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« Reply #120 on: May 22, 2010, 07:04:43 pm »
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does anyone know when it will be rerun on a weeknight?


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« Reply #121 on: May 22, 2010, 11:16:59 pm »
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what does desmond\'s ability to withstand electromagnetism have to do with him being the fail safe option?


my guess is that this ability will allow him to enter the heart of the island unaffected.  what application that will have, i don\'t have any idea.
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« Reply #122 on: May 23, 2010, 08:27:42 am »
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what does desmond\'s ability to withstand electromagnetism have to do with him being the fail safe option?


my guess is that this ability will allow him to enter the heart of the island unaffected.  what application that will have, i don\'t have any idea.


my guess is if he enters the heart he will somehow have the ability to blow up the island
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« Reply #123 on: May 24, 2010, 08:01:37 am »
what was the point to that show? worst ending ever. why the island? polar bears? temple? etc......horrible
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« Reply #124 on: May 24, 2010, 08:49:53 am »
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what was the point to that show? worst ending ever. why the island? polar bears? temple? etc......horrible


the island was the "cork" and contained the "source"...there was an episode about it a couple weeks ago. you should check it out

the polar bears (totally irrelevant to the overall story line and probably not a real focal point of the creators) were probably in the dharma zoo or whatever that place was

the temple seemed like a place of worship/protection for the inhabitants of the island
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« Reply #125 on: May 24, 2010, 09:17:19 am »
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what was the point to that show? worst ending ever. why the island? polar bears? temple? etc......horrible


the polar bears (totally irrelevant to the overall story line and probably not a real focal point of the creators) were probably in the dharma zoo or whatever that place was


Polar Bears = brough onto the island to be trained to push/pull the donkey wheel.  If you remember the chamber that housed the donkey wheel was very cold and the wheel itself was hard to turn.  Dharma brought in bears to turn the wheel.  That is why when we meet The Red Head chick (name escapes me right now) she is in the Tunesian desert (spot where you go when you turn the donkey wheel) uncovering polar bear bones.

I have a few thoughts about the series that I will post later today or this week.
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« Reply #126 on: May 24, 2010, 09:33:50 am »
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what was the point to that show? worst ending ever. why the island? polar bears? temple? etc......horrible


the polar bears (totally irrelevant to the overall story line and probably not a real focal point of the creators) were probably in the dharma zoo or whatever that place was


Polar Bears = brough onto the island to be trained to push/pull the donkey wheel.  If you remember the chamber that housed the donkey wheel was very cold and the wheel itself was hard to turn.  Dharma brought in bears to turn the wheel.  That is why when we meet The Red Head chick (name escapes me right now) she is in the Tunesian desert (spot where you go when you turn the donkey wheel) uncovering polar bear bones.

I have a few thoughts about the series that I will post later today or this week.


i\'ve heard that too, but if a re-crippled locke and ben linus can turn it (relatively) easily, did they really need to ship in polar bears to do it? either way, the polar bear explanation was not something that deserved time...not during this season anyway. i would have liked to get some sort of closure/answer to walt, libby, and faraday (and maybe a couple other characters), but i was really impressed with the way they were able to tie up the series using both real and mystical conclusions. also, i was surprisingly touched by some of the reunions (jin & sun, sawyer & juliette, kate & her hot ass black dress)
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« Reply #127 on: May 24, 2010, 10:14:07 am »
not the best conclusion, as it focused on the characters rather than mythology of the island, but my epectations were pretty high. figured i would be let down. i wanted a cliffhanger ending where we still don\'t know what the fuck is going on, smokey wins, something crazy and unexpected. but whatever, they went with the typical happy ending, and it all came down to going to heaven. sweet. thanks for making us curious about egyptian sculptures and ancient magic and not describing a damn thing about it.
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« Reply #128 on: May 25, 2010, 10:31:32 am »
Pretty Good synopsis here from someone claiming to be a writer for the show

http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.com/2010/05/someone-from-bad-robots-take-on-finale.html

"Good stuff on here! I can finally throw in my two cents! I\'ve had to bite my tongue for far too long. Also, hopefully I can answer some of John\'s questions about Dharma and the "pointless breadcrumbs" that really, weren\'t so pointless ...

First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people\'s heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn\'t the first, Hurley won\'t be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob\'s plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn\'t do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn\'t take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I\'m not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben\'s "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that\'s what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn\'t do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB\'s corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That\'s a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma\'s purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it\'s pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn\'t. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that\'s how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won\'t answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he\'d always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we\'ll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer\'s room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we\'re all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it\'s not exactly the best word). But these people we\'re linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It\'s loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show\'s concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That\'s a beautiful notion. Even if you aren\'t religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It\'s a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that\'s what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that\'s THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer\'s took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn\'t allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley\'s case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren\'t in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn\'t in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here\'s where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It\'s possible that those links aren\'t people from the island but from their other life (Anna\'s parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou\'s husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn\'t go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can\'t move on yet because he hasn\'t connected with the people he needs to. It\'s going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley\'s number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It\'s really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben\'s not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn\'t believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It\'s pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ\'s ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I\'ve been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I\'ve loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don\'t touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding."
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« Reply #129 on: May 25, 2010, 11:06:38 am »
that\'s a good analysis. i can buy all of that. ultimately, i have a hard time with the sideways ending because i was really rooting (and continue to root for) science vs. faith. i am not spiritual at all, and i don\'t really believe in fate or soulmates (or souls for that matter) so that ending seems a little soft. it was done well and i really respect that they stuck to their main themes throughout the course of the show. i\'m going to miss lost
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« Reply #130 on: May 25, 2010, 11:11:04 am »
that helps make sense of this a lot, but still there are so many unanswered questions
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« Reply #131 on: May 25, 2010, 11:33:17 am »
there\'s a lot of holes in that (why were desomnd and penny at the end church party, for instance), but not bad in general. still doesn\'t explain why so many things were ignore and then negated... like seasons 4 and 5 now simply don\'t matter.... once mib was killed, there really wasn\'t any reason to save the island (wouldn\'t it be safer on the floor of the ocean and wouldn\'t everyone have died sooner, thus getting to move on that much quicker?!), not to mention that little thing where there\'s this island that inexplicably moves throughout time and space....

i thought it was a good seaon finally, but i think it fell pretty short as a series finale. way too many gaps that could have been filled while still wrapping up the characters\' stories. i don\'t need gift wrapped, spoon fed how\'s, but why\'s would have been nice...

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« Reply #132 on: May 25, 2010, 11:51:13 am »
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once mib was killed, there really wasn\'t any reason to save the island (wouldn\'t it be safer on the floor of the ocean and wouldn\'t everyone have died sooner, thus getting to move on that much quicker?!), not to mention that little thing where there\'s this island that inexplicably moves throughout time and space....


Jacob\'s goal was protecting the island, not ensuring safe passage to the next life for the LOSTIES.  I\'m sure he was happy that the LOSTIES got to move on, but that was never his purpose to bringing them to the island.  He brought them to the island to protect it.

The time and space part is just another mystery that never got answered.  Just like the numbers, hyrogliphics, temple, etc...
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« Reply #133 on: May 25, 2010, 12:25:04 pm »
1) sure, and wouldn\'t the island be safe at the bottom of the ocean? no one could really bother it all that much down there, after all...

2) the show wasn\'t about jacob, it was about jack (and the losties). sure, jacob may have been let down, but in terms of the show\'s apparent storyline, the island wasn\'t that important, other than to bring them together to bond. hell, any island could have worked, they didn\'t need a special mystical island that never got explained, as it turns out. so, other than just being \'cool\' stuff to draw in viewers, all the sci-fi stuff people actually talked about were all just red herrings to up/maintain viewership. which is disappointing. (and from a writing standpoint, lazy - if its irrelevant, but you still need it to keep people watching, then you should write better other stuff - see season 3 when it was all about the love triangles/banging in cages when everyone stopped liking the show and wanted them to get back to the mindfucks...)

 but i\'m just disappointed that they left so many things untouched and seemingly made so much of the show irrelevant. i kinda feel manipulated. but i\'m sure i\'ll get over it.


(also, the numbers were explained in that summer thing no one paid any attention to (at least, i didn\'t at the time)...
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Numbers)

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« Reply #134 on: May 25, 2010, 01:15:31 pm »
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1) sure, and wouldn\'t the island be safe at the bottom of the ocean? no one could really bother it all that much down there, after all...

2) the show wasn\'t about jacob, it was about jack (and the losties). sure, jacob may have been let down, but in terms of the show\'s apparent storyline, the island wasn\'t that important, other than to bring them together to bond. hell, any island could have worked, they didn\'t need a special mystical island that never got explained, as it turns out. so, other than just being \'cool\' stuff to draw in viewers, all the sci-fi stuff people actually talked about were all just red herrings to up/maintain viewership. which is disappointing. (and from a writing standpoint, lazy - if its irrelevant, but you still need it to keep people watching, then you should write better other stuff - see season 3 when it was all about the love triangles/banging in cages when everyone stopped liking the show and wanted them to get back to the mindfucks...)

 but i\'m just disappointed that they left so many things untouched and seemingly made so much of the show irrelevant. i kinda feel manipulated. but i\'m sure i\'ll get over it.


(also, the numbers were explained in that summer thing no one paid any attention to (at least, i didn\'t at the time)...
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Numbers)


i agree and sort of feel the same way.

Still glad I followed this show all the way through, but I do wish there was some more payoff with the sci-fi/mysticism elements
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