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« Reply #360 on: May 29, 2005, 04:14:55 am »
You know Zeppelin and Page in particular did nothing that is not done by many many other musical acts. He changed the lyrics and some of the music. Yeah it is a blatent ripoff in my opinion but not to ASCAP and that is the only opinion that counts in court. Zeppelin have not and never will disappoint me. They wrote too many other non ripped off tunes to matter. I look @ it this way Page\'s version sold millions the other guy\'s did not. Which is better? Well the buying public has spoken. PAGE\'S!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #361 on: May 29, 2005, 01:17:03 pm »
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You know Zeppelin and Page in particular did nothing that is not done by many many other musical acts. He changed the lyrics and some of the music. Yeah it is a blatent ripoff in my opinion but not to ASCAP and that is the only opinion that counts in court. Zeppelin have not and never will disappoint me. They wrote too many other non ripped off tunes to matter. I look @ it this way Page\'s version sold millions the other guy\'s did not. Which is better? Well the buying public has spoken. PAGE\'S!!!!!!!!!!!!

:sigh: still doesn\'t make it right imo
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« Reply #362 on: May 29, 2005, 01:42:18 pm »
Well this is actually not real big news to me. In Led Zeppelin A Celebration a book by Dave Lewis who is recognized the world over as a Zeppelin "expert", The entry for Dazed and Confused reads like this" Originates from the mid-sixties,when it was known as an acoustic folk tune sung by Jake Holmes. In the Yardbird\'s, Jimmy arranged it as \'I\'m Confused\' and it was played live on stage and on radio sessions. For the debut album, Page added new lyrics,and spiced up the arrangement to extend the guitar played w/ a violen bow episode. It still retains an air of menace and drama, and crystillises the electricity developing between the four at the time. It also beautifully illustrates Jones\' walking bass style that lights up the track from start to finish.

Another book on Zeppelin also credits Jake Holmes\' song as the songs originating influence and even lists The Above Ground Sound of Jake Holmes.


If this appropriation of another person\'s song by Jimmy Page makes him a bad man then I guess Eric Clapton, Jerry Garcia, Bob Weir,Duane Allman, Keith Richards,etc. are all bad men as all of these guys have appropriated and rearranged songs from other writers and are now known for their version of the song or rather their version is known better than the original author\'s.
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« Reply #363 on: May 29, 2005, 05:31:00 pm »
^^^did they give appropriate title to those who originally wrote parts?? just asking, i dont know.  and still, it doesnt make it right.  not calling anyone an outright bad man, decent people still do bad things.. this is one case.
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« Reply #364 on: May 30, 2005, 12:04:32 am »
It\'s always disappointing to hear, but that kind of stuff happens in the music biz all the time. People sell out and quit writing their own stuff, they steal others\' ideas (for example that shitty new R&B song that uses Stevie Wonder\'s "Superstition" funk melody line...not sure who redid it), and they ultimately cease to be what they set out to be. Sad, but true.
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« Reply #365 on: May 30, 2005, 01:16:08 am »
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(for example that shitty new R&B song that uses Stevie Wonder\'s "Superstition" funk melody line...not sure who redid it)

At least when someone "rips" from another song like that, the originator approves it, sells the rights and gets royalties from it. It\'s the ones who take a song and rearrange it, without permission, so it\'s very close, yet not close enough to the original and then call it their own.

And Leith, PLEASE give an example of any Jerry song that he did this with. Not having read/ researched I have no basis for my thoughts that I beleive he never made a song his own without due credit/ respect to the one who wrote/ created it.
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« Reply #366 on: May 30, 2005, 01:43:41 am »
When I speak of Jerry profitting from other\'s works I speak mainly of the numerous tunes labeled as Traditional Arranged by Grateful Dead. Many of them like Don\'t Ease Me In even Aiko have other authors that are not compensated due to having created the songs prior to ASCAP etc. They just happen to be labeled as "Folk Traditionals" So what no credit due these people? Some of these songs are recorded so how can Jerry just rearrange some of the songs closest to the version he happened to hear and than make money off it by saying the arrangement is changed and that\'s it while Page changes lyrics ,arrangements AND ADDS New music to the piece and is wrong in doing so?
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« Reply #367 on: May 30, 2005, 02:58:08 am »
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When I speak of Jerry profitting from other\'s works I speak mainly of the numerous tunes labeled as Traditional Arranged by Grateful Dead. Many of them like Don\'t Ease Me In even Aiko have other authors that are not compensated due to having created the songs prior to ASCAP etc. They just happen to be labeled as "Folk Traditionals" So what no credit due these people? Some of these songs are recorded so how can Jerry just rearrange some of the songs closest to the version he happened to hear and than make money off it by saying the arrangement is changed and that\'s it while Page changes lyrics ,arrangements AND ADDS New music to the piece and is wrong in doing so?


kind of agree.. at least jerry still wore his scrubby black wal-mart tees and sweats. i dont think he really gave a fuck about the money, he was just lazy in the business and monetary driven ways. he liked what sounded good to him. not sure how to compare that thought to page and zeppelin, i am in no way a historian of classic rock. but dude, reading "Traditional Arranged" still gets the point across. right there you see it\'s not a GD original in fullness. when a song appears as written SOLELY by an artist that is not written SOLELY by that artist, thats fucked.

now go on leith.... rebuttal as you must.
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« Reply #368 on: May 30, 2005, 11:01:26 am »
almost any track off of Blood Sugar Sex Magik
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« Reply #369 on: May 30, 2005, 03:01:02 pm »
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« Reply #370 on: May 30, 2005, 03:18:42 pm »
i agree on the Peppers. what if they just covered an entire album on a special date? thatd be sick.
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« Reply #371 on: May 30, 2005, 04:25:00 pm »
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i agree on the Peppers. what if they just covered an entire album on a special date? thatd be sick.



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« Reply #372 on: May 30, 2005, 05:02:41 pm »
i hope this wasnt mentioned as this is a huge post, but cheepnis by zappa would be crazy, there are so many wacky changes and shit, only the breakfast could truly pull that song off
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« Reply #373 on: May 30, 2005, 06:10:11 pm »
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i hope this wasnt mentioned as this is a huge post, but cheepnis by zappa would be crazy, there are so many wacky changes and shit, only the breakfast could truly pull that song off


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« Reply #374 on: May 30, 2005, 06:43:17 pm »
hell yeah, there are so many different things in that song, but i got what your saying
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