have always felt about it..........
1. how do we know the song, what I mean by this, Is the song on an album, does the jam exist as the actual part of the song? If so it does not need to be labeled
2. now if the song as we know it is changed a part that comes accross is different, the end, the beg, a section, a tempo change, a jam notation is needed. Do not read into this too much one could argue this with many more jam notations.( not sure if I came accross correctly on this)
There have been times I have questioned the notation of a jam. I suppose I feel this way because they are a jam band and anyone listening to them if you know them or not should expect to hear long songs.
Some examples of notions
3-10-05 on the setlist E. jam>no glove no love
this should not be noted, no jam at all.
4-21-05 on the setlist mooboo\'s voodoo>jam>what the funk
now here is where I would almost dare to say a personal opinion.
I would expect mooboo\'s to have jam section, I know it does not always go this way(reason for notion) but I feel it does not need to have jam in the middle because of the segue into what the funk, I know from jam bands that with that (>) is somekind of transition that most likely has a jam in it. listen to this section if anyone can. I never feel mooboos has ended until when what the funk starts. The feel for the song is still there. This is what they do.
Lastly which I could ramble forever this is just to make up for my extremely long refrain from posting.
I agree with jeff and how he explained the before and after sections of labeling jam using phish examples.
I also feel that in the overall scope of things the selists are very acurate. I just spent quite some time compareing setlists to cd\'s I have and found all were correct after trying to find a flaw.
this just means only one thing............................
keep it the way it is.