The Breakfast: Live As Is

[Whineberg]

I would love to purchase FLAC files, Mr. Jimmy.

[booztravlr]

This is the top item in the Newswire section on the homepage of jambase.com

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/19658/The-Breakfast-Live-Album.Tour

Nice write up!

[bdfreetuna]

Damn, nice write up indeed.

Now errbody go represent the B-team in the comments on jambase... don\'t get too many chances now do we

[Gordo]

This album is awesome. It\'s so nice to listen to top-notch sound quality Breakfast.

Listening to it, I kept wondering why this can\'t happen more often? I\'m really asking WHY, not complaining or anything. How do logistics as far as time and money go into mixing a live show at this high quality? Cobb, I\'m expecting answers from you obviously. Thanks!

[frolfer]

Hmmm, maybe its just me, but I don\'t think the album and the archive recording sound the same. The archive one is great; there is a nice balance of sbd clarity and live ambiance that make a good matrix, to me. Live As Is is more clear. The separation of instruments is sweet. Chris\' bass lines are full and clear and the vox sound nice, loud and present.

One thing I really dig that I wish made it to the album is the little jam that precedes CMSS. That groove swoops around me and lifts me high, oh so high.

[leith]

sounds exactly like the link i got from archive or wherever.   great shit but you guys must be smokin deemsters (leith)  if you think this is that unreal.   dont get me wrong im stoked as fuck they got a new release and it sounds amazing.  was hoping they dubbed the lyrics but obviously live as it means what it says.   thanks for the release tho bfast sounds great

Of course it sounds the same to you.
You\'re so full of shit your inner ear canals are blocked.

Dude the recording on archive:
DOES NOT HAVE THE CLEAN SOUND EVIDENCED ON LIVE AS IS.

IT DOES NOT HAVE THE BALANCE OF VOCALS SO CLEAR YOU CAN HEAR WHAT IS BEING SUNG BY WHO.

IT DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE LITTLE THINGS DONE BY JORDAN BROUGHT UP IN THE MIX SO THE JAMS SOUND EVEN FULLER THAN BEFORE.

IT DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE LITTLE THINGS DONE BY ADRIAN BROUGHT UP IN THE MIX.

IT DOESN\'T HAVE THE FULL BASS LOW NOTES PUSHED A BIT FURTHER.

It\'s a great recording but not as clean and revelatory as Live As Is.

[GLuft3]

I would agree with Leith--without all the shouting.  Jim Cobb did a great job with the mix.  I\'d still like some FLAC files, though...

[Jim Cobb]

This album is awesome. It\'s so nice to listen to top-notch sound quality Breakfast.

Listening to it, I kept wondering why this can\'t happen more often? I\'m really asking WHY, not complaining or anything. How do logistics as far as time and money go into mixing a live show at this high quality? Cobb, I\'m expecting answers from you obviously. Thanks!

well the big issue is money.  if i were to mix a live record like this for anyone else i\'d have to ask at the very least a thousand dollars for my time, maybe more.  needless to say, i didn\'t ask for that from the breakfast for this record.  the studio where i mixed it would normally cost a couple grand for the day, but i know the studio owner and swung a killer rate.  tracking the show was apparently relatively inexpensive, but that\'s the easy part.  i mean everything\'s getting mic\'d up anyway, so all you need to do is take prefader feeds from each of the tracks.

what WOULD be more feasible would be to multitrack a whole lot of shows, but only spend the money to mix the REAL gems.  i hope this answered your question.

as for FLAC files, without the okay from the band, i can\'t give that out, but once they give the word, i\'d be happy to provide a DL link to anyone that can show me proof of purchase.

thanks for all the kind words, guys.  i\'m really happy about how this record came out.

[GLuft3]

Thanks for filling in the details, Jim.

I\'ll PM the boys to ask about the FLAC files--in case they don\'t see it here.

[Gordo]

This album is awesome. It\'s so nice to listen to top-notch sound quality Breakfast.

Listening to it, I kept wondering why this can\'t happen more often? I\'m really asking WHY, not complaining or anything. How do logistics as far as time and money go into mixing a live show at this high quality? Cobb, I\'m expecting answers from you obviously. Thanks!

well the big issue is money.  if i were to mix a live record like this for anyone else i\'d have to ask at the very least a thousand dollars for my time, maybe more.  needless to say, i didn\'t ask for that from the breakfast for this record.  the studio where i mixed it would normally cost a couple grand for the day, but i know the studio owner and swung a killer rate.  tracking the show was apparently relatively inexpensive, but that\'s the easy part.  i mean everything\'s getting mic\'d up anyway, so all you need to do is take prefader feeds from each of the tracks.

what WOULD be more feasible would be to multitrack a whole lot of shows, but only spend the money to mix the REAL gems.  i hope this answered your question.

as for FLAC files, without the okay from the band, i can\'t give that out, but once they give the word, i\'d be happy to provide a DL link to anyone that can show me proof of purchase.

thanks for all the kind words, guys.  i\'m really happy about how this record came out.

It does answer my question. Thanks. My main reason for asking was in considering the REAL gems too, such as the epic Iron Horse HLH, MFD @ Strange Creek this year...

Come end of the year that would be sick if the sound techy guys on .info could make an Ultimate Breakfast compilation (possibly based off the Jam of the Year threads) a la the Ultimate Phish bizz.

I guess just having a fresh taste of some high quality live recordings makes me want so much more. Still love listening to live TB no matter what the level of quality (which by the way is still very high with the team we have) but this type of clarity is really something I long for.

And of course I mean doing this in the cheapest manner possible. Not looking for everything to come out AS clean as this, but at least a mix where all instruments have equal juice.

[bdfreetuna]

what WOULD be more feasible would be to multitrack a whole lot of shows, but only spend the money to mix the REAL gems.

Yeah I\'ll bring my Zoom H4N rig along to a bunch of the upcoming shows. And get a bigger memory card for it and find the AC Adapter. Matt or Chris can do whatever they gotta do with it (remember it can take 2 XLR mics + 2 built in condensers... but I don\'t have XLR mics so if you want to take full advantage of it you guys are gonna need to bring those along).

Strange Creek 2009 would fit on a single CD, right? Any way to cheaply pimp out the sound of this recording (I think it sounds great already...) and make a bootleg for merch? Like if somebody\'s got one of those Lightscribe CD burners and feels like ponying up for bulk CDs and jewel cases I don\'t see how this would cost very much at all.

as for FLAC files, without the okay from the band, i can\'t give that out, but once they give the word, i\'d be happy to provide a DL link to anyone that can show me proof of purchase.

Weird, don\'t see why they wouldn\'t want it to sound as crisp as possible?

thanks for all the kind words, guys.  i\'m really happy about how this record came out.

Yeah Jim, it sounds super clear, great job. Nice job making it sound fully surround soundy and all the instruments stand out real well.

[Gordo]

what WOULD be more feasible would be to multitrack a whole lot of shows, but only spend the money to mix the REAL gems.

Yeah I\'ll bring my Zoom H4N rig along to a bunch of the upcoming shows. And get a bigger memory card for it and find the AC Adapter. Matt or Chris can do whatever they gotta do with it (remember it can take 2 XLR mics + 2 built in condensers... but I don\'t have XLR mics so if you want to take full advantage of it you guys are gonna need to bring those along).

Strange Creek 2009 would fit on a single CD, right? Any way to cheaply pimp out the sound of this recording (I think it sounds great already...) and make a bootleg for merch? Like if somebody\'s got one of those Lightscribe CD burners and feels like ponying up for bulk CDs and jewel cases I don\'t see how this would cost very much at all.

as for FLAC files, without the okay from the band, i can\'t give that out, but once they give the word, i\'d be happy to provide a DL link to anyone that can show me proof of purchase.

Weird, don\'t see why they wouldn\'t want it to sound as crisp as possible?

thanks for all the kind words, guys.  i\'m really happy about how this record came out.

Yeah Jim, it sounds super clear, great job. Nice job making it sound fully surround soundy and all the instruments stand out real well.

See I was thinking just cheap downloads. The hard materials become wasteful, but if you have a $5 download/each for like 4 or 5 Ultimate Breakfast discs, I don\'t see how they\'d lose any money. Maybe not make a lot, but not lose any through material. I could be off, not sure how all this shit works, but to a novice merchandising guy it makes sense.

[bdfreetuna]

Agreed. Something like Live Phish releases.... maybe the AV crew\'s gear + my Zoom which you can plug into the soundboard or use 4 mics with, either way, they seemed to think if I got a big memory card for this unit we could get some pretty pimp recordings.

Then again I love archive.org ... maybe put a bit more touching up and multi-source mixing into the best shows that are worth charging to hear?

I dunno. I\'ll just bring my gear along and see if it actually makes the recordings sound noticeably better. I think Fitzy and Matt have been producing some stellar quality recordings lately but I assume this can only help :shrug:

[GLuft3]

Tuna, how do you like the H4N?  I want one for my birthday!

[kindm's]

HELL OF A F-ING JOB JIM!!!!!!!!

About f-ing time

The VR-2\'s are loving it.