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KEN RAFLOWITZ

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« on: February 11, 2010, 11:23:29 pm »
I was told by the band not to give out anymore free music.
It\'s an attempt for the band to generate some cash for all the shows they do.
Pretty much, hundreds of shows went out at no charge for the fans to enjoy.
I\'ll tape shows when I can. Copies will be given to the band audio/video crew,
and a few people who have done work for the band.
The band can decide what they want out and how to do it.
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 12:09:23 am »
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I was told by the band not to give out anymore free music.

:wah::eek::jawdrop::asskicked:idunno:

IMHO the mid finger should be pointed toward industry bureaucrats who drove the music scene underground, not towards the fans that feed hungry geniuses... I hope there is more to this, like a brilliant marketing scheme to release shows less than two months after (12/31/09)... srry but I\'m fired up over this ~ I love free music!!!

P.S. ,on a lighter note, GLuft: Dirty Dozen has been one of my favorite movies since I was a little one :)
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 07:31:49 pm »
If anyone has a brilliant marketing scheme, let\'s hear it!
Free music is great, if the musicians have already cashed in on what they do.
If not, the money has to come from somewhere!

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 08:13:52 pm »
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Free music is great, if the musicians have already cashed in on what they do.
If not, the money has to come from somewhere!


agreed.

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If anyone has a brilliant marketing scheme, let\'s hear it!


there are some really smart and fully professional people on .info; we just need organization and a concise goal (i.e. a band manager who posts on the internets [see "galenas" for definition of a motivated manager])
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2010, 08:18:45 pm »
the performance is the product...there\'s no giving it away. the recordings are free advertising.
take a big bite of the fruit of your labor

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 10:17:08 pm »
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the performance is the product...there\'s no giving it away. the recordings are free advertising.


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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 10:31:59 pm »
The free advertising has been for 11+ years!
People have money for their booze, their drugs, their Phish, their Moe, their Wierd Beards,
yet nobody has money for their Breakfast!
The Breakfast fans were given more free music than any other struggling band ever gave.
The Phish fans made Phish rich! Moe fans made Moe rich! Grateful Dead fans made them rich!
The Breakfast fans bitched about shows taking too long for free download!

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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 11:13:10 pm »
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The free advertising has been for 11+ years!
People have money for their booze, their drugs, their Phish, their Moe, their Wierd Beards,
yet nobody has money for their Breakfast!
The Breakfast fans were given more free music than any other struggling band ever gave.
The Phish fans made Phish rich! Moe fans made Moe rich! Grateful Dead fans made them rich!
The Breakfast fans bitched about shows taking too long for free download!

Agreed, but Phish, Moe., and the Dead reached out to all their fans. After supporting and paying to go to shows for 5+ years in the entire NE, paying for cd\'s, shirts, and posters. I feel I have been shafted by the band I loved for years and deserve a free NYE recording since that is all I will ever get because they don\'t tour. Fuck me if you think i\'m wrong, but I really don\'t care, thats how I feel.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 08:51:00 am »
People should appreciate all that has been given.
There is no reason for any callous feelings.
My point was, the main acts we spend small fortunes on for concerts, cd\'s, dvd\'s, tee shirts...made those musicians quite wealthy. The money is there.
When you\'re at a Phish show and go to the merch table, nobody gives you anything because you\'re a great fan and went to 500 shows and bought all their music and travelled all over the country for them for 15yrs. I believe Phish and Moe and most other main acts charge for downloading and viewing their shows. How about getting pissed at them?
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2010, 09:32:42 am »
Does every single person who has scored free music from this band or seen them for free own every single cd they have released and every single thing they have put up for sale at the merch table? If you don\'t, shame on you. This band as given 1000x compared to what they have received.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2010, 09:39:16 am »
I got a free beer from Tim once for all my taping and thousands of dvd\'s I gave out.
I still bought my own Breakfast hat, tee shirts and CD\'s!
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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2010, 10:49:11 am »
woa woa woa... people pay for Phish downloads?  really?

The Breakfast should open a download store thing like livephish.com or primuslive or the way sts9 does all their shows now too, if they are lookin\' to make some $ off the recordings.  I wouldn\'t be opposed to droppin\' a few bills to get a High-Quality recording of a Breakfast show.  If they are just AUD recordings though that is a little wack.

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The free advertising has been for 11+ years!
People have money for their booze, their drugs, their Phish, their Moe, their Wierd Beards,
yet nobody has money for their Breakfast!
The Breakfast fans were given more free music than any other struggling band ever gave.
The Phish fans made Phish rich! Moe fans made Moe rich! Grateful Dead fans made them rich!
The Breakfast fans bitched about shows taking too long for free download!


FWIW you may want to check http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=/metadata/creator

moe. clocks in @ 1829 recordings while the Breakfast is at 428.


It kinda sorta sounds like you are blaming the Breakfast\'s situation on their fans, which seems a good deal of a lot bit off-base.
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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2010, 12:31:51 pm »
well first of all, Thank You to Ken for hooking up some Kung Fu dvds, I plan on turning lots of people on to Fu by means of these discs.

secondly, to throw another perspective into the mix: throughout 2009 I was deep in debt; most of the breakfast shows I saw required rent money that was already late.  admittedly, I did spent far too much at the bar during each show, but that was to forget that I was putting myself deeper in debt.  Paying for a ticket or cover charge was an insignificant expense, the $60+ in gas, 8 hours of driving instead of working, and occasional hotel rooms were the major expenses.  I guess my point is that no one is to blame here, the fans are loyal and the band still has tons of potential.  who knows what could happen next?
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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2010, 12:48:17 pm »
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Quote from: KEN RAFLOWITZ;252440
The free advertising has been for 11+ years!
People have money for their booze, their drugs, their Phish, their Moe, their Wierd Beards,
yet nobody has money for their Breakfast!
The Breakfast fans were given more free music than any other struggling band ever gave.
The Phish fans made Phish rich! Moe fans made Moe rich! Grateful Dead fans made them rich!
The Breakfast fans bitched about shows taking too long for free download!


FWIW you may want to check http://www.archive.org/browse.php?collection=etree&field=/metadata/creator

moe. clocks in @ 1829 recordings while the Breakfast is at 428.


It kinda sorta sounds like you are blaming the Breakfast\'s situation on their fans, which seems a good deal of a lot bit off-base.


Thank you for pointing that out, that is why my post is soo defensive. It does seem like an attack. But bottom line is the there are loyal fans who have been there for years, but it is simply not enough. The B\'fam as I USED to call it has gone above and beyond trying to help the band. Now its time for the band to help themselves.
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2010, 01:03:47 pm »
Just stirring up some buzz, folks!
p.s. It worked!

Phish ticket, $45 to $400.
Moe ticket, $45 to $300.
The Breakfast ticket, $8 to $15.
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