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« Reply #90 on: September 21, 2005, 08:11:32 pm »
ser post jking....
thanks
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« Reply #91 on: September 21, 2005, 08:34:22 pm »
you know....i\'m getting sick and fucking tired of this bullshit. i just got done seeing moe. at a festival that brought over 8000 people, mainly just to see them. the breakfast was LUCKY to be invited to a minor spot.  they\'re going to sell out roseland for two nights over thanksgiving, again, while the breakfast puts 30 people in the lions den and then you people bitch about the venue. they tour nationally all year long. they play places like red rocks and vegas. i\'ve seen them with 5k in central park. they tour japan yearly. members of the band get invited to sit in with people like phil lesh and steve kimock and bob weir. at about the same age as the breakfast, they were invited to play the furthur fest. they\'ve turned down opening spots for the dead due to the gigs not being good for them. they open for the allmans and get 90 minutes where most people would get 45 minutes.they have an organization that develops and actually realizes special events designed to stimulate the fan base. they sold out they\'re own cruise. SOMEBODY THINKS THEY\'RE PRETTY GOOD! in the mean time.....the breakfast cain\'t get out of new england. we have to kid ourselves that 500 people show up at the webster when it\'s more like 175. if we go a long way away like....say....philly (real long fucking way) it\'s doozie city...same in long island, boston, nyc....etc....and a trip down south or out west is nothing but a money loser. they do things like drop off 7 copies of the new disc at the moe.down merch tent (which sell out) and then there\'s just no more....sorry! we just blew your doors off but you\'ll have to get a copy of our music some other time. they play new years eve in support of a lesser band for the paycheck, not to payback they\'re extremely loyal fans with a party of their own. they come out with new merch about once every few years.
right now, i\'m listening to the breakfast almost exclusively because they are continually blowing me away. they seem better every time i hear them, but THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS......the breakfast could and should take a long hard look at moe.\'s business model and plan execution and try to learn something. i for one, am sick and goddamn tired of trying to promote this band amongst the moe.rons, having them respond in kind,curious and intelligent fashion about whatever they like or dislike about the music, while this board seems to think that they are building up the breakfast while cracking on moe.. all it sounds like to me is immature jealousy and pettiness. by inviting the breakfast to moe.down, moe. gave them one of the biggest hand ups that they\'ve ever gotten....yet you jerks just bash them as if that didn\'t happen. if the breakfast handle their careers anything like moe. has, they will be better off by far, than they are now. if the fanbase handles their end anything like the moe.rons have, it can only help the band. right now.....just as before....any moe.ron, who may have been excited by what they saw, or by what myself and others from here are raving about, comes to this site and see\'s this bullshit over and over is just going to say fuck this. you all think your being cute and cool by bashing an extemely talented and successful band, that has always gone out of it\'s way to help younger bands, when all your really doing is making US ALL look like asses. i don\'t need your help with that....i can do a good enough job by myself. anyone has the right to express their opinion on any subject they choose (including me), but if someone like me, who truly loves the breakfast, is so tired of it that i really don\'t feel like reading this board much anymore, imagine the impression that someone who doesn\'t know this scene must think when they see crap like this. "moe. better not let the breakfast get near this show"? yeah...i\'m sure that they are really intimidated by a bar band who bring a few dozen people to it\'s shows in nyc which is an hour away. i don\'t care for the disco biscuits much, but i don\'t continually bash them as a way to express what a big breakfast fan i am. they do their thing and i choose not to go. end of story. so....take all your moe. bashing and your "my band is so fucking good that your band must suck" attitude....and stick it up your collective asses!

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« Reply #92 on: September 21, 2005, 08:41:37 pm »
:shock1:  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #93 on: September 21, 2005, 08:49:39 pm »
amen, duane; though it took me 10 minutes to read that since Im a retard when trying to read something longer than two sentences unless the name Harry or Potter is in the title
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« Reply #94 on: September 21, 2005, 08:57:54 pm »
Post #92 is the enema that this board has been needing. Thank you for saying some stuff that needed to be said.
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« Reply #95 on: September 21, 2005, 09:04:23 pm »
Amen!
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« Reply #96 on: September 21, 2005, 09:05:08 pm »
amen duane.. exactly how i felt when i went over to pt.moe to say thanks and saw that i actually had a mess to clean up because of that same attitude that you described..

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« Reply #97 on: September 21, 2005, 09:52:03 pm »
someone mentioned bass effects for ron.

good idea. there is nothing in the world like synth bass funk.

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« Reply #98 on: September 21, 2005, 10:19:10 pm »
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it took me 10 minutes to read that since Im a retard when trying to read something longer than two sentences unless the name MARKY MARK is in the title
ditto

duane, although i am not a fan of moe and some other people on this board are aware of that because of my sometimes childish and evil behavior, i am sorry if i ever offended you about making jokes in reference to them. i have mentioned in my posts somewhere that i think all of the serious moe fans (moe.rons?) are dynamite people. i had such a nice time seeing you and your buddies and meeting people at moe.down. i can\'t remember all of the guys names but they were down to earth people and i can\'t tell you how awesome it was that someone at your campsite had rubber cement to fix my shoe before i could have tripped and had a nasty fall (kind of like when i walked into the tree at our tent)--i\'d probably be raped or robbed by the majority of people on dead lot (just a comparison, not trying to insult anyone) these days before anyone would help me out. i respect the band musically-they are all talented (although not my taste) and how well the band does business-wise..i cannot insult them on that subject, that is something they have down that i guess TB doesn\'t yet.

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« Reply #99 on: September 21, 2005, 10:25:17 pm »
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Hold the damn phone!!  Did a photo of Dorothy, Rose, Blanche & Sophia just get moderated because there was a little yellow happyface guy thrusting his nonexistent hips under it, when there still exists a thread titled ANT-MAN that has a picture of an ASIAN getting fucked by a dog in the mud in it?!!!




hold on there :ass:.  When you have 4,700 posts and start a thread that people actually post on topic and with no shennanigans, you can ask permission to have nonsense taken out of it...Thanks Cobby....  Till then go take catheter hits off of some old bag....

Done and Done.....

and now back to your regularly scheduled thread........

2 things....

I wonder what are the chances of a Turkey.Tour show in NYC post moe.?

another thing....

Why doesn\'t Ronnie have any effects or anything to "play" with.  I am not saying that he needs effects or gimmicks to make him better, but I was listening to the Puppethouse Buquebus and man, there was some ser shit going on....could you imagine if he had some bass toys taboot?

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fixed Vic..

HA....thanks and point taken...


Yes, the result of my original post was nonsense, but my original post was true to point.  While I agree with the intent of your thread, I was merely pointing out that your methods of bringing out certain topics and conversations was fraught with bogus tactics.  If you have questions about why things occur, you should think about better ways of asking the question.

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« Reply #100 on: September 21, 2005, 10:35:01 pm »
I love The Breakfast and there\'s a lot of great folks who I\'ve met at shows, but reading through these posts has been painful, and I\'m glad oldnewbie lashed out.  Not because I\'m angry at the moe. bashing (though I think moe. is a great band), but just because a lot of people are looking at this through their Breakfast blinders, which is appropriate since it\'s a Breakfast forum.  

But, let\'s put things into perspective folks.  It\'s ridiculous to compare The Breakfast through their first 6 years to Phish through the same timeframe.  Phish got their start in the 80s.  There was no jamband scene at that time.  Sure, there was the Dead, but they had been around for almost twenty years at that point.  And, while they jam, they weren\'t looked at as a jamband the way we think of it today.  Phish was just a freak occurrence of an amazingly creative, saavy and talented group of musicians.  In my opinion, their success created a domino effect that led to the jamband scene that we know today.  Today, jambands are a dime a dozen.  

Jambands are everywhere.  And, many of these bands, whom I don\'t personally like as much as The Breakfast, have much larger fanbases.  It baffles me that bands like the Disco Biscuits and Umphree\'s McGee are so much bigger than The Breakfast, but they are.  The fact is we are so enamored with The Breakfast because not only are they great musicians, but a lot of us consider them our band.  They are from our hometown or our state, we have been seeing them since they first got together (shit - I saw Tim play when he was in Mokijam), we hang out with them, they\'re accessible, they\'re really fucking cool.  It\'s a unique situation that we get to go see Tim, the nasty lead guitar player of our favorite band, play live solo shows right down the road and we\'re making the setlists for him.  I don\'t think Trey was playing solo shows to the same 10-15 guys/girls three nights a week 6 years into Phish\'s existence.  And, while there are 900 people signed up on this message board, there are not 900 people posting.  Many of you folks are obsessed TB fans, and that\'s okay, but you have to realize that most people do not feel the same.  They think they\'re good and maybe even great, but perhaps only a handful of people would ever "go on tour" with TB.  And, I imagine it would only be those of you who are personal friends with the band.

I\'m a bit older, so I\'m not going to shows like I used to.  If I were 5 years younger, I would see more Breakfast shows, but I wouldn\'t dedicate my life to them.  When I used to go to Phish shows, I used to feel like it was much more than a live show.  It was an experience.  You don\'t get that feeling with many bands.  I feel that way about Widespread Panic.  And, I used to feel that way about some moe. and SCI shows that I went to.  While I thoroughly enjoy The Breakfast shows, and find them completely fullfilling, I don\'t feel like it\'s an experience.  I feel like it\'s a live show.  Some of you post reviews of shows that I went to, including Timmy solo shows, and I feel like I must have missed something because I didn\'t come away feeling like it was an Earth shattering experience like the reviewer did.  I\'m not downplaying how great they are, but my point is that there are a handful of people who think The Breakfast are the greatest thing since sliced toast, and those are the same people who are posting day after day, show after show.  Sure, there are some others, like myself, who post from time to time, but for the most part it\'s the same people.  50 completely dedicated Breakfast fans are not going to turn this band into the next Phish folks.  And, for one to say that they feel okay about the state of things because Phish was still touring mainly in the NE after 6 years is laughable.

Just enjoy the music.  While people have a right to do it, I used to hate it when people would criticize Phish because of this or that.  They didn\'t like the setlist, they didn\'t feel like this sequeway or that segueway was appropriate.  Bittersweet Motel was too focused on Trey.  I hate it when they play Farmhouse.  Blah blah blah.  If Phish wants to play Farmhouse, then god dammit, I want to listen to it.  We want The Breakfast to be this great band playing big venues, drawing a large crowd, but we are also upset because their management isn\'t personally coming out and shaking our hands and asking us what we want.  It\'s a bit silly.  

In every state and every region, there\'s probably a jamband who has a following like The Breakfast who has fans like us.  It\'s tough to make it big.  I\'m baffled that The Breakfast isn\'t playing Bonnaroo yet.  I think to myself, if people could just see them, how could they not like them.  But, I don\'t know what little bands are out there.  There are probably tons of bands just like The Breakfast trying to make it.  We have to remember that these guys are trying to make a living, they didn\'t form the band to please each of us indivdiually.  I\'m sure that Tim, Adrian, Ron, and Jordan have a say in what direction the management is taking the band.  If Gencs is thinking of all these questions, then I\'m sure Tim has already thought of them.  There\'s no need to worry about the business side of the band, just enjoy the music.  Be glad they\'re still playing runs in CT.  But, also realize that if they\'re not filling up The Webster, which they don\'t (I am hard pressed to believe there was ever 500 people at a Webster show), they\'re not going to be the next big thing overnight.  No band will EVER be as big as Phish was.  And, The Breakfast will probably never be as big as moe. is.  Just hope that they are able to make decent money while doing what they love, being creative, growing as musicians, writing great songs, making amazing music, and making us all smile, laugh, and dance.

Just my 2 cents worth.  Actually, it\'s probably more like 100 dollars worth given the length.
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« Reply #101 on: September 21, 2005, 10:44:54 pm »
Wow I just did a lot of reading.

jking:
your last paragraph of that post really brought a tear to my eye.  I could just open my mouth and you can just talk, that way I don\'t have to strain my vocal chords.  I feel like Palermo from the Puppet House.  Very astute of you!!!

oldnewb:
Well said, while brakfast is my favorite band I am not going to degrade any other band, especially those who are in the same so-called "genre".  I\'m not a huge moe. fan but what I\'ve heard I\'ve respected if not out right liked.  These are different styles of music and there is no need to draw any lines in the sand, accept differences and embrace them (except country nobody may listen to country).  I should think that a message board with a Wookeelius McWookensteingbergskiwookerston would be more open minded and less judgemental.  No offense

Oh and not to get off topic

I have no experience in the music business besides shopping @ Sam Ash and local guitar stores so what I say really means nothing, but I\'ll say something anyway.

This may be kind of greedy of me to say but it would be great if the band stuck around New England (easier to see them more often).  This is obviously their strongest fan base and I\'m sure the guys love it here, it\'s home.  There really is a huge market to blow open in these five states and not to mention upstate New York.  It seems to me that a sense of urgency to make this band explode on the scene has fallen over the fanbase.  I say let them saturate the New England Market, get the dedicate Ser fans even more Ser!!!

If they really have that much of a problem with the tour van how about another benefit show.  I hope I don\'t get flamed for this like leith, but back in aht 1 they had a benefit show for stolen equipment.  I would be happy to pay a little extra for an extra Ser show if all profits went to the band.  Shall we see if the Puppethouse is available for rent again?
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« Reply #102 on: September 22, 2005, 01:03:47 am »
sigh. :sigh:
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« Reply #103 on: September 22, 2005, 02:23:54 am »
I\'ve seen moe. more then any band that I\'ve seen, and I they have their thing going. But I agree, I think this whole north east I hate your band and my band is the best thing needs to end from fans of every band. Support live music!

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« Reply #104 on: September 22, 2005, 04:31:46 am »
the fact remains that moe. just cant get the panties wet.....they can do a good job at heatin em up.....but when it comes to actually making you feel something......sorry...moe. just didnt do it for me.....timmy playing dr. mario at 4:30am makes me more emotional than moe.\'s entire attempt at conjuring a shred of whatever during terrapin.........and i was fucking into the terrapin......

moe. does their thing...and we will do our thing.....

if you want to be a part of it....cool....see you at iron horse

if you dont.....go on moe.tour...cause they have been "selling out" their gigs for years..

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