Setlist: 2006-04-28 - House Of Blues; Chicago, IL

[FrankZappa]

I\'ve got to dissagree with some of you here. I can understand trying to make it with the main stream, and if it is something the band is trying to do that is fine. However, Imagine any of these situations:

"Hey Beatles, this rock and roll thing is on it\'s way out and no one likes it - the people who like you are just a couple of kids that won\'t amount to anything. Try some polkas if you really want to make it. That\'s what people like these days."
"Hey Grateful Dead, no one likes this long jamming thing. Play some 3 minute pop music or you\'ll never get anywhere."
"Hey Nirvana, I can\'t understand your lyrics. Also, your gutarist sucks. Play some real music, like the album RATT just put out. Now that\'s a good band."
"Hey Metallica, your too fast. If you want people to listen to you, slow down."
"Hey Breakfast, your too fast. If you want people to listen to you, slow down."



my 2cents.

[derickw]

I\'ve got to dissagree with some of you here. I can understand trying to make it with the main stream, and if it is something the band is trying to do that is fine. However, Imagine any of these situations:

"Hey Beatles, this rock and roll thing is on it\'s way out and no one likes it - the people who like you are just a couple of kids that won\'t amount to anything. Try some polkas if you really want to make it. That\'s what people like these days."
"Hey Grateful Dead, no one likes this long jamming thing. Play some 3 minute pop music or you\'ll never get anywhere."
"Hey Nirvana, I can\'t understand your lyrics. Also, your gutarist sucks. Play some real music, like the album RATT just put out. Now that\'s a good band."
"Hey Metallica, your too fast. If you want people to listen to you, slow down."
"Hey Breakfast, your too fast. If you want people to listen to you, slow down."



my 2cents.

so now Metallica= the Breakfast...... give us a Ride the Lighting

[kindm's]

I\'ve got to dissagree with some of you here. I can understand trying to make it with the main stream, and if it is something the band is trying to do that is fine. However, Imagine any of these situations:

"Hey Beatles, this rock and roll thing is on it\'s way out and no one likes it - the people who like you are just a couple of kids that won\'t amount to anything. Try some polkas if you really want to make it. That\'s what people like these days."
"Hey Grateful Dead, no one likes this long jamming thing. Play some 3 minute pop music or you\'ll never get anywhere."
"Hey Nirvana, I can\'t understand your lyrics. Also, your gutarist sucks. Play some real music, like the album RATT just put out. Now that\'s a good band."
"Hey Metallica, your too fast. If you want people to listen to you, slow down."
"Hey Breakfast, your too fast. If you want people to listen to you, slow down."



my 2cents.

Beatles were a POP band before they got heady.

Grateful Dead is the only band in this list that proves your point

Nirvana had almost overnight success and were very marketable to the era. grunge was becoming the \'in\' thing in the early 90\'s. If cobain hadn\'t killed himself they would have faded into obscurity.

Metallica. basically sold out to become mega-superstars. Ride the lightening, Killem all, Master of Puppets, all were strictly geared for metal heads. the black album and everything since geared towards MTV crowd with a hint of metal

[derickw]

^^^ I\'d have to disagree with you Kindm. all well except for Metallica were pioneers in there gene of music. noone played anything like there sound those few bands paved the way for everyone else to copy.

[leith]

^^^ I\'d have to disagree with you Kindm. all well except for Metallica were pioneers in there gene of music. noone played anything like there sound those few bands paved the way for everyone else to copy.

uh and The Breakfast are pioneers of what genre of music?
I mean they are the most original band in this scene to us but if you listen to them from an unbiased point and it is obvious they are following a pattern musically set by Frank Zappa and building a fanbase ala Phish.

This band is good but by no means in the catagory of The Beatles or Grateful Dead.

YET!

[derickw]

^^^ I\'d have to disagree with you Kindm. all well except for Metallica were pioneers in there gene of music. noone played anything like there sound those few bands paved the way for everyone else to copy.

uh and The Breakfast are pioneers of what genre of music?
I mean they are the most original band in this scene to us but if you listen to them from an unbiased point and it is obvious they are following a pattern musically set by Frank Zappa and building a fanbase ala Phish.

This band is good but by no means in the catagory of The Beatles or Grateful Dead.

YET!

I made no reference to the Breakfast in my post. i was just disputing Kindm\'s theory

^^^ I\'d have to disagree with you Kindm. all well except for Metallica were pioneers in there gene of music. noone played anything like there sound those few bands paved the way for everyone else to copy.

uh and The Breakfast are pioneers of what genre of music?
I mean they are the most original band in this scene to us but if you listen to them from an unbiased point and it is obvious they are following a pattern musically set by Frank Zappa and building a fanbase ala Phish.

This band is good but by no means in the catagory of The Beatles or Grateful Dead.

YET!

and i don\'t know about the Zappa pattern theory, Zappa was more comic story telling balls to the wall music. i personally don\'t think..... lyrically that analogy fits maybe musically

I made no reference to the Breakfast in my post. i was just disputing Kindm\'s theory

[leith]

^^^ I\'d have to disagree with you Kindm. all well except for Metallica were pioneers in there gene of music. noone played anything like there sound those few bands paved the way for everyone else to copy.

uh and The Breakfast are pioneers of what genre of music?
I mean they are the most original band in this scene to us but if you listen to them from an unbiased point and it is obvious they are following a pattern musically set by Frank Zappa and building a fanbase ala Phish.

This band is good but by no means in the catagory of The Beatles or Grateful Dead.

YET!

I made no reference to the Breakfast in my post. i was just disputing Kindm\'s theory


and i don\'t know about the Zappa pattern theory, Zappa was more comic story telling balls to the wall music. i personally don\'t think..... lyrically that analogy fits maybe musically

ahh I see.
Yeah The Breakfast are following Zappa\'s model to a certain degree. It has been mentioned before in the way they approach their music and shows. Makes sense.

[FrankZappa]

I was implying metallica at the begining around kill em\' all. I should have thought about post black album before writting that.

[kindm's]

^^^ I\'d have to disagree with you Kindm. all well except for Metallica were pioneers in there gene of music. noone played anything like there sound those few bands paved the way for everyone else to copy.

What theory would that be?

I was commenting on frankzappa\'s post about going mainstream and the bands he mentioned.

The beatles were a pop band before they went off on the musical exploration they are known for today.

Nirvana might have been pioneers of grunge but they had "mainstream" success very quickly.

Metallica had mainstream success with albums like the \'black\' album etc etc
it took them longer to break through probably because it was metal. Metal was huge in the late 80\'s and then focus changed to grunge then to hiphop where it has basically stayed with the exceptions of booty shaking half shirt wearing hotties

Grateful Dead were never successful in the mainstream. They were the highest grossing tour almost every year but \'mainstream\' america didn\'t have anytHing to do with that.

If you want to discuss wether they were pioneers of their genres it might hold more weight but the Grateful Dead were/are an extension of Americana, of old blue grass standards of delta blues and etc etc. There business model and ways of doing things were pioneering. The technical leaps that the industry took and technologies invented can be directly attributed to the Grateful Dead and their crew. So in that respect they were pioneers

Metallica specifically james Hetfield basically sings identical to Glenn Danzig. that \'ahhhra\' at the end of everything he sings is Glenn Danzig. I love Metallica. Probably in the top 5 bands I have seen live. They bring it for sure. (this was in 1992)

I was commenting on "mainstream" success

[derickw]

i guess they weren\'t theories just the analogize used. though the Beatles were pop they brought it to a whole new level as far as the business aspect of it goes before they went off, i think since they were so popular/ successful it kind of gave them the leeway to try something different. Nirvana brought metal to whole new level feeding the American youths desire to rebel and creating a counter culture revolved around those beliefs. I was never really into Danzig so i can\'t comment on the chicken or the egg portion of that, but i was into Metallica who i feel opened metal up and brought it to a whole new level right up until they sold out on the Black album. and the Grateful Dead well.... they might have been a blend of a bunch of different genres but they created there own from that blend. i think these bands all came from a particular genera but by being different and concentrating on doing there own thing and not listening to the Billboard top 50 expanded and created there own genre.

all in all i think we are saying the same thing but got to the point by different means.

[FrankZappa]

all in all i think we are saying the same thing but got to the point by different means.

:that: thanks derick! I didn\'t think anyone was getting the point I was trying to make. Well said.

[kindm's]

well atleast we can all get together and listen to great music. metallica, the beatles, Grateful Dead, The Breakfast those are some nice choices for music IMHO

so whens the party ?

[FrankZappa]

you bring the pizza and some cash, I\'ll get the music and adrian. That\'s all you need for a slapping good time!

[Todd]

you bring the pizza and some cash, I\'ll get the music and adrian. That\'s all you need for a slapping good time!

rotfl:lol:rotfl I think the next Hotel TKA is going to be a pizza party!!!!

[Gordo]

The Breakfast is by far my favorite band. I\'d love to see Tim slow down some more, draw out notes a little more often. dont get me wrong, his runs are absolutely sick and no doubt what separates him, but id have no problems waiting just a little longer for those back-breaking moments. theyd have more substance in the long run, instead of being one in a billion.

at the same time, who gives a fuck.. there are four reasons they rock my nuts off, and the guitar is one. as long as they stay together and keep loving music, ill be there loving their music.