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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2005, 12:52:40 pm »
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as a student of pharmacy, and having been employed in a pharmacy for almost 6 years

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2005, 01:17:34 pm »
glad to see some debating going! :thumbsup: I agree with most of you pharmacist should be distributing what they need to according to the pescription. Leave your convictions at the door when you come to work. The point that really struck me is the girl who was told no by the only pharmacy open for a pill that had to be taken within a set number of hours! Thats just wrong imo.

Didnt hear about this on foxnews, cnn, nbc, abc, etc... once again proving why I get my news from sources outside of the US.

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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2005, 07:11:30 pm »
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I find it funny that people forget abt the pharmacist\'s right to have beliefs also.


it\'s their job, leith. sure, you can have beliefs, but they\'re your beliefs. your job is to serve the public, who may not share these beliefs. what business do you have to say what someone else can/can\'t do?

to me, this is the equivalent of a Jewish Waiter refusing to serve food because it isn\'t Kosher.



wow... as a student of pharmacy, and having been employed in a pharmacy for almost 6 years, i\'d have to say this article really pisses me off...

... its not about the morals behind pharmacy, its about doing your damn job.... besides oral contraception isn\'t just for prevention of pregnancy -- women take horomone replacements for many other reasons (prevent seizures, etc...)... so the pharmacist\'s moral interventions are just plain ridiculous -- do your damn job....

we do, as pharmacists, have the right to refuse any prescription...and of course it upsets me to see these kids coming in literally every 2 weeks for a morning after pill -- but who are we to judge? we give them their medicine and send them on their way, no questions asked. that\'s the whole philosophy behind pharmacy as i\'ve been exposed to.... we try to give the patient as much information/guidance as we can... but that\'s our boundary...


It\'s easy to say do your job but the pharmicist was doing his job that\'s my point. The problem is the nebulous area of when does a life actually start? The pharmicist in question believes that stopping the fertilization process is akin to murder. Therefore he was doing his job as he feels life is important and did not want to take part in what he considered a murder.

One can not always just leave your beliefs at the door when it comes to healthcare and some other jobs. One is always in a position to teach/guide patients and it is usually left up to the individual how to do such instruction. There are many gray areas in healthcare and as can be seen from the court battles in place now the sides are strictly divided. Now was this guy overstepping his boundries in guidence? Probably but we do not know the community standard in the town this took place. If the general consensus of that community is that the pharmicist was correct than that is how it goes and will keep going that way.
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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2005, 08:14:40 pm »
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It\'s easy to say do your job but the pharmicist was doing his job that\'s my point. The problem is the nebulous area of when does a life actually start? The pharmicist in question believes that stopping the fertilization process is akin to murder. Therefore he was doing his job as he feels life is important and did not want to take part in what he considered a murder.

One can not always just leave your beliefs at the door when it comes to healthcare and some other jobs. One is always in a position to teach/guide patients and it is usually left up to the individual how to do such instruction. There are many gray areas in healthcare and as can be seen from the court battles in place now the sides are strictly divided. Now was this guy overstepping his boundries in guidence? Probably but we do not know the community standard in the town this took place. If the general consensus of that community is that the pharmicist was correct than that is how it goes and will keep going that way.



...indeed, one certainly cannot forget their beliefs regardless of the profession; however, that\'s part of the sacrifice one must make when placing yourself in the medical field.... especially when it involves dispensing a pill that must be taken 72 hours after unprotected sex to be effective... it was grossly unconstitutional to deny that woman her medication-- she had every right by state laws to obtain her prescription-- im personally horrified that there have actually been laws passed to defend pharmacists\' denial of *birth control* -- honestly you think with all the damn methadone and oxycontin we dispense, somebody would have a moral problem with the overwheliming epidemic of prescription junkies that we\'ve created...

... and honestly, its against my moral beliefs that 80-year-old men should be having sex, but i smile kindly and give them their viagra/levitra/cialis despite my personal convictions....
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2005, 08:15:54 pm »
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as a student of pharmacy, and having been employed in a pharmacy for almost 6 years

Were you at the Plantation Club last time??? Things are starting to fall into place now. :lol:



oh noooo todd you\'re onto me.... slipped ya a mickey :lol:
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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2005, 09:03:48 pm »
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...and of course it upsets me to see these kids coming in literally every 2 weeks for a morning after pill -- but who are we to judge?

that bothers me a lot...girls who will just keep going for the morning after pill as a form of contraception are morons..use a damn condom

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...and honestly, its against my moral beliefs that 80-year-old men should be having sex, but i smile kindly and give them their viagra/levitra/cialis despite my personal convictions....

probably the most disgusting thing i can think of right now..especially since i saw a door open to the men\'s locker room at the gym today and saw a nakey 70-80 year old\'s ass..REALLY REALLY NOT COOL

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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2005, 09:17:06 pm »
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...and honestly, its against my moral beliefs that 80-year-old men should be having sex, but i smile kindly and give them their viagra/levitra/cialis despite my personal convictions....

probably the most disgusting thing i can think of right now..especially since i saw a door open to the men\'s locker room at the gym today and saw a nakey 70-80 year old\'s ass..REALLY REALLY NOT COOL[/QUOTE]

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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2005, 09:21:44 pm »
the door was open!! i couldn\'t help it..besides, who wouldn\'t have?? i was hoping to see a cutie or something but it was more like rodney dangerfield (RIP)

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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2005, 09:26:54 pm »
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It\'s easy to say do your job but the pharmicist was doing his job that\'s my point. The problem is the nebulous area of when does a life actually start? The pharmicist in question believes that stopping the fertilization process is akin to murder. Therefore he was doing his job as he feels life is important and did not want to take part in what he considered a murder.

One can not always just leave your beliefs at the door when it comes to healthcare and some other jobs. One is always in a position to teach/guide patients and it is usually left up to the individual how to do such instruction. There are many gray areas in healthcare and as can be seen from the court battles in place now the sides are strictly divided. Now was this guy overstepping his boundries in guidence? Probably but we do not know the community standard in the town this took place. If the general consensus of that community is that the pharmicist was correct than that is how it goes and will keep going that way.



...indeed, one certainly cannot forget their beliefs regardless of the profession; however, that\'s part of the sacrifice one must make when placing yourself in the medical field.... especially when it involves dispensing a pill that must be taken 72 hours after unprotected sex to be effective... it was grossly unconstitutional to deny that woman her medication-- she had every right by state laws to obtain her prescription-- im personally horrified that there have actually been laws passed to defend pharmacists\' denial of *birth control* -- honestly you think with all the damn methadone and oxycontin we dispense, somebody would have a moral problem with the overwheliming epidemic of prescription junkies that we\'ve created...

... and honestly, its against my moral beliefs that 80-year-old men should be having sex, but i smile kindly and give them their viagra/levitra/cialis despite my personal convictions....


It was only unconstitional or illegal to do what he did being that it was the only pharmacy around and therefore he KNEW that the prescription was nontransferable to another pharmacy as his was the only one within a reasonable distance.
As for 80 yr old men having sex if you deemed it to be a health risk to the patient would you still give the Viagra to him? What if he obtained the scrip from a Dr. other than his normal Dr. because that Dr. told him \'have sex, your heart will explode\'.
Another Gray area it seems to me.
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2005, 10:16:02 pm »
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It was only unconstitional or illegal to do what he did being that it was the only pharmacy around and therefore he KNEW that the prescription was nontransferable to another pharmacy as his was the only one within a reasonable distance.


indeed the actual written law was violated ...  but in addition, the pharmacists\' code of ethics was violated ... when you become a professional in the medical field, you take upon the responsibility of making the right decision regardless of standing opinions and beliefs. this pharmacist served as a road block between the patient and her healthcare... the absolute antithesis of what a pharmacist is there for....

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As for 80 yr old men having sex if you deemed it to be a health risk to the patient would you still give the Viagra to him? What if he obtained the scrip from a Dr. other than his normal Dr. because that Dr. told him \'have sex, your heart will explode\'.
Another Gray area it seems to me.


....welcome to my job. it is the responsibility of the pharmacist to monitor things like that -- if the patient is taking drugs for congestive heart failure, then yes, they should not be getting viagra... we would not fill the prescription until we had an OK from the physician... had we dispensed a medication that knowingly would have caused fatality, and someone died, the pharmacist would be liable...

.. indeed this industry is *full* of gray areas which is why we go to school for 6 years to become pharmacists -- in addition to the scientific aspect of the industry, there are many more factors that go into this practice. in my studies there has been a tremendous focus on patient care and developing into professionals who can make competent decisions, based on the needs of the patient, rather than the pharmacist... the behavior of the pharmacist in this case fundamentally goes against everything i\'ve learned, which is why i found it so offensive...
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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2005, 11:25:20 pm »
Healthcare in the U.S. is too gray in too many areas that\'s why I stopped working in the system years ago and became a lighting designer.
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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2005, 02:23:59 pm »
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Healthcare in the U.S. is too gray in too many areas that\'s why I stopped working in the system years ago and became a lighting designer.




ha... excellent point :D
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