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« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2008, 12:31:20 pm »
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For the record.. the only "hit" they took for dropping Psychedelic from the Moniker happened in this immediate fan base. On all other levels going to the Breakfast was 100% the smartest thing they have done to help their careers.

Now don\'t misunderstand me. I DO NOT want the Breakfast to cease but if things become unsustainable... starting a new group with these musicians would still demand a listen from anyone appreciative of SER music.

As far as the Iron Horse shows... I wasn\'t there but logic dictates that the 1st run w/ a new member who has had little time to really learn the songs coupled with the fact that there was a theme... Maybe not the best time to intoduce a new fan. If someone is that turned off to never give em another shot... Fuck em! We don\'t need them around here anyway. Tell them to wait for the next Deep Banana Blackout reunion.


Speaking to your first point, that "hit" is exactly what I meant... in terms of fanbase. Can The Breakfast afford to lose more fans? I guess that\'s not a question for me to answer.

To your second point... there is so much SER music out there that people don\'t even know about. If certain members of The Breakfast were to start a new group they\'d have a few .info kids there but that\'s it. Talk about starting from the ground up?

And yeah I wish I could have dragged that many people out to Sully\'s or something but (unfortunately?) I live in Northampton and that\'s where my crew is at. So that\'s just the way it worked out. Since Matt stepped into the band pretty well right off the bat (yes I was there Vibes 07, he sounded great) and Dangle was wicked ser from the first note I was pretty optimistic that Stoops would be great as well.

To your last point. You may say you don\'t need \'em around here anyway. But I disagree. Maybe you don\'t know these kids, a lot of \'em are my festie crew and for the record they are absolutely dedicated fans to whatever bands they like. But now they\'re back on Bisco / Umphreys / Bassnectar / STS9 / DSO / Phil / Bobby / P-Groove (not RAQ, I don\'t know anyone who thinks they don\'t suck lol) tour and the only way they\'ll see Breakfast again is if they happen to camp out next to whatever stage Breakfast is playing at, and they are too fucked up to wander elsewhere. That\'s the truth. If Breakfast had put on a SER show at Iron Horse I could almost guarantee you a sell out for the next show and I doubt they would be playing at Iron Horse much longer.

After years of being the only one in my crew who gives a shite about Breakfast other than "oh yeah, their guitar player is pretty good but not as good as Jake Cinneger" I gave the band the best opp since Butterfield to win new fans in western Mass and it was totally blown.

Maybe you\'re right and they don\'t need these fans. Depends if Breakfast wants to play Sully\'s for life.


A "hit" round here isn\'t really a hit. We are die hard and we\'ll all be here no matter what. (maybe not you from the sound of it.. but most of us)
Being sentenced to Max Ceekdom is the band = of purgatory and the seeds for that have been sewn for years. This current crisis is not the catalyst.

I agree with Ryan.. I can\'t imagine the shows were as bad as you are making them out to be

I would NEVER say they don\'t need new fans but geez.. should they pander to few heads at 1 show. I wasn\'t crazy about the choice of themes but whatever.. they are kind of dorks ( i say this with the most affection for their dorkiness) and that\'s what they decided to do. It just so happens that you bring some peeps and they don\'t dig it. For you to say that
"the only way they\'ll see Breakfast again is if they happen to camp out next to whatever stage Breakfast is playing at, and they are too fucked up to wander elsewhere. That\'s the truth." Speaks to the kind of music snobbery that has been part of the problem since the bands inception.

If you want the truth..The name Psychedelic Breakfast was the biggest road block they ever faced coupled with a bullshit secondary market like CT. When they should have been thriving in the wave of the jamband movement ..we were being told promoters and fans alike wouldn\'t even listen because of the name. This band scratched and clawed  their way to every good thing that happened. (correction: Someone scratched and clawed on their behalf but whatever..) It was brutally difficult and to be frank.. their work ethic wasn\'t always the best either... I digress.. flash forward..

Benevento Russo have like 3 bands.. MMW has a few ... members of Phish have other projects.. Biscuits, Umphrey\'s, Particle, the list goes on. The bands that do this not only start with a leg up but also expand the fan base immediately. Not that this is  happening but no big E if it did. It would probably be slammin and some of those snobs would come back and listen cause the name would be something cool like.. TOMATOTRON :D

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« Reply #91 on: November 13, 2008, 12:33:37 pm »
i for one love the music this band makes.

i\'d agree the cartoon theme seemed a bit trite. i don\'t think bdfree is being \'gay\' whatsoever.  he\'s saying he loves the band very much but he doesn\'t agree with an \'artistic\' choice they made.  that\'s ok. i didn\'t think it was their best career move either to be honest, but i saw it as a relatively fun, yet corny theme.  i was at the oberlin show, saw the band soundcheck, showing stoops around etc. and i thought for only a few days of practice, they handled the whole situation well.

that being said, people i met that weekend after the show for the most part said verbatim, \'man that band was so silly\'.  that was their reaction to the band we love so much on this board.

i think that everyone here understands the brilliance of a musician like tim and knows they he will in the end make some sort of decision in the right direction..(same goes for the other members). i really dislike uncertainty when it comes to the breakfast.  not having a foreseeable album and no set band is very concerning.  however, i guess it can also add an element of surprise, ie: sit ins.  let\'s just hope that the music stays alive one way or another.
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« Reply #92 on: November 13, 2008, 12:35:38 pm »
peaches I don\'t get your problem kid. We all have different opinions on this shit. If you have one, state it. If not, shut the fuck up.

Yea I may be a little emotional about this issue. Pardon me. I probably had 40 shows under my belt by the time you even heard of the band and began your campaign of non-stop fanboyism. So yea I realize I am being a little dick about it but it\'s my opinion and that\'s that.

Your response to me, on the other hand, took "dick" to a higher and personal level. I\'m not gonna go there, so whatever. Enjoy yourself.
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« Reply #93 on: November 13, 2008, 12:41:38 pm »
BDfree, I\'m with ya man.  I used to bring heads to shows only to have them walk away in boredom. Believe it or not the "burnouts" that people keep taking potshots at ARE the key demographic for the majority of this scene.

 I would hear a million and one excuses as to why they wouldn\'t see tB again.  I gave up.  I still play Moxy for people to try to stir interest, but I don\'t force it on them or speak of them as if they were the second coming of Phish.  If anything I just speak the truth: "No management, poor attitude, no marketing, big egos..."
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« Reply #94 on: November 13, 2008, 12:42:48 pm »
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what is a deemster, by the way?  im guessing it is some sort of drug/pill...slang term for something else?

slang for DMT ... one of the healthiest and most enlightening drugs known to man. Everything in moderation. I\'m guessing some people don\'t like the stuff after smoking it when all they see is visuals of power tools. Then probably read online that these are just fragments of your own inner consciousness.

...

Joe, I feel you man, and thanks for offering a bit of support. I guess that is what I have been going through as well. As of 10-30-08 I do give up on tryin to drag kids out to shows or working promo. Not like I could anymore even if I wanted to as my cred is pretty much shot when it comes to telling people Breakfast rules. I\'ll see the band at festivals or if they play Sullys or Iron Horse.

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Sorry if I have played a divisive role in this thread. I really just came in here to put my 2 cents in like everybody gets to. I understand there is and always has been a strong push back against saying something people\'s favorite band is doing sucks. I love this band and PB/TB has played a large role in my life in the last 6 years, showing me some of the best times ever and also helping me through the bad.

I love Tim. I love Adrian. I love Dangle. Stoops sucks. SOOOOORRRRYYYY
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« Reply #95 on: November 13, 2008, 12:47:56 pm »
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what is a deemster, by the way?  im guessing it is some sort of drug/pill...slang term for something else?


slang for DMT ... one of the healthiest and most enlightening drugs known to man. Everything in moderation. I\'m guessing peaches doesn\'t like the stuff after smoking it all he saw was visuals of power tools. Then probably read online that these are just fragments of your own inner consciousness.


DMT is just a ticket to the astral realm of that particular vibration, which is incredibly dull and low in frequency.
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« Reply #96 on: November 13, 2008, 12:53:22 pm »
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what is a deemster, by the way?  im guessing it is some sort of drug/pill...slang term for something else?


slang for DMT ... one of the healthiest and most enlightening drugs known to man. Everything in moderation. I\'m guessing peaches doesn\'t like the stuff after smoking it all he saw was visuals of power tools. Then probably read online that these are just fragments of your own inner consciousness.


DMT is just a ticket to the astral realm of that particular vibration, which is incredibly dull and low in frequency.


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« Reply #97 on: November 13, 2008, 12:54:39 pm »
Seriously... let\'s all take a deep breath and remember that it\'s about the music... And let\'s not squabble over show counts, I\'ve seen the band over 100 times and I wouldn\'t consider myself more of a fan than anyone on this site...  I think that this line of discussion is why I get so frustrated with the jamband community... They make the music/band/shows/touring such a big part of their life that when something disrupts it, they get all bent out of shape and think that the band is doing something personal to them... Seriously, the decisions have nothing to do with you.  If you don\'t like the musical direction TB is going them download a show from a period you did enjoy, or God forbid, listen to another band.

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DMT is just a ticket to the astral realm of that particular vibration, which is incredibly dull and low in frequency.


Can you explain this in english please, not everyone is up on meditation terms.
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« Reply #98 on: November 13, 2008, 12:54:45 pm »
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thanx ,any more thoughts or ideas?

yeah, you guys should clone yourselves: timmy 2 could play the accordian, adrian 2 could play electric djembe, and chris 2 could play double neck mandolin.

but on a serious note, maybe in \'09 if you don\'t get a keys player and don\'t want to tour hardcore as a trio, it could be time to take a break and all work on solo albums....
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« Reply #99 on: November 13, 2008, 01:01:20 pm »
I think that they should take one show and turn it into a Weird Al cover night.
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« Reply #100 on: November 13, 2008, 01:06:41 pm »
I love that they have the balls to be silly.  music is fun.  music feels good.  there is more to music than epic jams.  this is what made Phish so great.  

TON Timmy!  TON Adrian!  TON Chris!  TON Stoops?!

Keep it fun brothas.  I so dug the cartoonage.

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« Reply #101 on: November 13, 2008, 01:08:54 pm »
Wow.. Lots of hating going on round here. Cant we all just get along.
RAQ is/was..whatever.. a GREAT band. Anyone who does not think so... I know lots of folks who hate the dead and phish and dave mathews etc... music is so subjective.

Guys.. Support our friends and the band we love .. don\'t fucking hate on other talented artists just cause it taint ur thing and keep going to see live music in any capacity you can!
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« Reply #102 on: November 13, 2008, 01:16:04 pm »
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Guys.. Support our friends and the band we love .. don\'t fucking hate on other talented artists just cause it taint ur thing and keep going to see live music in any capacity you can!


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« Reply #103 on: November 13, 2008, 01:16:56 pm »
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thanx ,any more thoughts or ideas?


yeah, you guys should clone yourselves: timmy 2 could play the accordian, adrian 2 could play electric djembe, and chris 2 could play double neck mandolin.

but on a serious note, maybe in \'09 if you don\'t get a keys player and don\'t want to tour hardcore as a trio, it could be time to take a break and all work on solo albums....


we would be a hit in colarado.

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« Reply #104 on: November 13, 2008, 01:23:53 pm »
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DMT is just a ticket to the astral realm of that particular vibration, which is incredibly dull and low in frequency.

Incredibly dull compared to what? Fucking 10,000 Jessica Albas and another 10,000 Angelina Jolie\'s all at once? ;)

...

For me the "fun" part of seeing The Breakfast is the interchange between the musicians and the fans, and its fun as hell seeing people bust out rediculously awesome music like that. And it\'s obvious Tim and Dangle are having fun and they know when what they are doing is sick (it\'s a little harder to see the expression on Adrians face cuz he\'s straining from bangin those drums so hard!) and that in itself is fun to see.
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