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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2009, 12:49:53 pm »
I\'M SO PISSED!!!!!!

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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2009, 01:21:20 pm »
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I\'M SO PISSED!!!!!!


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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2009, 01:48:14 pm »
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pure speculation. bands don\'t sell tickets at their own established price as it is. there hasn\'t been any such thing as "face value" for years. shit, i\'d rather pay $100 for a ticket that says $100 on it than pay that same amount for a ticket that just happens to say $70.


Of course it\'s speculation...nothing has happened yet.  And band\'s absolutely have a say in the established ticket price.  You don\'t think TM/LN would have had tickets going for a higher price if they set it?  Phish is still able to set a reasonable price with tickets because there are still options with the venues they choose to play...albeit not much of a choice.
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2009, 01:56:07 pm »
what i\'m saying is that price means nothing since you will never pay it. you pay that price plus whatever amount of fees TM/LN want to tack on to your order anyways.

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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2009, 01:59:45 pm »
wonder how much phish actually gets out of the 49.50, maybe 20 bucks per ticket (I\'m guessing that is high)
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2009, 02:26:50 pm »
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wonder how much phish actually gets out of the 49.50, maybe 20 bucks per ticket (I\'m guessing that is high)


The band usually receives about 60% of ticket price ($29.70 of the $49.50), but only pockets about 35% after expenses. ($17.32).
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2009, 02:34:08 pm »
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But if ticket price set themselves at $100 as a standard, TM/LN is going to add another $15-$30 service charges and now people are being price-guaged when they want to go to a show.


That might be true, but it really doesn\'t make a difference.  The tickets face value could be $5 with a $130 transaction fee...if supply meets demand at $130, then that\'s what they will be sold on-line for.

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what i\'m saying is that price means nothing since you will never pay it. you pay that price plus whatever amount of fees TM/LN want to tack on to your order anyways.


Exactly, but again I don\'t think it matters where the line is drawn between ticket price and charges...as long as the tickets are being exclusively distributed through one ticket agency you are still paying the same amount.

There is a line that can be drawn somewhere between current face value and let\'s say the TicketsNow price that would discourage scalpers and people looking to make a buck on the secondary market.  It\'s hard to gauge what that price tag would be for every band, but if LN would charge $120 (w/ fees) for Phish (for example), that would signficantly decrease demand during the on-sale date and subsequently in the secondary market.

This would of course hurt the average Phish fan who could not afford such a high price tag, but I don\'t think Phish can cater to that fan anymore.  They have become too large to try to help out with reasonably priced tickets.  It\'s a nice gesture, but again, they end up creating this secondary market for scalpers.  Their best bet to discourage scalping at this point is charging more for their tickets
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2009, 03:05:20 pm »
yea fuck this.  having one company with a total monopoly of live music ticketing is NOT a good thing.

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2009, 03:07:37 pm »
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Their best bet to discourage scalping at this point is charging more for their tickets


The sad reality of it all, I guess.
Is this why Dead/Hartford - nosebleed seats behind the stage - are going for about $80???

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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2009, 03:17:51 pm »
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I feel like this is the merging of one giant evil empire.

Isn\'t live nation somehow affiliated with Clear Channel as well?
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yea fuck this.  having one company with a total monopoly of live music ticketing is NOT a good thing.

I guess we\'ll just have to wait and see how this plays out but I have a bad feeling about it too.

Live Nation just needed a better website that could handle the large amounts of traffic that a band like Phish is capable of attracting. I\'m sure they could\'ve figured this shit out with out merging with Ticket bastard.
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2009, 04:14:35 pm »
yes.  live nation is part of clear channel

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2009, 04:32:48 pm »
Stop buying tickets. The message will be sent.

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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2009, 05:04:48 pm »
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Stop buying tickets. The message will be sent. .


I skipped a show Saturday night because I did not think Ticketmaster\'s 50% premium upon the $20 ticket was reasonable.  I\'ve got a bunch of shows to see coming up at The Fillmore and I\'m purposely going to visit their box office (maybe turn a bike ride into a ticket ride) to avoid $60 or more in fees.  

Ticketweb generally charges $4-5 for fees on a $20 ticket and I do not balk at that.
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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2009, 05:40:09 pm »
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2009, 08:11:32 pm »
From a price standpoint it doesn\'t matter who sells the tickets.  You will pay for your passion to see your favorite bands and teams.  It\'s your weakness and weakness is expensive, just accept it.  Until they start building 250,000 seat arenas or having concerts on NASCAR tracks, demand will always far exceed supply for big acts.  You can\'t complain about the nature of fundamental economics any more than you can complain about the sky being blue, or water being bland, or gravity pulling you down when you jump.  I don\'t like TM or LN, but remember that they cannot possibly be ripping people off at any show that sells out.  Fork over the dough or shut up.  :)  And here\'s a wild theory that I don\'t like to say and nobody wants to hear but it\'s probably true, think about this for a few minutes after your initial reaction passes: If there were no ticket company at all and every venue handled all their own tickets with their own rules...things would be much worse.

Yes, it hurts knowing that 18,000 people could afford the price and you couldn\'t.  But do you complain that a Lexus is priced too high, or dinner at L\'Espalier?  No, because we understand that these are luxury items for someone other than ourselves, yet we feel entitled to tickets.  But tickets are no different.  Tickets are luxury items, the playthings of the privileged so long as there is demand for them.  Hey, somewhere someone is hurt knowing that you can afford food and clothing and they can\'t.  Hopefully you\'re not them.    

 
All you can do is hope that the new merged entity will have a better online system than LN did for Phish, and good customer service if you need it.  As a monopolistic conglomerate, this new company is under no pressure to provide these things and thus they are unlikely to happen.  Again, you will pay for your passion, this time in discomfort rather than dollars.  Again, tough noogies.  Suck it up or don\'t, but don\'t complain.  You know what you\'re signing up for, there are no surprises.  Sometimes I suck it up, sometimes I decide it\'s not worth it.    

Just establish some guidelines for yourself so you never end up disappointed.  Here are some of mine:

1.  For the vast majority of the time, only get tickets to games or shows that you can buy with minimal effort at face value, and choose events that are easy to get to.  (e.g. Umphrey\'s at House of Blues, Of Montreal at Paradise, New Britain Rock Cats, BU Hockey).  
2.  Be a fan of secondary leagues and bands, (e.g. The Breakfast, college or minor league sports, Major League Soccer) as they are easy to access and just as rewarding if you truly like them.  
3.  When going after a tough onsale, no getting disappoitned if you get shut out.  (e.g. Red Sox, Phish)  You can only treat it as a bonus if you get in, not as a downer when you get shut out.
4.  Never pay over face unless the event fits one of the following:
     A. Quite reasonably a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity (e.g. Patriots in the Super Bowl)
     B. Monumental enough that you can reasonably assume before the event that any true fan would instantly be able to recall the details of the event for the rest of their life (e.g. Phish comeback in Hampton, any Game 7)
5.  If either A or B applies and you can afford the event without incurring debt, grow a pair and fucking do it no matter what the cost.  

These are just what work for me, I\'m not saying everyone should do these.  I would encourage everyone to take a look at #4 and establish your own parameters, it\'s a key question for all fanatical people such as us.
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