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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2005, 07:53:46 pm »
Didn\'t a judge sometime last week deny that the union could not strike?
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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2005, 08:02:43 pm »
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Didn\'t a judge sometime last week deny that the union could not strike?

From the text in the 1st post.

The strike defies the Taylor Law, which forbids public employees from walking off the job. The law imposes a fine of two days\' pay for each day of an illegal strike.

In addition, the union could be fined millions of dollars a day.

The union and the more than 30,000 members of Local 100 also risk contempt for defying a court injunction last week barring the strike.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg called the strike "illegal and morally reprehensible" and said the union faces severe consequences.

"This is not only an affront to the concept of public service, it is a cowardly attempt by Roger Toussaint and the TWU to bring the city to its knees to create leverage for their own bargaining position," Bloomberg said at a news conference Monday night. (Watch the mayor vow to hit the union hard -- 3:12)

New York Gov. George Pataki echoed those sentiments, saying union members "are also recklessly endangering the health and safety of each and every New Yorker."

The chairman of the Metropolitan Transit Authority, Peter Kalikow, said its lawyers and New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer will begin with contempt proceedings against the union.
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2005, 08:05:33 pm »
I was unaware of the Taylor Law and I will admit I did not read the first post as I have been watching the news all morning.
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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2005, 08:07:02 pm »
Well there ya go.
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2005, 08:07:27 pm »
In that case, the union has some serious balls and its members must know fully well what they got themselves into.

26% is definitely high and I never agreed with a raise that high but there has to be a middle of the road. Can\'t they take lets say for argument sake, 15%.
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2005, 08:11:06 pm »
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In that case, the union has some serious balls and its members must know fully well what they got themselves into.

26% is definitely high and I never agreed with a raise that high but there has to be a middle of the road. Can\'t they take lets say for argument sake, 15%.

NO what that shows is the union leadership has balls. I can tell you right now that most of the workers are pissing their pants wondering how they are gonna pay for all their gifts this year and praying the strike lasts less than a few days.
Any pay raise over 15% over a 3 yr period def. needs negotiation in most job markets these days so who knows?
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2005, 08:14:59 pm »
Someones got balls.

Anyone know for a fact when they last got a pay raise and what they make?
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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2005, 08:15:59 pm »
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No they do not have every right to strike. What they are doing is illegal. They are PUBLIC servants and they KNOW this taking the job. Holding the public hostage is ridiculous.

They also have options besides a full strike. They could slow down the whole system or simply shut down designated lines each day in rotation. I experienced this in Paris a few years back it was a pain in the neck but manageable even for a tourist.

My parents and my nephew are coming to visit after Xmas. If the strike is still happening I am going to be pissed!
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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2005, 08:22:00 pm »
You are right obsession600. There had to have been other options besides a full strike and ones that could have been negotiated on the bargining table. It is a tough situation and without a full idea of the entire situation, I am bowing out of this conversation. However, I may still talk some crazy shit to get people going and test their knowledge. ;)
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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2005, 09:05:28 pm »
They do not have the right to strike.  It\'s illegal.  It\'s also extremely dangerous.  Ambulances, fire trucks, and police cars will be sitting in increased street traffic with everyone else.  Also, there are a lot of old folks who need the buses to get around.  Walking more than a block or two would take them all day, if they even made it.  They\'re not going to be able to get the basic things they need.  In addition, any wacko who breaks into the subway (not hard) would have free run of the whole thing and could walk down the tunnels from station to station doing whatever lovely bomb planting or sabotaging they like.  Defintiely a sticky situation.

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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2005, 10:34:30 pm »
After reading up on this issue, I\'ve come to a few conclusions:

1. the unions greedy
2. the MTA is poorly structured and inefficient
3. while the strike made for good tv today, i\'ve become quickly bored with it.

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« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2005, 10:01:49 am »
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I can tell you right now that most of the workers are pissing their pants wondering how they are gonna pay for all their gifts this year and praying the strike lasts less than a few days.


yeah they get docked two days pay for every day they\'re on strike.  shitty.  this is really kind of a lose lose situation.  although i\'ve discovered how much i enjoy the walk to work from grand central, even in the freezing cold.
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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2005, 10:32:34 am »
didn\'t a ton cross the line today?

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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2005, 11:10:18 am »
Where\'d you hear that from? I have not found any on-line article to support that. If you have a link, please post it, brah!
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« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2005, 11:15:44 am »
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Where\'d you hear that from? I have not found any on-line article to support that. If you have a link, please post it, brah!

thought i heard it on the news this morning... i look for a link

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