Was anyone else discusted by Bush\'s State of the Union Address Last Night?

[Spacey]

OMFG! Just when you think someone can\'t be any more stupid and Bush goes and compares Iraq to Vietnam.
Saying the U.S. leaving Vietnam caused more Vietnamese deaths than if we had stayed and the same will happen to Iraq. Totally glossing over the fact that we were losing that war in a BIG way hmmmm just like we are losing this one. This guy really believes if he says it it\'s true. Unbelievable this guy really.

In 2003 he was upset when a reporter made a comparison of Iraq to Vietnam.

Sad really that he is the ruler of the Free world. The reign of Terror ends when Bush is out.

[FrankZappa]

The reign of Terror ends when Bush is out.

you can\'t seriously believe that. Or to put it in laymen’s terms "Mr. Burns’s reign of terror is over! Let a whole new reign of terror begin!"

Let me tell you something that all you facists are going to hate about a year from now that apparently everyone is wearing blinders about:
You need the facists to win. No matter who wins, we will not do a full pull out. We won’t do anything close. We are imbedded there through at least the end of 09 according to the last pentagon projections I heard of. Plus, you can\'t pull out fully. It is a fact that you all know that if we pull out, the country will dissolve into chaos, just like the south did in reconstruction, 90% of the USSR did in the early 90s; france did after the revolution, etc. And guess what\'s going to happen after that? Bush is going to walk around with a giant shit eating grin on his face saying I told you so, and history will see him as the genius that no one would listen to. That plus the sound bite of his "I\'m going to START the process to put a man on mars" will be played ad-nausea 20 years after when we do it the same way jfks is with the moon. 30 years from now, he will be the brilliant mind that the country was too blinded to support.

But don\'t worry, because it won’t go down that way. If a facist wins, we stay and we\'re staying for a long ass time. Naturally, that means you\'re going to all be hating EVERYONE in the facistic Party for lying to you and saying they would pull out. So what happens then? The American public retaliates at the following election and the facists’ loose power all over the place, the facists then taking over congress and the presidency which gives them power to elect the judicial simply on majority, and the facists now run all 3 branches.

You NEED the facists to take the next election in order for the facistic Party to survive. If the facists win, they will simply continue the current administrations policies on the war and it will be the downfall of the party.

I hold no political affiliation, and I\'m very liberal in the majority of my views. I\'ve been an independent since I was 16.


flame away.

[derickw]

I don\'t think there was anything said about a pull out. it can\'t and won\'t happen... ever maybe. but this bumbling idiot and his office need to be disbanded and i say all politicians over the age of say 65-70 should be forced to retire. no special privileges for ANY politician. whats up with the freedom of information act not applying to the White House..... bullshit, sure don\'t make it public knowledge but the checks and balance way of doing things is none existent and the current political state of affairs is a mockery of what it was originally founded upon... of the people by the people and for the people... or something like that

[Spacey]

I dislike Bush as much as the rest, but the Iraq can be compared to Vietnam if you look at it from the perspective of it being a Civil War that we stuck our noses into.  And as much as I would like to see it, I wouldn\'t look for a quick withdrawl after the election.  

If you look at the popularity poles from both sides, it\'s really scary to think that next year either Hillary or Guiliani will be in the White House!

I believe it was 2003 when Bush snapped on a reporter and called the allegations that Iraq and Vietnam were even compared as foolish. I watched in on MSNBC last night.

Both are messes.

[antbach]

god. damn. this. thread. when. will. it. end.

[Spacey]

The reign of Terror ends when Bush is out.

you can\'t seriously believe that. Or to put it in laymen’s terms "Mr. Burns’s reign of terror is over! Let a whole new reign of terror begin!"

Let me tell you something that all you facists are going to hate about a year from now that apparently everyone is wearing blinders about:
You need the facists to win. No matter who wins, we will not do a full pull out. We won’t do anything close. We are imbedded there through at least the end of 09 according to the last pentagon projections I heard of. Plus, you can\'t pull out fully. It is a fact that you all know that if we pull out, the country will dissolve into chaos, just like the south did in reconstruction, 90% of the USSR did in the early 90s; france did after the revolution, etc. And guess what\'s going to happen after that? Bush is going to walk around with a giant shit eating grin on his face saying I told you so, and history will see him as the genius that no one would listen to. That plus the sound bite of his "I\'m going to START the process to put a man on mars" will be played ad-nausea 20 years after when we do it the same way jfks is with the moon. 30 years from now, he will be the brilliant mind that the country was too blinded to support.

But don\'t worry, because it won’t go down that way. If a facist wins, we stay and we\'re staying for a long ass time. Naturally, that means you\'re going to all be hating EVERYONE in the facistic Party for lying to you and saying they would pull out. So what happens then? The American public retaliates at the following election and the facists’ loose power all over the place, the facists then taking over congress and the presidency which gives them power to elect the judicial simply on majority, and the facists now run all 3 branches.

You NEED the facists to take the next election in order for the facistic Party to survive. If the facists win, they will simply continue the current administrations policies on the war and it will be the downfall of the party.

I hold no political affiliation, and I\'m very liberal in the majority of my views. I\'ve been an independent since I was 16.


flame away.

I actually didn\'t believe it but do now that you front, I do.

This country is fucked for at least the next 8 years until the powers that be get shit straightened out.

[SlimPickens]

You need the facists to win. No matter who wins, we will not do a full pull out. We won’t do anything close. We are imbedded there through at least the end of 09 according to the last pentagon projections I heard of.

This assumes that our Military can sustain combat operations into \'09.  There\'s talk that they can\'t.

But I think you\'re probably right.  Whoever inherits this shit storm is screwed.  Pull out and watch a civil war and subsequent genocide or stay waist deep in the quagmire swamp trying to "heard cats"?

Plus, you can\'t pull out fully. It is a fact that you all know that if we pull out, the country will dissolve into chaos, just like the south did in reconstruction, 90% of the USSR did in the early 90s; france did after the revolution, etc. And guess what\'s going to happen after that? Bush is going to walk around with a giant shit eating grin on his face saying I told you so, and history will see him as the genius that no one would listen to.

Like the way they view Nixon these days?  It doesn\'t take a rocket scientist to predict the disasterous results of a early US withdrawal.  Nixon... I mean George W. should be judged on the mistakes he made leading us into this war and the mistakes he made in commanding our troops for the 1st 2 years of the war.

I sure hope that Gen David Petraeus can pull things together, but as most will agree now, there is no military solution over there.  And I have little faith in the current administrations diplomatic capabilities.

But don\'t worry, because it won’t go down that way. If a facist wins, we stay and we\'re staying for a long ass time. Naturally, that means you\'re going to all be hating EVERYONE in the facistic Party for lying to you and saying they would pull out. So what happens then? The American public retaliates at the following election and the facists’ loose power all over the place, the facists then taking over congress and the presidency which gives them power to elect the judicial simply on majority, and the facists now run all 3 branches.

You NEED the facists to take the next election in order for the facistic Party to survive. If the facists win, they will simply continue the current administrations policies on the war and it will be the downfall of the party.

I hold no political affiliation, and I\'m very liberal in the majority of my views. I\'ve been an independent since I was 16.


flame away.

I just want someone to win (repub or dem) that I have faith in as a leader.  From the beginning I always thought that G.W. would be a hell of a guy to have a beer with (if you could knock him off the wagon), but I wouldn\'t want him running even the 7 -11 around the corner from me.  I want the smartest guy in the room running our country.

[kindm's]

We will be in Iraq for a long time. For a bunch of reasons but most importantly because it makes all these assholes $$$$$$$.

Almost all of the major players from both sides of the fence get their money from the same places. There really isn\'t much difference between facist and facist. As much as they would like us to think there is a difference there is not. Look at the facists now. They all got elected for the most part because we the people were tired of the War and the Bush admin. policies. They were all liek we will clean up Washington and we will right the wrongs etc etc.

Well what has happened ? Nothing at all. The war continues. The facists authorized more troops, Pelosi\'s first statement basically said they took impeachment off the table, even tho many many constitutionalists (repubs) have been calling for it. They have not made any headway with regards to investigating the illegal wire tapings of US citizens. In fact the stupid facists just gave Bush carte Blanche to continue it and make it even broader.

It doesn\'t really matter who is in charge anymore. They are all corrupt. Not one of them even appears to be a decent human being. The power they have corrupts even the most principled of them and if it doesn\'t the others simply do not deal or marginalize the folks who really want to make changes.

[Spacey]

Blame Blackwater and the the private sector of military.

[derickw]

Blame Blackwater and the the private sector of military.

blame the American people for being a bunch of complacent sheep, did everyone forget WE the people are the majority and this government was built to relay the needs and wants of the people. but if they don\'t speak loud enough it all falls on deaf ears

[jking]

bye bye alberto. do me a favor if you will, and please let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

[Gfunk]

So what are folks thoughts about this Ron Paul guy?

[FrankZappa]

Ron Paul = best bet if you\'re going facist imo.

Dear residents of East Haven, CT:
Quality work with your mayoral election proccess. You are my new heros. Sneaking bags of shreaded paper out of the building in the middle of the night during a recound where there were still found to be 160 more votes than people who showed up for a 21 vote victory= brilliant. I wish you the best of luck in this, the smooth start to what will prove to be yet another connecticut mayors proud term in office that would even make bridgeport or waterbury jealous.

[jocelyn]

So what are folks thoughts about this Ron Paul guy?

Great guy, doesn\'t stand a chance.

[wildcoyote]

that would even make bridgeport or waterbury jealous.

Let\'s not get carried away.  Giordano really upped the ante in the Dirty Water.  After the two previous mayors got carted off for run of the mill bribery/embezzlement crimes, ol\' Phil found a way to make his mark.

The best part was when I ran into his predecessor and convicted felon Joe Sanipetro strutting around like a king during Giordano\'s indictment.  Sick really.