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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2005, 06:01:49 pm »
what folks need to realize is trey needs to do stuff to make him happy.
after so many years under a microscope,being ripped ot shreads piece by piece,its trey day.
good for him..
im dont really dig the new album too much,but its growin on me a bit..
take the E to the A to the D...you\'ll be all set

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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2005, 06:02:04 pm »
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your right, trey WAS an awsome guitarist and phish IS dead. i dont think it\'s COOL to bad mouth trey or his bad but since i am a "music critic" i can say in my opinion only that his talent is wasted, in my opinion. he could be doing so much more. i think. i like the fact that he\'s doing something different. i\'m not a musician so i don\'t know alot about the complexity of his guitar work i only know what i hear. i like his solo acoustic more than anything, i think it is powerful stuff.


What the hell is a music critic? Generally it\'s someone who thinks they know what good music is, has no idea what it takes, and lacks the insight to make that determination in the first place...just because YOU like or don\'t like something doesn\'t necessarily give you a platform from which to criticize an artist.

Being in a band is like any relationship; it takes work, commitment, commitment, compromise...most people lack the maturity to understand this. When the relationship suffers, the music suffers...Trey wasn\'t feeling Phish anymore. I think it\'s the ridiculous nature of fans and the pressure they put on the band to be what they want it to be is what kills the creative energies of a band. Whether I like the decision Phish (Trey) has made, or not is really irrelevant to me. I commend him for taking a chance to start over...solo projects, Oysterhead, DM & Friends, his new Band. I saw Trey and Gov\'t Mule over the summer and they were pretty amazing. He\'s an incredibily talented guitarist no matter what situation you put him in...The other members of Phish should have no problem doing there own thing and creating new bands and sounds; each is talented in his own right.

I know it\'s hard for some "phans," letting go that is, as Phish is one of those bands that\'s just greater than the sum of it\'s parts. ANd who knows they may get back together again.

Look at the Grateful Dead...what is it without Jerry? Many people went out to see JGB, Jerry was an amazing guitarist...he played Bluegrass with David Grisman; an album with Howard Wales; Mickey Hart has his own band as does Bob Weir and Phil Lesh...you have to evaluate and consider what they do in their own right and not compare it to the band that made them all famous...doesn\'t mean they are wasting their talent. That\'s just naive...imo.

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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2005, 06:13:05 pm »
At the height of Clapton\'s darkest heroin addictions he produced what could possibly be considered a masterpiece of modern rock.

I don\'t know what kinda shit deadheads were talking about when Jer was getting really sloppy onstage because the worldwide web along with it\'s billion "experts on everything" didn\'t really exist outside of gov\'t and academic circles @ the time.

So we need the input of some of the more "seasoned".info\'ers... what was the word around the campfire about Jer back in the day?

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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2005, 06:16:38 pm »
The Grateful Dead = The Other Jer Band
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2005, 06:24:01 pm »
they\'re still makin\' money off that fat bastards talent

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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2005, 07:24:27 pm »
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At the height of Clapton\'s darkest heroin addictions he produced what could possibly be considered a masterpiece of modern rock.

I don\'t know what kinda shit deadheads were talking about when Jer was getting really sloppy onstage because the worldwide web along with it\'s billion "experts on everything" didn\'t really exist outside of gov\'t and academic circles @ the time.

So we need the input of some of the more "seasoned".info\'ers... what was the word around the campfire about Jer back in the day?


I remember when i was just getting into GD. I would always run into those that would just talk shit about Jerry being a junkie and he was soo much better in the 70\'s.
 I even remember myself yelling @ Jerry to "wake the fuck up and read your teleprompter damn it!" in L.A. Winter \'94. It was sad to see him resting his chin on his mic and the rest of the band just trying to make it through. Having Jerry just not come out for awhile into Space while the rest of the band played and looked @ each other like "Is he coming Out?" I still went even when Jerry was not up to par but that was just because you just never knew when he would snap out of it and just lay down the sweetest licks you ever heard. Unfortunately Jerry ran out of time. Trey has not.

So you see I can understand people being upset w/ Trey while he was playing poorly due to drugs but he is not doing so now(Or @ least he\'s been practicing and got the drugs under control). So I am interested in seeing where he goes from here.
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2005, 07:29:20 pm »
I sampled his new album on iTunes the other day, didn\'t buy it.  I\'m just not interested in Trey-pop.  But I suppose I should give it a more complete listen before passing judgement.  I know a few people on .info have raved about it.

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2005, 07:30:19 pm »
Vegas 04....Trey was definitely on something or somethings, and some thought it was crap....Me...personally, I loved the shows....
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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2005, 07:31:17 pm »
I guess we should be patting him on the back for getting hooked on oc\'s, fucking up phish and putting out shitty solo music?  Way to go trey! Your really showing a lot of growth!

Get real.

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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2005, 07:52:39 pm »
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I guess we should be patting him on the back for getting hooked on oc\'s, fucking up phish and putting out shitty solo music?  Way to go trey! Your really showing a lot of growth!

Get real.


Yeah @ the root of that statement is he fucked up Phish. Dude get over it! It was not just Trey that was slippin\' The BAND AS A WHOLE WAS NOT THE SAME POST HIATUS Deal with it. You know it\'s true. Trey just had the balls to stop it. He saw people like you more and more @ shows and realized he did not want to be like Jerry Idolized and DEAD!

So you don\'t like his solo stuff? Fine don\'t buy it or a ticket.
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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2005, 07:55:30 pm »
boooo! We are all allowed to have our own opinions and say what we truly think. If we think Trey is a junkie...we think he is a junkie. Who is to say what we are allowed to think or say. Not me and not you...so let music be music and let people critique the music or musicians that they dont dig...hasnt it always been that way?
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2005, 08:04:43 pm »
Leith how many phish shows did you see?

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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2005, 08:20:19 pm »
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Leith how many phish shows did you see?

Well I actually am not sure but I believe from \'92 to the end I saw near 70 some shows. What does that have to do w/ anything?

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boooo! We are all allowed to have our own opinions and say what we truly think. If we think Trey is a junkie...we think he is a junkie. Who is to say what we are allowed to think or say. Not me and not you...so let music be music and let people critique the music or musicians that they dont dig...hasnt it always been that way?
Good argument topic though.

*SallyAlli*


NO my point is that these people are holding things against him that are in the past. These people are still wishing Phish was around and it just is not going to happen. These people do not want to see Trey do anything but play w/ Phish they could care less about his personal growth. If they don\'t like his music fine. Why pick @ his choice? find someone else to listen to. That\'s all.
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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2005, 08:43:22 pm »
lol

your right, i say trey sucks because i wish he was playing music i could enjoy as much as phish. trey is a great guitarist so relax everyone, organicnugz! since i can make opinions about music i think that makes me a critic and this forum is my platform.
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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2005, 08:51:45 pm »
dude trey fell off in a major way. and he has done nothing to redeem himself yet .

There is really no denying this fact.

Seeing Phish from 92 on you should have been able to see this.

I clearly saw and acknowledged it as did every other person I attended phish shows with most of whom had seen every single show from 94 on.

Not sure how you missed it.

Maybe your just one of those "glass is half full" type of guys.