What really needs to happen at fests this year

[Buquebus]

i think i starting point would be to talk to bands like u-melt, TLG, RAQ (bands sort of on the same level as them, and yes leith i know TLG is a little bigger)

tlg sit ins 4/20/04 Colorado (Co bill at cervante\'s i think)
raq sit ins porters 04, toads 06, few others I\'m sure
u-melt sit ins at rev hall
and there have even been some almighty UM sit ins.. all this shit has happened... shitty timing, shitty management... I\'m just st0ked as fuck the music is still being played:inky:

[Klout]

get a real manager and booking agency already.

this is just beyond redonk mickey mouse clown shoes armchair .info management at this point.

FIRST you have to get on the festivals then when you rip it up and other artists and promoters notice and you get offered sit ins and opportunities and the synergistic networking happens naturally.  but the band has to be on the bill first, and not a last minute add on with a garbage slot. It\'s not rocket science.

I understand the dilemma that festivals are reluctant to book a band that wont sell many tickets but it is the managements job to sell the strengths of the band (i.e. they will own faces and come relatively cheap and will attract at least a small base of hardcores and some extended families/more casual fans already at the festy plus newbs/randoms, etc).

[Vassillios]

im tellin ya

http://www.madisonhouseinc.com

[leith]

One problem with Breakfast sitting in with other bands.....

other bands don\'t like to look like wankers because they\'re getting shown up on their own stage.

And DS#s of course you are right. The members of The Breakfast are in no way famous or even really known in the "jam scene".

At most what I hear from random "jam scenesters" is "oh, Psychedelic Breakfast?? [you see, a lot of people still don\'t realize they\'ve even changed their name] Yeah I saw them back in 2002 I remember the guitar player was pretty good"

I think sit ins are lame and the idea of The Breakfast opening for Xanax-rockers like TLG or RAQ sucks.

1st that thinking of bands being afraid of The Breakfast is a tired attitude that really has NO LOGIC to it whatsoever.
You have no clue how much visibility Tim actually has. He is VERY WELL KNOWN to those that matter.
Sit-Ins are really good for exposure but you have no clue so I get it that you don\'t like them.

One problem with Breakfast sitting in with other bands.....

other bands don\'t like to look like wankers because they\'re getting shown up on their own stage.

And DS#s of course you are right. The members of The Breakfast are in no way famous or even really known in the "jam scene".

At most what I hear from random "jam scenesters" is "oh, Psychedelic Breakfast?? [you see, a lot of people still don\'t realize they\'ve even changed their name] Yeah I saw them back in 2002 I remember the guitar player was pretty good"
 

at least someone agrees with me.

I wouldn\'t get excited you are both wrong.

[ds673488]

thats your opinion

and i dont agree with everything he said...i do think his point that he agreed with me on is very valid.  The breakfast arent "allstars" in the jamband scene...in other words it would be pretty diffucult for them, when they arent even on festival bills, so just walk around and start sitting in with bands that have practiced their asses off for these big shows.  we arent talking about huge names here that any band would love to have them just hop on stage with.  a lot of breakfast fans have pretty thick skulls when it comes to this type of thing...they think the breakfast is so great/well liked in the community that they can just walk on other bands no problem (this is a prime example).  the reality is, they are not on many bills for festivals and i think its pretty optimistic thinking to assume they can just wander around festivals with their instruments and start getting on stage with other bands.

obviously networking is a huge key to success...but i think phone calls/emails, etc (and definitely good management plays a role in this) are better ideas and start trying to book more co-bill shows.

[leith]

thats your opinion

Yeah but see my opinion is based on discussing these cats with people that matter like managers and booking agents while you and Bdfreetuna are just discussing the band with "jam scenesters" and your neighbors.

Tim as well as Adrian are very well known to many bands in this scene and those band\'s mamagement.
You think they would not be known after 10 fucking years? With their talent? LAUGHABLE.

[Vassillios]

So what\'s the deal then Leith? If they are known by other band\'s management, why are they not trying to reel in the breakfast?

[leith]

Many reasons. Here are a few I have gathered.
They are based in a town in CT known more for it\'s school than music and were very reluctant to tour often outside of the area.
They have never had any real management since Josh Kroop left and other bands do not deal with non managed bands for business reasons usually.
Up until recently the bands vocals were more a detraction than attraction which to some the music could not overcome.
The problem lies in that while their talent is well known the other factors are more important to management who look at the bottom(dollar) line.

Alot of these reasons are slowly eroding due to the band\'s seemingly renewed dedication to getting the music out to the masses so for me I think the future is very bright for THe Breakfast.

[Overexjoesure]

Go get em Leith...
Two words: self sabatoge.

[Vassillios]

well said

[Jim Cobb]

Sit-Ins are really good for exposure but you have no clue so I get it that you don\'t like them.

thats just like... your opinion... man....



no seriously though, i sat in with the breakfast at the knitting factory the first time i sat in with them, and immediately after that i was constantly recognized at bfast shows by people i didn\'t know asking me about my band, etc.   that was one sit in with a band that isn\'t by any means huge.

when it comes to sit ins, bands aren\'t worried about being upstaged, people like to play with good musicians, and when you\'ve been playing with the same 3 or 4 or 5 dudes every night, having someone sit in can be a breath of fresh air, especially someone who is competent enough to keep things really interesting.

[leith]

thats your opinion

and i dont agree with everything he said...i do think his point that he agreed with me on is very valid.  The breakfast arent "allstars" in the jamband scene...in other words it would be pretty diffucult for them, when they arent even on festival bills, so just walk around and start sitting in with bands that have practiced their asses off for these big shows.  we arent talking about huge names here that any band would love to have them just hop on stage with. a lot of breakfast fans have pretty thick skulls when it comes to this type of thing...they think the breakfast is so great/well liked in the community that they can just walk on other bands no problem (this is a prime example).  the reality is, they are not on many bills for festivals and i think its pretty optimistic thinking to assume they can just wander around festivals with their instruments and start getting on stage with other bands.

obviously networking is a huge key to success...but i think phone calls/emails, etc (and definitely good management plays a role in this) are better ideas and start trying to book more co-bill shows.

To the bold type.
Uh talk with anyone in TLG, UM, ALO, U-Melt or RAQ to name a few that if Tim happened to show up with guitar in hand they would let him sit -in.
I\'ll bet you get not one no.

[oldnewbie]

but would they "ask" him? i\'m just saying......

[Overexjoesure]

This sounds more like the
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[leith]

but would they "ask" him? i\'m just saying......

If Tim showed up at a Fest and made the rounds hanging out I am very sure he would get an invitation. No doubt in my mind.