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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2006, 09:21:31 pm »
Leith you aren\'t getting what I am saying, they have been getting more and more electronic with Jordan too.  You are blindly just sticking with your belief that the band is somehow at a disadvantage w/o Jordo.  You made such a point of things going downhill and being aomehow bad w/o Jordan w/o hearing a note.  All genres of music are feeling the effects of electronic technology which is opening up doors to newer sounds that all bands are taking advantage of.

This is my point about the "Jams" being listed.  It is redundant, period.  They are a jamband!!!  The people who are looking for setlists will get the fact that there was a jam or segue when they see a ">".  If there is a jam that comes out of a song moves out of the song, yes it is improvised but that is the point.  Unless it is a jam based around an actual theme that is recognizable, it is just a transition jam...that is what this band does.  Look at the old setlists; are you trying to tell me that they never "jammed" from one song to another, it was all just drops into songs w/o stopping???  Like I said, until recently, these were not noted...UNLESS there was an actual reason that stuck out to make it a mentionable jam...something that wasn\'t just improvisation.  Even when they drop into other songs without real smooth segues there is somewhat of a "jam"...they don\'t hit said end of song every time and just hit the 1st note of the next song.  Why isn;t there a listing of "Jam" after every ">" then?  Pec you are the archivist and it all comes down to what you think, but I just was curious, it seems like it would make things cleaner and it would make those jams worth noting seem even more important.

And to start a set with a random "jam" that has nothing to do with the song it is going into is a different story all together.  If they are in a jam and then drop into a diff key for the song, then of course it should be listed as Jam ->Song A.  But when a jam evolves out of a song into another it is just a transition into another song, that is what this band is about.  I just think we should have stuck with the same way of writing setlists that had been being used.
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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2006, 10:01:59 pm »
" > " does not mean implied jam, it just means one song segued into the other. If they stop playing in between, it gets a comma " , ". Segues can occur without improvised "jams" if its just a quick smooth transition without stopping. There is a difference, and the band does both (actually all three, sometimes they actually stop, but rarely hehe), so its important to differentiate  :)

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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2006, 10:11:19 pm »
Leave it to us tapers to make the important decisions ;)

you guys just sit back and enjoy the show :)
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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2006, 10:21:36 pm »
Having the privilege of getting most of the setlists from the band prior to them going on stage, I would have to say...ask the band. Maybe I\'m wrong??? (I think I may have been once or twice ;)) I mean, they write the setlists with only "," or ">". Only a handful of times have I seen a "jam" listed. And when it is, it\'s a monster of a jam!! This band, like many others, is all about improvisation. Many times, they are part way through a written setlist and because of where they are and what they are feeling, they scrap the written setlist and play on a whim.

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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2006, 10:23:47 pm »
Oh....and btw....does it really affect the price of tea in China?
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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2006, 10:30:08 pm »
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Oh....and btw....does it really affect the price of tea in China?


it must its already > $.02

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« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2006, 10:30:56 pm »
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Leith you aren\'t getting what I am saying, they have been getting more and more electronic with Jordan too.  You are blindly just sticking with your belief that the band is somehow at a disadvantage w/o Jordo.  You made such a point of things going downhill and being aomehow bad w/o Jordan w/o hearing a note.  All genres of music are feeling the effects of electronic technology which is opening up doors to newer sounds that all bands are taking advantage of.


I never felt they were getting more electronic but it\'s not an issue to argue.

However, I was initially despondent about how things would sound w/o Jordan yes but I also posted quite frequently that as a trio they would still be a force to reckon with. I just did not care for it @ the time and still don\'t fully love the new sound. I have heard every show that has been released and have the Daniel St. show on my comp. and then last night.

Last night was a different sound than I had been hearing from them. I did find myself kinda bored w/ some of it but there were parts that yes blew me away.
That is the difference for me. With Jordan in the band I was never bored. Yeah I have only 20 shows under my belt so that could be it but that\'s how I feel.
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« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2006, 11:31:33 pm »
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Having the privilege of getting most of the setlists from the band prior to them going on stage, I would have to say...ask the band. Maybe I\'m wrong??? (I think I may have been once or twice ;)) I mean, they write the setlists with only "," or ">". Only a handful of times have I seen a "jam" listed. And when it is, it\'s a monster of a jam!! This band, like many others, is all about improvisation. Many times, they are part way through a written setlist and because of where they are and what they are feeling, they scrap the written setlist and play on a whim.

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he makes a great point here.  also a lot of the segues aren\'t even predetermined, just winged,  i love to see the interaction between the 3 when they\'re about to switch it up, good shit right there.

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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2006, 11:33:02 pm »
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I never felt they were getting more electronic but it\'s not an issue to argue.

However, I was initially despondent about how things would sound w/o Jordan yes but I also posted quite frequently that as a trio they would still be a force to reckon with. I just did not care for it @ the time and still don\'t fully love the new sound. I have heard every show that has been released and have the Daniel St. show on my comp. and then last night.

Last night was a different sound than I had been hearing from them. I did find myself kinda bored w/ some of it but there were parts that yes blew me away.
That is the difference for me. With Jordan in the band I was never bored. Yeah I have only 20 shows under my belt so that could be it but that\'s how I feel.

Just you wait until you can experience "the force"....first hand...then we\'ll talk!! ;)
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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2006, 11:38:59 pm »
"That is the difference for me. With Jordan in the band I was never bored. Yeah I have only 20 shows under my belt so that could be it but that\'s how I feel."

see, my boredom ratio has stayed pretty consistant.  some things have gotten better "heather" some seem lacking a bit "drunk monk, beef barley", but overly its still rock and roll to me.  and what has amazed me about them still does.

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« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2006, 11:39:15 pm »
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i love to see the interaction between the 3 when they\'re about to switch it up, good shit right there.

I absolutely love it also! As a photgrapher, it\'s my job to watch for this and when it happens...it makes for some of the best emotionally filled photos!!!!!
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« Reply #41 on: October 03, 2006, 11:43:19 pm »
On the "jam >" issue:

The point is that there was a jam, not whether it was planned or not.  I assume that most teases aren\'t planned either.  The "Honey Butter > Hard Luck Harry" change from last night did not have a jam.  If you were to assume a jam in between, you would be wrong.  Mid-song jams should not be noted.  Jams after a song distinctly ends or before it distinctly begins should be.  Take "May Fly".  The "Ahoy!" is pretty rigidly written, at least as far as Breakfast tunes go.

"Ahoy! > Mooboo"  We all can hear that in our heads
"Ahoy! > jam > Mooboo" Who knows for sure what that sounds like?
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« Reply #42 on: October 03, 2006, 11:53:13 pm »
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With Jordan in the band I was never bored.


ALL bands bore me from time to time. It\'s a fact of life if you\'ve come to a point where, you know music pretty well, have a deep appreciation for it and know what you like and what you don\'t!!!! To say you were NEVER bored with Jordan in the band....come on!! I\'m calling the Shenanigans Police right now! Admit it, PB down right SUCKED at times...even with Jordan! ;) Come on, you know you can do it!! :D

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« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2006, 01:02:47 am »
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2006-10-02

Shag
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Source: Webcast > Waveterminal 192X >COAX >Sony A7> Optical >iriver h120 (16/44.1)
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set 1
01] Gravity (incomplete only last 3min or so) >
02] Wake Up In A Coma >
03] Future Peek >
04] jam > Merge* >
05] Surreal Radio
06] Fearless** >
07] LDZ
08] jam > Sundance^

Set 2
01] Honey Butter >
02] Hard Luck Harry >
03] Honey Butter
04] Dimension 5
05] The Late And The Great >
06] Over Exposure

* with \'Electric Funeral\' (Black Sabbath) tease.
** last played 03/25/04.
^ with \'Norwegian Wood\' (The Beatles) tease.
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« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2006, 01:37:03 am »
Thanks Mike!!!
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