5-26-04 Cliffahan\'s on Wooster; ?Solo? Timmy

[oldnewbie]

i\'m just glad your back home where there is a washer and someone who knows how to use it

[Drew_Kingsley]

Originally posted by oldnewbie
i\'m just glad your back home where there is a washer and someone who knows how to use it

As am I and everybody who has to stand within 10 feet from me...

Anyway, watch out non-drinkers because Cliffy\'s gonna start charging us to be there sober.  I understand his point ("this isn\'t your living room") but it\'s advertised as a free show, so it\'s not exactly loitering to be there.  It wouldn\'t even have bothered me that he said something except that he did it only five minutes after we showed up, and I did actually plan on buying a some beers.

Cliff Cohen, bold opposer of the designated driver program since May 26th, 2004.

Have no fear, I\'ll still be there next week, cover or not.  It just pisses me off... especially since he included my brother and girlfriend in his comments as if they have been there every week.

[Stephengencs]

*Preshow Cliff goes to Drew and Crew and tells them that next week he will be charging a cover for the "unders".  I understand his reasoning, but thought he could have been more tactful.  

1: Jam>Simpleton Suite, Walk On The Wild Side, Riders On The Storm, Fearless, Starship Trooper*, QuestionMark and the Mind, Tangerine, Take Your Clothes Off When You Dance*>Whats the Ugliest Part of Your Body*, That Would Be Something, Faster Than A Porpoise, The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill, Your Sexy Ways@, Legend of a Mind, Boris The Spider, Hard Luck Harry

2: Castles Made of Sand, Dirty Love, Hits From The Bong, Spunk, EMGS%, ?_______?, A Day In The Life, SPLHCB%%>WALHFMF%%%>***%%%%, Fixing a Hole, Dig, Wish You Were Here>Breathe, The Grandmother Song, the big famous Green Day tune.

*Thanks to Paul Ryan for filling in the setlist holes

@ dedicated to Grace Slick

%Switch-a-Rooney on the setlist
%Rainy Day Woman (Everbody Must Get Stoned)
%% Sargent Pepper\'s Lonely Hearts Club Band
%%% With A Little Help From My Friends
%%%% Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

Another great wednesday night.  The night started slow and quiet but ended up with a nice Sgt Peppers Sing-a-Long

My personal jawdropping moments came in:Riders, SexyWays, Bungalow Bill, Legend Of A Mind,
SICK CASTLES MADE OF SAND JAM
The Sgt Peppers Sing-a-Long

Strictly Veteran.....

Madeline will not go too much longer without getting up for Ice Ice Baby!!!!

[ChrisF]

Originally posted by Drew_Kingsley

Have no fear, I\'ll still be there next week, cover or not.  It just pisses me off... especially since he included my brother and girlfriend in his comments as if they have been there every week.

That was rediculous. He was looking at me when he said it like i brought you guys in. I have been to Callahan\'s and Wooster Street about 30 times total between both restaurants, and the last 3 tim shows were the only times i went in there without buying anything. What he said was completely uncalled for and i will never purchase anything from his restaurant ever again.

[Stephengencs]

Originally posted by ChrisF
What he said was completely uncalled for and i will never purchase anything from his restaurant ever again.

That is a very strong point.  However, he is providing us with a place to see one of our favorite guitarists play all night.  We basically have free reign of the property as long as we remember that Cliffahans is NOT Callahans.

I am not saying that Cliff handeled the situation properly, because it was just poor judgement and choice of words on his part.  But I say we try to put that behind us (or wait to see what happens next week).

If you try to look at it from his side, he is trying to run a business.  Now the fact that he is converting it from a high end steak-house, to a casual bar/cafe with a serious live music vibe, lets give Cliffy the benefit of the doubt, and say that maybe he spent all day on the phone fighting off bill collectors and creditors.
I worked in the restaurant business for 6 years, and it is a very stressful environment whether your business is doing very well or extremely poorly....

Again, please do not misunderstand me,  I was completely embarassed by the display, and I attribute the quiet strangeness of the early first set to the mood that cliffy set with his rant.  But lets try to remember all that he has done for us SerHeads, Wild Pack Of AssCracks (and we are), or Ser People United with Nuggets and Kindness (SPUNKs)........

[ChrisF]

It wasnt what he said it was more of his tone. He directed it at me because he thought i brought people who were under 21. Its an 18+ show and he basically yelled at 18-19 year olds for not drinking and not voluntarily paying a cover charge that does not exist.

[Stephengencs]

Chris i completely understand where you are coming from.  Believe me, I almost fell out of my chair when I heard him start in.  I didnt realize he was looking at you, I thought it was all directed to Drew......

EITHER WAY....
Completely Uncalled For
BAD BAD FORM

But I choose to give him the benefit of the doubt on this particular incident.  Lets see how it plays out next week and into the future......

[ChrisF]

Originally posted by Stephengencs
Chris i completely understand where you are coming from.  Believe me, I almost fell out of my chair when I heard him start in.

Oh yeah, i forgot you were there. Now i remember you saying that you would drink for anyone who was not drinking and he said that was fine. I dont know why it makes a difference though because you would probably be drinking something the whole time anyway.

[oldnewbie]

Originally posted by ChrisF


Oh yeah, i forgot you were there. Now i remember you saying that you would drink for anyone who was not drinking and he said that was fine. I dont know why it makes a difference though because you would probably be drinking something the whole time anyway.

steve.....what  a guy

[Stephengencs]

Ha. Exactly.  I told Cliff in the middle of his tyrade, "what if the under 21\'s got a sponsor for the night that was over 21, and the sponsor is responsible for at least 2 extra drinks for thier underage counterpart?"

[oldnewbie]

two drinks?......you could just give him a fiver and be done with it

[oldnewbie]

seriously....stevie is right....give the guy a little room for a bad day.......he\'s been good to us and i\'m sure he can be made to see reason.....but i will also volunteer to "sponsor" someone.....that\'s the kind of guy i am

[ChrisF]

Originally posted by oldnewbie
two drinks?......you could just give him a fiver and be done with it

I am not giving him anything unless they card at the door and hand wristbands out to people that are over 21 and make everyone else pay. Either enforce it or don\'t. No one should be singled out. There were other people there who were not drinking and he didnt say a word to them.

[Drew_Kingsley]

I think it had a lot to do with the fact that, at this point, the night was looking like a doozie.  Sure, there were only four of us that he was talking to, but that was about 50% of the patrons at the time.

And as for the whole 21+ issue, Cliff thinks that I\'m of age, despite never being carded.  He has served me personally.  And the whole "sponsoring" somebody by buying them two drinks is fairly ridiculous.  In most cases, it\'s just two less drinks that the person is buying for himself.

With all personal vendettas aside, I understand that Cliff is running a business, and I\'ll gladly buy a few beers for some friends (or hand Cliff $10, he can\'t expect more than that as a cover) if it means that Timmy (and potentially The Breakfast) will be playing there in the future.

[ChrisF]

Originally posted by Drew_Kingsley
[Band I\'ll gladly buy a few beers for some friends (or hand Cliff $10, he can\'t expect more than that as a cover) if it means that Timmy (and potentially The Breakfast) will be playing there in the future. [/B]

Cliff is already making a fortune compared to what he would be making if tim was not playing at all. That $10 shouldn\'t go to cliff, it should go in Tim\'s tip cup.