Post Freak-out line-up discusion

[thatguy]

fair enough,but countless times to go out of your way to insult the efforts that me and tim have put in to this is annoying.if u only knew the bullshit and saccrafices and blood sweat and tears we delt with u would change your tune my friend.i understand that u want to rip us a new ass because your disapointed,but we have tried probably harder than any band to make this happen and keep playin music.ten years and we made no money in our pockets ever.thats the real way it is.so if u realy like the music,take a fuckin chill pill...adrian

[Vassillios]

keep pluggin adrian

[Gordo]

fair enough,but countless times to go out of your way to insult the efforts that me and tim have put in to this is annoying.if u only knew the bullshit and saccrafices and blood sweat and tears we delt with u would change your tune my friend.i understand that u want to rip us a new ass because your disapointed,but we have tried probably harder than any band to make this happen and keep playin music.ten years and we made no money in our pockets ever.thats the real way it is.so if u realy like the music,take a fuckin chill pill...adrian

Damn. An hour later I finally got to this post and could not be happier with the finale. This is where people need to shut the fuck up and stop giving the band so much shit. Hard times for everyone for sure, but incomparable to what the band has gone through and is going through right now. I was literally getting worn out at the objectification of the band members with so much self-interest at hand. Go Adrian. Go Breakfast. I love you guys. Time for two cigarettes.

[peaches626]

lol at "twurp"... haven\'t heard that term in a while

[Overexjoesure]

fair enough,but countless times to go out of your way to insult the efforts that me and tim have put in to this is annoying.if u only knew the bullshit and saccrafices and blood sweat and tears we delt with u would change your tune my friend.i understand that u want to rip us a new ass because your disapointed,but we have tried probably harder than any band to make this happen and keep playin music.ten years and we made no money in our pockets ever.thats the real way it is.so if u realy like the music,take a fuckin chill pill...adrian

Adrian, people have time and time again TOLD YOU AND TIM TO GET A FUCKING MANAGER. GET A FUCKING DECENT BOOKING AGENT.  There have been numerous resources at your disposal throughout the years.  People have continuously thrown out suggestions and it\'s like you guys just don\'t get it. I mean shit, Kroop, there\'s a resource. I\'m sure the man made a gazillion connections in the few years he was manager and I\'m sure he was willing to bend backwards to make those connections happen.  See, you guys shouldn\'t have to dispose of your blood, sweat and tears, that\'s what a manager is supposed to do.  The one thing you guys needed to do was make a significant financial investment into someone who knew what they were doing. Someone with a professional history.  The reason why RAQ came out of nowhere with a decent following and played Bonarooo was because their manager was Strangefolk\'s old manager (correct me if I\'m wrong).  Dude, there are plenty of people in this scene who I\'m sure were willing to help take the reins.  Sometimes you just have to admit you need help and can\'t do it alone.  I\'m sorry you think I like ripping you a new ass hole, I don\'t and nor do I think I am, I\'m just pointing out the obvious dysfunctions which has plagued this band since the early days.  The fact that your reacting shows me that I\'ve hit a raw nerve and that part of you knows I\'m right.  Trust me Adrian, I love you  guys and applaud the drive to keep going forward, but I just want to see some positive change, that\'s all.  And a studio recording of "The Sound"

[Gordo]

Oh and as far as suggestions--What are YOUR guys\' options for keys at this point (realistically or with a large dose of hope at least)? You, Tim, and Dangle make up the most talented Breakfast menagerie to date imo. I would rather see you three together trying to fill a void rather than any other three, seriously. So is Stoops even a reasonable replacement at this point or does his plate have no leng-term room for breakfast?

All I can say is (someone earlier suggested) Molitz and HELL NOO to that. I know it was a suggestion pulled out the \'ol brown holio but that hit a raw and disturbing nerve for me. He doesn\'t fit in at all. His sit in was a snooze and he\'d be a permanent waste of time. (btw I hate Particle)

lol at "twurp"... haven\'t heard that term in a while

I lossed (< < do you use "lost" here?) it for awhile after that. Classic.

[thatguy]

in a perfect world joe that seems pretty easy.but no,there were no such people interested in managing or touching this band..espiecialy after jorden left.u see you dont know what your talking about and i suck at typing so i am done with conversation.but know that we do this for the love,fun and dreams we have,and the connection between us and the fans who love diffirent and TRUE music.

[Yoda]

Joe - I\'m sure that Adrian, Tim and all associated with the band appreciate what you and countless others have done to help in the progress of the band.  But seriously, continually pointing out flaws going back to the early years doesn\'t help the situation any.  I can appreciate where your comments come from because I\'ve been on the giving end of it in the past, but for Adrian to come on the board and call you out and tell you that you\'ve gone too far should tell you that you\'re taking your "tough love" to another level.  Right now, I feel that Tim, Adrian and Chris are looking at the current situation without blinders on and doing what they have to do.  You just have to trust that they make the right decision for "them".  This is "their" band, not your, mine or anyone else on this board.  Yeah, we all have time and effort invested in these guys or we wouldn\'t be here everyday.  Trust that they will the right thing and "ENJOY THE MUSIC".  That\'s really why we are all here.

[jking]

not me. i\'m here for the gang bang.

[kindm's]

fair enough,but countless times to go out of your way to insult the efforts that me and tim have put in to this is annoying.if u only knew the bullshit and saccrafices and blood sweat and tears we delt with u would change your tune my friend.i understand that u want to rip us a new ass because your disapointed,but we have tried probably harder than any band to make this happen and keep playin music.ten years and we made no money in our pockets ever.thats the real way it is.so if u realy like the music,take a fuckin chill pill...adrian

Adrian, people have time and time again TOLD YOU AND TIM TO GET A FUCKING MANAGER. GET A FUCKING DECENT BOOKING AGENT.  There have been numerous resources at your disposal throughout the years.  People have continuously thrown out suggestions and it\'s like you guys just don\'t get it. I mean shit, Kroop, there\'s a resource. I\'m sure the man made a gazillion connections in the few years he was manager and I\'m sure he was willing to bend backwards to make those connections happen.  See, you guys shouldn\'t have to dispose of your blood, sweat and tears, that\'s what a manager is supposed to do.  The one thing you guys needed to do was make a significant financial investment into someone who knew what they were doing. Someone with a professional history.  The reason why RAQ came out of nowhere with a decent following and played Bonarooo was because their manager was Strangefolk\'s old manager (correct me if I\'m wrong).  Dude, there are plenty of people in this scene who I\'m sure were willing to help take the reins.  Sometimes you just have to admit you need help and can\'t do it alone.  I\'m sorry you think I like ripping you a new ass hole, I don\'t and nor do I think I am, I\'m just pointing out the obvious dysfunctions which has plagued this band since the early days.  The fact that your reacting shows me that I\'ve hit a raw nerve and that part of you knows I\'m right.  Trust me Adrian, I love you  guys and applaud the drive to keep going forward, but I just want to see some positive change, that\'s all.  And a studio recording of "The Sound"

Um just so you know they do have a new Marketing person. I get e-mails from her all the time.

RAQ had / has management that had ties to Bill Grahman productions and many other entrenched folks. In fact there were attempts to get them in contact with the Breakfast many years ago. But things just didn\'t work out.

If anything I would say the guys in the band are loyal as hell. Perhaps it may have cost them some over they years but at least it seems that they have integrity and you can\'t put a price on that.

Things have developed slowly for the breakfast. Honestly with the new promo folks and management it looks like things are moving in the correct direction. Let us not forget that for all the time I have known Tim he has expressed a desire to conduct his business as Zappa did and Zappa was never a mainstream guy, and always did things his way.

These guys have given me more than I could ever express so for that I am grateful. I wish them the best no matter what they decide to do.

[Overexjoesure]

in a perfect world joe that seems pretty easy.but no,there were no such people interested in managing or touching this band..espiecialy after jorden left.u see you dont know what your talking about and i suck at typing so i am done with conversation.but know that we do this for the love,fun and dreams we have,and the connection between us and the fans who love diffirent and TRUE music.

I apologize if my words minimized your efforts, or what you\'ve gone through.  Between Matt leaving the band, and listening to Buquebus on the drive home last night I just had enough.  It  kills me that only a small number of people will ever hear that song, among the others.  It literally brought a tear to my eye.  I\'m sure you guys will make the best decision possible for where your at in your lives.

[Mark]

Wow. I think some of y\'all need to find a hobby.

How about:
guitar strumming
fishing
stamp collecting
drum circles
hiking
swimming

[psychjosh]

fair enough,but countless times to go out of your way to insult the efforts that me and tim have put in to this is annoying.if u only knew the bullshit and saccrafices and blood sweat and tears we delt with u would change your tune my friend.i understand that u want to rip us a new ass because your disapointed,but we have tried probably harder than any band to make this happen and keep playin music.ten years and we made no money in our pockets ever.thats the real way it is.so if u realy like the music,take a fuckin chill pill...adrian

Adrian, people have time and time again TOLD YOU AND TIM TO GET A FUCKING MANAGER. GET A FUCKING DECENT BOOKING AGENT.  There have been numerous resources at your disposal throughout the years.  People have continuously thrown out suggestions and it\'s like you guys just don\'t get it. I mean shit, Kroop, there\'s a resource. I\'m sure the man made a gazillion connections in the few years he was manager and I\'m sure he was willing to bend backwards to make those connections happen.  See, you guys shouldn\'t have to dispose of your blood, sweat and tears, that\'s what a manager is supposed to do.  The one thing you guys needed to do was make a significant financial investment into someone who knew what they were doing. Someone with a professional history.  The reason why RAQ came out of nowhere with a decent following and played Bonarooo was because their manager was Strangefolk\'s old manager (correct me if I\'m wrong).  Dude, there are plenty of people in this scene who I\'m sure were willing to help take the reins.  Sometimes you just have to admit you need help and can\'t do it alone.  I\'m sorry you think I like ripping you a new ass hole, I don\'t and nor do I think I am, I\'m just pointing out the obvious dysfunctions which has plagued this band since the early days.  The fact that your reacting shows me that I\'ve hit a raw nerve and that part of you knows I\'m right.  Trust me Adrian, I love you  guys and applaud the drive to keep going forward, but I just want to see some positive change, that\'s all.  And a studio recording of "The Sound"

hmm.. Just I got a nod I gotta chime in. Joe -  I tried for years to get these guys in front of anyone who would listen. We had IMHO a very successful run together and for whatever our internal reasons we decided to end the "professional" part of the relationship.

Reality is RAQ\'s manager was great. He lived in VT where they did and had a history w/ them while he was managing SF. He had major connects w/ Monterey the Phish booking team etc... They definitely had the business thing down because of that. We never had that luxury. I was calling these Superfestival owners personally and just trying to force feed them. I knew if I could get someone to listen.. they could not ignore it. It worked to a large degree.

There were plenty of mistakes made.. mine, theirs..it doesn\'t matter anymore. What matters is happening now. Besides.. the only mistake that really mattered in terms of getting the band more success happened when they decided on the name Psychedelic Breakfast

I think we\'re making much ado about a comment you made.. that maybe isn\'t as well informed as it should of been. Besides if we live in the past.. the future will go whizzin by and we\'ll miss it.

[Me!]

Joe is now officially the only person on my ignore list.

[ds673488]

as long as there is a band, im going to shows...