No one freaking on the Healthcare Bill?

[skalnbyc]

Can we really only attribute skyrocketing costs to insurance companies for an extraordinarily unhealthy nation filled with preventable and costly ailments?  I have to subsidize every irresponsible fat fucker/a zillion preventable ills with prescription drugs & care and I\'m pissed.  Health care is getting very expensive/out of reach for the average person and I agree that something certainly has to give.  

Hey Zurflu, you\'re already subsidizing those irresponsible fat fuckers and the poor people that drive their cellphone wielding kids to school in fancy rimmed cars.

Who do you think is paying for those who can\'t cover their hospital tab?  Or the MONSTER CLAIM submitted to the insurance company because someone spends 3 months in the hospital for something that a healthy person probably could have shaken with over the counter meds?

You are.  

Why do you think your insurance premiums are going up 30% every year.

Maybe we should kill off the poor and unhealthy by not giving them healthcare... but then who would buy all those cellphones for their POOR FAT children to bring to school.

Oh trust me, I\'m aware of how it all tallies up, I\'m just disgusted by the irresponsible behaviors at all levels of involvement.

[SlimPickens]

Can we really only attribute skyrocketing costs to insurance companies for an extraordinarily unhealthy nation filled with preventable and costly ailments?  I have to subsidize every irresponsible fat fucker/a zillion preventable ills with prescription drugs & care and I\'m pissed.  Health care is getting very expensive/out of reach for the average person and I agree that something certainly has to give.  

Hey Zurflu, you\'re already subsidizing those irresponsible fat fuckers and the poor people that drive their cellphone wielding kids to school in fancy rimmed cars.

Who do you think is paying for those who can\'t cover their hospital tab?  Or the MONSTER CLAIM submitted to the insurance company because someone spends 3 months in the hospital for something that a healthy person probably could have shaken with over the counter meds?

You are.  

Why do you think your insurance premiums are going up 30% every year.

Maybe we should kill off the poor and unhealthy by not giving them healthcare... but then who would buy all those cellphones for their POOR FAT children to bring to school.

Oh trust me, I\'m aware of how it all tallies up, I\'m just disgusted by the irresponsible behaviors at all levels of involvement.

Japan, Switzerland, England... they were all able to improve the system by getting involved.  Control cost, encourage health over profits.

[skalnbyc]

He is a nannystate power grabber to the core and will steam roll/shut out the other party from any input like the worst of \'em.

well put.

And this differs from the previous administration, how?

How you doing, Slim?

doing real well Zurflu. You?

always good to have a WSJ.com reading Nazi like you in the mix in threads like this.

Hope you are still running/in wellness mode, since we\'re on the subject of health.

As a fiscal conservative I place a high priority on costs/personal responsibility in the debate.  Reminds me I\'ve got a few more sections to read, thanks!

[SkyePrizm]

He is a nannystate power grabber to the core and will steam roll/shut out the other party from any input like the worst of \'em.

well put.

And this differs from the previous administration, how?

it doesn\'t. and that\'s the problem. everyone voted for change.  but did we get it?  Nah, i don\'t think so.   same sinking ship.  just different captain.    like i said earlier, we need a political reform, not a healthcare reform.  we need politicians that are actually for the people not for making their pockets fat, or their cronies pockets fat.

[KEN RAFLOWITZ]

except that obama actively listened to the right and included 90% of their suggestions into the bill (well, had them put in). the right simply said, No. even after getting their way on most of their issues (like today\'s executive order banning the amount of federal funding from increasing under this new bill). the fact is, the right was unwilling to actually engage in the debate. you can\'t blame that on anyone but them. their ideas and suggestions (when they actually had any) were heeded and largely included. had they had any coherent alternatives that were outright ignored, then this argument would hold water. they never presented anything but objections. no bill of their own. no suggestions for how to achieve this legislation (again, that the majority of the country wants), just obstructionism. if you want to talk about brazen and unhelpful partisanship, mccain\'s statement that the facists will not do anything else all year is where you should be focusing your ire.

If I was smart, I would have written this.

[SlimPickens]

He is a nannystate power grabber to the core and will steam roll/shut out the other party from any input like the worst of \'em.

well put.

And this differs from the previous administration, how?

it doesn\'t. and that\'s the problem. everyone voted for change.  but did we get it?  Nah, i don\'t think so.   same sinking ship.  just different captain.    like i said earlier, we need a political reform, not a healthcare reform.  we need politicians that are actually for the people not for making their pockets fat, or their cronies pockets fat.

"Every generation thinks It\'s the end of the world" - wilco

Obama gave you one of the largest tax cuts in US history and getting everyone healthcare. That\'s pretty fuckin\' big change.

Open your eye\'s, which ever way the wind blows is going to make someone rich.  I\'d rather see people getting wealthy in the pursuit of a healthy country then fattening the pockets of a national war machine.

Hope you are still running/in wellness mode, since we\'re on the subject of health.

check Frontline "Sick around the world", it\'s a 2 sided look at different healthcare systems around the world.

ps

Still a fat bastard, but trying my best.  Just got in from my morning run and looking forward to getting the road bike out this weekend for the first ride of spring.

[SkyePrizm]

He is a nannystate power grabber to the core and will steam roll/shut out the other party from any input like the worst of \'em.

well put.

And this differs from the previous administration, how?

it doesn\'t. and that\'s the problem. everyone voted for change.  but did we get it?  Nah, i don\'t think so.   same sinking ship.  just different captain.    like i said earlier, we need a political reform, not a healthcare reform.  we need politicians that are actually for the people not for making their pockets fat, or their cronies pockets fat.

"Every generation thinks It\'s the end of the world" - wilco

Obama gave you one of the largest tax cuts in US history and getting everyone healthcare. That\'s pretty fuckin\' big change.

Open your eye\'s, which ever way the wind blows is going to make someone rich.  I\'d rather see people getting wealthy in the pursuit of a healthy country then fattening the pockets of a national war machine.

Using a Wilco quote in an arguement against me  touche.

I guess you are believing the Nancy Pelosi myth that diabetes and heart disease will be cured and wiped away.   Passing the healthcare bill will not make this country healthier.  You can\'t stop people from eating poorly or not exercising or for that matter, going to the doctor regularly.  Country will be just as sick as it always.   I did not have healthcare between the years 2004-2009.  Whenever I did go to the doctor, I paid out of pocket.  I had my first physical in 8 years two months ago.   If I had healthcare, would have I gone for regular check ups? Nah.   And I am sure there are a lot of twenty and thirty somethings that did and will do the same thing.  Healthcare Bill does not equal personal responsibility for one\'s self.  

In the end, we will still be at war.  we will still have diseases.  and we\'ll just have more taxes and debt.

And this change was for the good???

[SlimPickens]

Using a Wilco quote in an arguement against me  touche.

I guess you are believing the Nancy Pelosi myth that diabetes and heart disease will be cured and wiped away.   Passing the healthcare bill will not make this country healthier.  You can\'t stop people from eating poorly or not exercising or for that matter, going to the doctor regularly.  Country will be just as sick as it always.   I did not have healthcare between the years 2004-2009.  Whenever I did go to the doctor, I paid out of pocket.  I had my first physical in 8 years two months ago.   If I had healthcare, would have I gone for regular check ups? Nah.   And I am sure there are a lot of twenty and thirty somethings that did and will do the same thing.  Healthcare Bill does not equal personal responsibility for one\'s self.  

In the end, we will still be at war.  we will still have diseases.  and we\'ll just have more taxes and debt.

And this change was for the good???

You are a visionless naysayer.  Other countries have made this transitions, and their populations are better off because of it.  Why can\'t we do it?  Because it will be hard?  There will be arguments?  Bad choices? Old wealthy establishments will fall and new ones will rise?

GOOD.  

The current system is failing you!!  And you want to hold onto like some battered wife saying "he loves me and he\'ll change".

[zuke583]

Using a Wilco quote in an arguement against me  touche.

I guess you are believing the Nancy Pelosi myth that diabetes and heart disease will be cured and wiped away.   Passing the healthcare bill will not make this country healthier.  You can\'t stop people from eating poorly or not exercising or for that matter, going to the doctor regularly.  Country will be just as sick as it always.   I did not have healthcare between the years 2004-2009.  Whenever I did go to the doctor, I paid out of pocket.  I had my first physical in 8 years two months ago.   If I had healthcare, would have I gone for regular check ups? Nah.   And I am sure there are a lot of twenty and thirty somethings that did and will do the same thing.  Healthcare Bill does not equal personal responsibility for one\'s self.  

In the end, we will still be at war.  we will still have diseases.  and we\'ll just have more taxes and debt.

And this change was for the good???

You are a visionless naysayer.  Other countries have made this transitions, and their populations are better off because of it.  Why can\'t we do it?  Because it will be hard?  There will be arguments?  Bad choices? Old wealthy establishments will fall and new ones will rise?

it will fail because americans are lazier, stupider, fatter, and greedier than everyone else

[leith]

Not if they\'re stagehands! American Stagehands
kick ass over any others. Hardest working for sure!

[Vassillios]

Using a Wilco quote in an arguement against me  touche.

I guess you are believing the Nancy Pelosi myth that diabetes and heart disease will be cured and wiped away.   Passing the healthcare bill will not make this country healthier.  You can\'t stop people from eating poorly or not exercising or for that matter, going to the doctor regularly.  Country will be just as sick as it always.   I did not have healthcare between the years 2004-2009.  Whenever I did go to the doctor, I paid out of pocket.  I had my first physical in 8 years two months ago.   If I had healthcare, would have I gone for regular check ups? Nah.   And I am sure there are a lot of twenty and thirty somethings that did and will do the same thing.  Healthcare Bill does not equal personal responsibility for one\'s self.  

In the end, we will still be at war.  we will still have diseases.  and we\'ll just have more taxes and debt.

And this change was for the good???

You are a visionless naysayer.  Other countries have made this transitions, and their populations are better off because of it.  Why can\'t we do it?  Because it will be hard?  There will be arguments?  Bad choices? Old wealthy establishments will fall and new ones will rise?

GOOD.  

The current system is failing you!!  And you want to hold onto like some battered wife saying "he loves me and he\'ll change".

current system is perfectly fine with me. i don\'t see this bill making it any better. only will make it stay the same or worse.

[SlimPickens]

Using a Wilco quote in an arguement against me  touche.

I guess you are believing the Nancy Pelosi myth that diabetes and heart disease will be cured and wiped away.   Passing the healthcare bill will not make this country healthier.  You can\'t stop people from eating poorly or not exercising or for that matter, going to the doctor regularly.  Country will be just as sick as it always.   I did not have healthcare between the years 2004-2009.  Whenever I did go to the doctor, I paid out of pocket.  I had my first physical in 8 years two months ago.   If I had healthcare, would have I gone for regular check ups? Nah.   And I am sure there are a lot of twenty and thirty somethings that did and will do the same thing.  Healthcare Bill does not equal personal responsibility for one\'s self.  

In the end, we will still be at war.  we will still have diseases.  and we\'ll just have more taxes and debt.

And this change was for the good???

You are a visionless naysayer.  Other countries have made this transitions, and their populations are better off because of it.  Why can\'t we do it?  Because it will be hard?  There will be arguments?  Bad choices? Old wealthy establishments will fall and new ones will rise?

GOOD.  

The current system is failing you!!  And you want to hold onto like some battered wife saying "he loves me and he\'ll change".

current system is perfectly fine with me. i don\'t see this bill making it any better. only will make it stay the same or worse.

You have no problem paying so much more then other countries and getting an inferior product?

I don\'t know you, but that sounds like youthful ignorance to me.  Ten years ago I probably would have agreed with you.

The really hilarious part of this whole thread is that I work for an health insurance company, yet I\'m rooting for it\'s destruction.

go figure.

[SkyePrizm]

current system is perfectly fine with me. i don\'t see this bill making it any better. only will make it stay the same or worse.

Agreed.

[SlimPickens]

current system is perfectly fine with me. i don\'t see this bill making it any better. only will make it stay the same or worse.

Agreed.

If you realized how badly you were getting fucked by the current system...

...well, I guess ignorance is bliss.  Just pull your blinders down and go back to sleep.

[SkyePrizm]

I don\'t know you, but that sounds like youthful ignorance to me.  Ten years ago I probably would have agreed with you.

No youthful ignorance on my part. I am 31, hubs is going to be 33.  We own a home.  We are sick of being taxed to death and paying for other people\'s laziness, stupidity, and ignorance because we managed to get our lives together in our 20s so we could prosper in our 30s just to help carry the weight of irresponsible americans.  I think zuke said it best that we are just lazy and stupid and greedy as a country.   Our ancestors and our grandparents, great-grandparents suffered through such adversity. And all we do as the current generations is hold our hands out wanting more and more and more.  

Last time I checked we fought and won our independence so the government could not control every aspect of our lives.  But in a way, we are slowly handing over every little piece of it.

current system is perfectly fine with me. i don\'t see this bill making it any better. only will make it stay the same or worse.

Agreed.

If you realized how badly you were getting fucked by the current system...

...well, I guess ignorance is bliss.  Just pull your blinders down and go back to sleep.

But I am not getting fucked.  Maybe some are.  It all depends on your insurance plan.  We have good insurance that pays about 100% of everything.  I\'ve been to the doctor 8 times in the last two months and trust me, my insurance paid a lot and I got every cents worth.