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« Reply #120 on: February 13, 2004, 05:44:07 pm »
I agree, Todd.  Bush\'s environmental policies suck.  I am all for preservation of natural habitats... even if it comes at the expense of people & their livelyhoods.
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« Reply #121 on: February 13, 2004, 05:45:26 pm »
Leith could you please scan & post some receipts to back up your claims?


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« Reply #122 on: February 13, 2004, 05:47:14 pm »
And I guess you\'re saying that paying off your credit cards was a little more important than feeding a few more homeless people?
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« Reply #123 on: February 13, 2004, 06:22:19 pm »
Where do you come off? Yeah to stay afloat in this quagmire called the U.S. economy i had to pay off some credit. I figured since I volunteer every holiday season both Thanksgiving and Christmas( for the past 13 years) to help feed the homeless,they would not mind. As for posting receipts they would be check copies and that info is not getting posted. U can believe me or not but if you knew me at all u know all this to be true. So instead of thinking you\'re calling me out why don\'t you put your time to better use and try to figure out a way to help those in need in your area. If you think there is nothing u can do that anyone deserves. I am sure you can give to Amvet\'s @ least.
If you do not know Amvet\'s is American Veteran\'s charity.
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« Reply #124 on: February 13, 2004, 06:39:48 pm »
i spent my 350 on a killer jerome baker double bubble tuber with custom slide and a fat bag of the stickyickyickyickyicky!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #125 on: February 13, 2004, 06:44:53 pm »
I can say that I\'ve given to many charities over the years, if you want a list, I can do that but it would take a while. I have also participated with and raised money for the American Cancer Society (Relay for Life-last 5 years), the MS Society (Walk for a Cure-last 3 years), and the Cure for Mitochondrial Disease (walk-last 3 years).

I will again be participating in the MS Walk this April, and the Relay for Life this June, so if you want to make a donation, BRING IT ON!

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« Reply #126 on: February 13, 2004, 07:19:07 pm »
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Where do you come off? Yeah to stay afloat in this quagmire called the U.S. economy i had to pay off some credit. I figured since I volunteer every holiday season both Thanksgiving and Christmas( for the past 13 years) to help feed the homeless,they would not mind. As for posting receipts they would be check copies and that info is not getting posted. U can believe me or not but if you knew me at all u know all this to be true. So instead of thinking you\'re calling me out why don\'t you put your time to better use and try to figure out a way to help those in need in your area. If you think there is nothing u can do that anyone deserves. I am sure you can give to Amvet\'s @ least.
If you do not know Amvet\'s is American Veteran\'s charity.


Easy there big fella.... I was only kidding around... about posting your receipts.... don\'t get all worked up.  I was merely making a point that you used your refund to help YOURSELF... just like I did.
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« Reply #127 on: February 13, 2004, 09:05:40 pm »
Ya I know. I just get flustered when people in general do not realize that there is a world around them.
I spent some of my refund on myself yeah i admit it but I also gave alot of it away. I am not stupid enough to let my anger w/ my government help place me further into debt. I donate $$ with every tax refund and @ least 3x a year. So i do not think i did like you did. I do not know you but it seems to me, you figure giving to charity is a waste whereas I do not.
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« Reply #128 on: February 13, 2004, 10:28:37 pm »
Tax Refunds are nice, I\'m getting to the point were I have to pay taxes now. It sucks.

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« Reply #129 on: February 13, 2004, 11:28:28 pm »
I\'m in that boat this year. Being self-employed can suck around April. The rest of the year it\'s fuckin\' great:)
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« Reply #130 on: February 13, 2004, 11:37:04 pm »
I don\'t see it as a waste, but I like to have control over what causes my money goes to help.  Most of the charities I like to support are non-human related... Humane Society, Sierra Club, Save the Rainforest....

Some of you may know that I breed rare pythons as a hobby & side business to my day job.  Every year, lots of breeders of all kinds of reptiles & amphibians get together for an Expo in Maryland where all of the proceeds from the door go to buy rainforest land in Costa Rica.  So far, we have purchased close to 3,000 acres of pristine rainforest.  To me, this is a worthwile charity...
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« Reply #131 on: February 14, 2004, 12:10:10 am »
Cool I guess someone has to save the plants/animals. I\'m a straight up omnivore. I\'ll eat plant, animal as long as it will sustain human life I\'m down for eating it. I really don\'t care too much for furs etc. mostly because there is no need but vegetarian i\'m not. That is one way I really am seperate from many that hold the rest of my views. Anyway as long as you\'re trying to give back to the world in some way your down in my book as a kind brother no matter your politics. Peace OUUUUUUUUUT :)
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« Reply #132 on: February 14, 2004, 06:02:07 am »
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I would like to know how many of the people on this board, who were saying how much they love to help people, and what good sumaritans they are, and how I am a jerk for not wanting to help all the crack babies, RETURNED their $350 refund check, with instructions to give it to some charitable organization, or to education, or any of the other causes they love to have to government support.

Any of you who did, please respond.


I did not recieve one because at the time I was still in school and filling as part of my parents household and not as an individual. as a result, I was not able to recieve my 350$, but if I had, I would have put it in the bank. I donate $$ each year much the same way that Marcial does, though I do it mostly through bike tours. While 350$ in wouldn\'t go directly out the same day, I still donate in that range yearly.
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« Reply #133 on: February 19, 2004, 09:57:34 am »
well, aside from the consiracy theory to take down pbfans.com, bush has been popping up elsewhere:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3501953.stm
Bush speaks against gay weddings
President Bush says he will consider supporting legal changes to prevent gay marriages following hundreds of same-sex unions in San Francisco.
The president said he was troubled by the weddings, and would only support a law backing traditional unions.

More than 2,500 marriage licences have been issued to gays and lesbians.

The city\'s mayor took the initiative, contrary to California state law, because he said that current legislation was discriminatory.

Since Mayor Gavin Newsom allowed same-sex couples to marry, gays and lesbians have travelled from across the US to take part in what they see as a historic moment for gay rights.

But speaking for the first time since the weddings began last week, the president made clear his personal opposition.

"I strongly believe that marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman," said Mr Bush.

"I am troubled by activist judges who are defining marriage. I have watched carefully what\'s happened in San Francisco where licences were being issued, even though the law states otherwise."

When asked whether he was ready to take action, he said that he was "just watching very closely".

"I\'m troubled by what I\'ve seen," he added. "People need to be involved with this decision. Marriage ought to be defined by the people not by the courts, and I\'m watching it carefully."

There are already two legal challenges underway to the decision of San Francisco\'s mayor to issue the wedding licences, and the legal status of gay marriages is being contested elsewhere.

In Massachusetts, a court recently said it was "unconstitutional" to prevent gay and lesbian couples from marrying.

But before the first fully legal weddings can happen there, attempts to block them through amending the constitution are expected.

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White House \'Distorting\' Science
President Bush\'s administration has been accused of suppressing and distorting scientific findings that run counter to its own political beliefs.
The charge comes from an American body, the Union of Concerned Scientists, in a statement with more than 60 supporters.

The signatories, who include 12 Nobel Prize winners, say scientific integrity must be restored to policy-making.

The White House called the statement "disappointing" and said decisions were taken on the best available science.


The UCS chairman is Dr Kurt Gottfried, emeritus professor of physics at Cornell University.

Policy implications

He said: "Across a broad range of issues, the administration has undermined the quality of the scientific advisory system and the morale of the government\'s outstanding scientific personnel.

"Whether the issue is lead paint, clean air or climate change, this behaviour has serious consequences for all Americans."

Dr Gottfried said: "We\'re not... taking issue with the administration\'s policies. We\'re taking issue with the administration\'s distortion... of the science related to some of its policies."

Russell Train, one of the statement\'s supporters, headed the Environmental Protection Agency under former facist Presidents Nixon and Ford.

He said: "Science, to quote President Bush\'s father, the former president, relies on freedom of inquiry and objectivity.

"But this administration has obstructed that freedom and distorted that objectivity in ways that were unheard of in any previous administration."

Dr Sherwood Rowland, who won a Nobel Prize for his studies of atmospheric ozone, said the consensus of scientific opinion on climate change was being ignored.
Government reports had been censored to remove views out of line with President Bush\'s policies, he said.

Dr Rowland said: "The public deserves rational decision-making based on the best scientific advice about what is likely to happen, not what political entities might wish to happen."

Scott McClellan, President Bush\'s spokesman, said: "I can assure you that this is an administration that makes decisions based on the best available science."

\'Crude snapshot\'

John Marburger, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, said he found the statement "somewhat disappointing".

He said it made "some sweeping generalisations about policy in this administration that are based on a random selection of incidents and issues".

Professor Marburger said: "I don\'t think the statement makes the case for the sweeping accusations that it makes."

The UCS website describes the organisation as "an independent non-profit alliance of more than 100,000 concerned citizens and scientists".
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« Reply #134 on: February 22, 2004, 08:21:57 pm »
Hippies,  liberals - you guys are so mad because you sit on your asses and have very little to be proud of.  Go to work and accomplish something - then maybe you will spend your free time enjoying this great country instead of trashing it.

You are most likely missing all the opportunities available because you have nothing to do but complain about Bush.
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