Just why is the crowd so important to some Breakfast fans?

[leith]

I have said before I could care less what the crowd is doing as I am up front and there for the music first and foremost and to get my dance on.

I find it ridiculous to gauge crowd reaction and determine if a show was hot or not.
I usually listen to a show to determine that.
I mean if the crowd is not into a show I can understand a band may play @ a lesser level, if that band sucked!

A band like The Breakfast does not need the help of the crowd to get casual fans into their show.

Yeah I can see how the energy can help amplify the band\'s feelings of
euphoria from playing and thus give the appearance of something significant happening, but I don\'t see how if that energy is absent yet the music is still raging how a casual fan would still not be enthralled.

I understand sometimes a rowdy crowd is fun, sometimes it can get nasty depending on venue size, rudeness, alcohol etc.

It seems to me from reading post-show posts if the crowd was not jumping up and down from start to finish the show recieves poorer reviews.
I listen to some of these shows and wonder just what the hell the posters were thinking.

[Lexington]

like you said, the main effects of a raging crowd are pretty much the reciprocation of energy back to the band.  when there are a bunch of people gettin down, it adds to the total energy of the show, including the energy put out by the musicians.  but a sick show is independent of a raging crowd, the enthusiasm of the fans just helps.  i mean, imagine if no one started jumping around during taboo or not taboot? i think it would be awkward

[sallyalli]

My observation is that the band feeds off the energy of the crowd. They play a killer show no matter what...but maybe what makes the really fucking special shows is the amount of excitement the band gets from the audience. Thats just what i perceive when timmy or ron look at the people going crazy and get big smiles on their faces and get excited themselves.

[Klout]

the crowd is a big factor.

its possible to play a great show in front of a shitty crowd.

it is also possible to play like shit in front of a great crowd.

But IN GENERAL  great shows are much more likely to happen in front of great crowds.

The band thrives on it. The audience thrives on that. And it just multiplies.

If you upfront at shows raging I don\'t know how you could not see it happening.

The crowd is a huge factor.

[leith]

I guess I am just selfish in that I barely socialize while the band is playing and don\'t usually bother to turn around as the band is not behind me.

I just get my space in front of Jordan and proceed w/ the flailing I call dancing.

I know the faster they play the faster I dance AND I have had Tim look me in the eye and just rip to see how fast he could get me to go.:lol:

So I understand the whole interaction angle but WHY does it effect one\'s review or determine if that show was better than any other?
:idunno:

[davepeck]

Just why is the crowd so important to some Breakfast fans?

family.

love.

good times.

[leith]

Just why is the crowd so important to some Breakfast fans?

family.

love.

good times.

Yeah I get that.

So if you happen to be @ a show w/ a bunch of newbs who don\'t go ballistic w/ every note , no .info\'ers, and the band throws down harder than you can recall, the show still gets a lesser review because the crowd was not all crazy?
 hmmm OK

Wonder what reviews will be like if the band actually starts playing places where the Bfast Family contingent is vastly outnumbered by normal fans.

[davepeck]

Just why is the crowd so important to some Breakfast fans?

family.

love.

good times.

Yeah I get that.

So if you happen to be @ a show w/ a bunch of newbs who don\'t go ballistic w/ every note , no .info\'ers, and the band throws down harder than you can recall, the show still gets a lesser review because the crowd was not all crazy?
 hmmm OK

not saying anything about a review of a show.. you asked why the crowd is important, those are my reasons. and without said family, said love, and said good times, i honestly don\'t think i\'d try so hard to see the band every chance i got. i\'m sure i\'d still see them plenty, but the things surrounding this band make the whole thing better, imo.

[Wolfman]

The fact that the experience of those around you during the show means nothing to you and has no effect on you makes me sad, leith.  I pity you.  

I find it ridiculous to gauge crowd reaction and determine if a show was hot or not.  I listen to the show for that.

So the same show musically played in front of 3 sleeping people vs. 25 people at the bar not paying any attention vs. 300 people eating up every note is all the same to you.  I\'m sorry man.  

Just why is the crowd so important to some Breakfast fans?

Because I love my friends in the crowd and I like to meet the new faces that I don\'t know and see their reactions.  The collective feeling amongst all of these people during the show is just as important if not more important than how the band played in determining the success of a show.   Clearly this concept has passed you by and the people are not imporant to you.  But you\'re thirty-something years old and you\'ve been to a million concerts.  If you don\'t understand it by now, you never will.  It\'s really too bad.

[leith]

The fact that the experience of those around you during the show means nothing to you and has no effect on you makes me sad, leith.  I pity you.  

I find it ridiculous to gauge crowd reaction and determine if a show was hot or not.  I listen to the show for that.

So the same show musically played in front of 3 sleeping people vs. 25 people at the bar not paying any attention vs. 300 people eating up every note is all the same to you.  I\'m sorry man.  

Just why is the crowd so important to some Breakfast fans?

Because I love my friends in the crowd and I like to meet the new faces that I don\'t know and see their reactions.  The collective feeling amongst all of these people during the show is just as important if not more important than how the band played in determining the success of a show.   Clearly this concept has passed you by and the people are not imporant to you.  But you\'re thirty-something years old and you\'ve been to a million concerts.  If you don\'t understand it by now, you never will.  It\'s really too bad.

Codependent much? Having friends around @ a show is great but not the priority for me as it is for you all. Breakfast shows for me are a musical experience which is very rare while for you all it is mainly a social experience that you guys get alot of.  So the reactions of those around you matter more.
I understand completely. too bad the band is not getting your full attention as they deserve.

The thing is I first saw this band w/ NO ONE that was going apeshit.
I was floored and moved to join PB fans.

" The collective feeling amongst all of these people during the show is just as important if not more important than how the band played in determining the success of a show"

What? That is such a slap in the face to the band. No wonder you harbor the hope they never break big.

Yeah I guess when you are just used to a bar band consisting of your friends for the main musical muse in your life, it is ez to break it down to hanging out w/ people and not the music so much.

I know when I come out to see shows, I have a blast hanging out w/ folk before the show, set break, and after the show. I interact briefly if someone is up front jamming out near me during the show but for the most part I am there to see the band and I have never once thought a show was better or worse due to the crowd in any manner.

Just why is the crowd so important to some Breakfast fans?

family.

love.

good times.

Yeah I get that.

So if you happen to be @ a show w/ a bunch of newbs who don\'t go ballistic w/ every note , no .info\'ers, and the band throws down harder than you can recall, the show still gets a lesser review because the crowd was not all crazy?
 hmmm OK

not saying anything about a review of a show.. you asked why the crowd is important, those are my reasons. and without said family, said love, and said good times, i honestly don\'t think i\'d try so hard to see the band every chance i got. i\'m sure i\'d still see them plenty, but the things surrounding this band make the whole thing better, imo.

Wow I can understand that feeling but I mean I love you guys alot but when I fly out it is not thinking first yeah I get to see so and so.... I am stoked to see  The Breakfast and hanging w/ cool cats is total gravy.
Is that understandable?

[bonzo]

when the crowd has a lot of energy the band plays harder which makes the crowd even more crazy, and it is fun when you are getting your grove on and being owned and you look around and every one in the club is going crazy with there crazy dance moves

[crimsonknuckles]

fuckin\' god, kill this thread.

[Gordo]

what a dumb comment leith.

the music is made by people.
the crowd is made of people.
people react to other people.

i love when theres a raging crowd. if i had seen two shows that were in every way comparable musically on disc but completely different by crowd standards (which is highly unlikely), you better believe id be more inclined to write a more in-depth review of the "raging crowd" show. doesnt mean id dis the other, but shit man how can you not be affected by the element of a greater more engaged crowd. i love people, I LOVE PEOPLE. doesnt it feel better when there are a hundred heads experiencing the same incredible music than just you standing in front of the stage?

and as far as dave\'s comment about seeing them less, pretty sure he wouldnt pay a cover at a door just to walk into a room full of his friends w/o The Breakfast playing. i have a feeling the music is still #1 on the list for all of the Breakfast-fam out there, aint nothing wrong with FEELING better about things when youre surrounded by people you really care about. what a depressing comment leith, weak sauce.

[FreeSpirit]

Crowd energy = SER good vibes in the venue... while I\'m NOT codependent, I always pick up on the crowd\'s energy - the best shows I\'ve been to are the ones where people are moving & enjoying the tunes.

[Todd]

and don\'t usually bother to turn around as the band is not behind me.

Then you are missing out on "the connection" with all of "your friends"

AND I have had Tim look me in the eye and just rip to see how fast he could get me to go.:lol:

You think they don\'t do that with the whole crowd??? Come on GUY, that IS part of the energy of the show!!! I was up front last night and Ron and Tim put on "a show" for me to photograph, involving Tim guitar spearing the front row and Tim and Ron dueling together. AWESOME shots AND awesome ENERGY that you could definitely see in the crowd!!!!!

So I understand the whole interaction angle but WHY does it effect one\'s review or determine if that show was better than any other?
:idunno:

It IS all about the AWESOME playing of the band AND the connection of the band to the crowd!!!!! As a proclaimed old school Dead Head, you, more than anyone else, should understand this!!!!