Is there an offical pointless election banter thread anywhere?

[derickw]

Who the hell is Danny Smith?

and you claim to be a fan.....

oh and if it weren\'t for RI you all would be British. the declaration of independence bitches..... but i digress because i\'m from CT

[tyzack]

Who the hell is Danny Smith?

and you claim to be a fan.....

oh and if it weren\'t for RI you all would be British. the declaration of independence bitches..... but i digress because i\'m from CT

I fail to recall Roger Williams playing a crucial role in the Revolution.

Also, I believe that the colonists (us) get their asses kicked (and/or) sunk at Newport.

[Spacey]

Who the hell is Danny Smith?

and you claim to be a fan.....

oh and if it weren\'t for RI you all would be British. the declaration of independence bitches..... but i digress because i\'m from CT

I fail to recall Roger Williams playing a crucial role in the Revolution.

Also, I believe that the colonists (us) get their asses kicked (and/or) sunk at Newport.

The only history Ddubs knows is about Kielbasa.

[derickw]

Rhode Island

    9. Stephen Hopkins
    10. William Ellery

Revolutionary Era 1775-1790


Rhode Island was the first of the British colonies in America to declare its independence on May 4, 1776. Previously, in 1772 Rhode Islanders attacked the British warship the Gaspee as one of the first overt acts of rebellion in America.

[Spacey]

Rhode Island

    9. Stephen Hopkins
    10. William Ellery

Revolutionary Era 1775-1790


Rhode Island was the first of the British colonies in America to declare its independence on May 4, 1776. Previously, in 1772 Rhode Islanders attacked the British warship the Gaspee as one of the first overt acts of rebellion in America.

Was that in the back of the Killer Kielbasa Cookbook?

[Mark]

didnt\' read this whole thread, but did anybody see the interview with Palin where she couldn\'t even name a newspaper....classic.  kinda scary she could become president someday

Unreal. She could not name one book, newspaper, or magazine that she reads.  " Oh I read all kinds of media THAT ARE PUT IN FRONT OF ME" Are you SER?
If you haven\'t seen the interviews with Couric, everyone needs to dial them up on youtube. I\'ll try and post some later.

Then for the finishing touch, dial up the Jack Cafferty (CNN) rant about her. WOW!

[Spacey]

The first interview she did with Charlie Gibson was terrible.

She literally looks like she rehearses each night what she is going to say tomorrow.

[Me!]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I thought it was well done.
I\'m registered.....

[inthewhitelodge]

It seems like both of the so-called candidates have absolutely no idea what the hell we\'re supposed to do about the bailout thing except have a crapload of "oversight". The Federal Reserve is supposed to have such as well, but I am getting the feeling that everyday of inflation this is what happens:

Guy #1 of Fed. Reserve Oversight Board (likely affiliated with some global bankers):
" So, we need to print some more money so we can lend to people, so they can get more stuff, but, as they become busy to work more and more for their stuff, they will forget all about inflation!"

Guy #2 (also affiliated with some top-notch CEO banker): Hmm, are you sure this is what we should do?

Guy #3 (also a pork-barrel-er himself): "Well, it looks like this is the only thing we can do."

Guy #1: "So, then we all agree on this oversight?"

All 3: "Yep, let\'s print it."

[tyzack]

I don\'t know what you guys think of Chomsky, I personally think he is a very, very smart man:

Chomsky Normal Form

Chomsky Hierarchy

This is a snippet from an interview with him about the election:

So, yes, the Obama phenomenon, I think, reflects the alienation of the population that you find in the polls: 80% say the country is run by a few big interests. While Obama says we are going to change that, there\'s no indication of what the change is going to be. In fact, the financial institutions, which are his major contributors, think he\'s fine, so there\'s no indication of any change. But if you say "change," people will grasp at it; you say "change" and "hope," and people will grasp at this and say, OK, maybe this is the savior who will bring about what we want, even though there is no evidence for it.

VN: Sure.

NC: So I think the Obama phenomenon and people\'s alienation go hand in hand.
VN: What would be the difference between a McCain administration and an Obama administration?

NC: McCain is another example of very effective propaganda-creation imagery. I mean, suppose there was a Russian pilot who was bombing civilian targets in Afghanistan and was shot down and tortured by the American-run Islamic fanatic terrorists there. Would we say he\'s a war hero? Would we say he\'s an expert in strategic and security issues, because he was a bomber of civilian targets? We wouldn\'t. But this is the image that\'s been created of McCain. His heroism and his expertise and strategy are based on the fact that he was bombing people from 30,000 feet and he was shot down. It\'s not nice that he was tortured, it shouldn\'t have happened, it was a crime, and so on. But that doesn\'t make him a war hero or a specialist in foreign policy. That\'s all a public relations creation. The public relations industry is a huge industry, very sophisticated. Probably something like a sixth of the gross domestic product goes into marketing, advertising, and so on, and that\'s a core element of society. It\'s the way you keep people separated from one another, subdued, and focused on something else. And this is explicit and, as I say, it\'s all discussed in public relations propaganda.

VN: Would you foresee any difference between McCain and Obama administrations in terms of foreign policy?

NC: Yes. McCain may be worse than Bush. He doesn\'t say much, because you\'re not supposed to say much about issues, but the few things he has said are pretty frightening. He could be a real loose cannon.

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[Spacey]

Gracias, tyzak.

Some interesting reading.

Going to read it during lunch.

[SlimPickens]

This months Rolling Stone, which is about as left leaning politically as you can be without being officially labeled a domestic terrorist, has an interesting (but very long) article on McCain.

Follows the premise that if you think Bush is bad, wait till you see what McCain will do in office.  Paints mccain as a ex alcoholic, gambler that used nepotism to navigate through the naval ranks, despite consistent dismal performance (ex. his graduating rank from the academy, the fact that he crashed numerous navy planes... even before his vietnam capture... which if it wasn\'t for his connections, would have lost him his naval wings)

It was such an outragous read that even I question some of the "facts" in it, and I\'m praying that robotic old bastard doesn\'t win.

[Mamalakabubadaya]

didnt\' read this whole thread, but did anybody see the interview with Palin where she couldn\'t even name a newspaper....classic.  kinda scary she could become president someday

Unreal. She could not name one book, newspaper, or magazine that she reads.  " Oh I read all kinds of media THAT ARE PUT IN FRONT OF ME" Are you SER?
If you haven\'t seen the interviews with Couric, everyone needs to dial them up on youtube. I\'ll try and post some later.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4490713n

saw that last week. i cannot believe that out of all of the women in the united states, this is the one who gets closest to the executive branch in 2008. it\'s a damn shame and an embarrassment. i feel like i might know more about what being vice pres entails as a slacker poli sci student than palin does. watching the vp debates was a joke and even if people are undecided on/don\'t care about who to vote for in the upcoming election, if for any reason at all, please just vote to keep this woman as far away from power as possible.

[Gordo]

Was the Stone article written by the dude who\'s always on Maher these days? I\'m liberal, and enjoy Real Time, but definitely take issue at times with the obvious left-biases.

Objectivity will forever elude politics.

[kindm's]

This months Rolling Stone, which is about as left leaning politically as you can be without being officially labeled a domestic terrorist, has an interesting (but very long) article on McCain.

Follows the premise that if you think Bush is bad, wait till you see what McCain will do in office.  Paints mccain as a ex alcoholic, gambler that used nepotism to navigate through the naval ranks, despite consistent dismal performance (ex. his graduating rank from the academy, the fact that he crashed numerous navy planes... even before his vietnam capture... which if it wasn\'t for his connections, would have lost him his naval wings)

It was such an outragous read that even I question some of the "facts" in it, and I\'m praying that robotic old bastard doesn\'t win.

I read the RS article and they actually don\'t really say anything that is new. They simply bio him in a not so flattering way. The problem is that McCain is kind of an asshole, has been an asshole all his life.

Any guy who dumps his wife because she was in a serious auto accident and is no longer the beauty he remembers is a total asshole. The same woman who stood by and waited wondering if he would ever come home from Vietnam alive, the mother of (some of) his children. A woman who was willing to accept a broken John McCain back. Nope, she isn\'t a model anymore so I\'ll dump her and marry a younger richer version. The guy is a total ass.

And he has only himself to blame for getting shot down in Vietnam. He shouldn\'t have been flying in the first place. He crashed 3 planes and was behind the stick of 2 others being damaged. His father was an Admiral, then promoted to head of all US Asian/Pacific Theatre. The only reason that he was flying is because of who his dad was, the only reason he became liaison between the Navy and Congress was because of his dad (who also held the job). The Only reason he was reinstated as a pilot after Vietnam was because of his father (he can\'t even raise his arms above his head) He then crashed a private plane as well.

Let us not forget the S&L scandal from the 1980\'s when McCain and his buddies Malkin and Keating were responsible for the original banking collapse.