This may start a war with the OE people, but I look at this from a different perspective - listening to a live recording after the fact. When I hear OE, it\'s cool, but at about 13-14minutes in, I\'m looking at my mp3 player to see how long I\'ve been listening to the song because I\'m ready for the jam to end and go back into the end of the song; I don\'t ever have that problem with MV. I think people are into songs when they are there, but after the fact may think back and say, I don\'t remember it being that long. For example, Phish - Rock and Roll (Hartford/99). I enjoyed it when I saw it, but I can\'t take a 30 minute ambient jam after the song has ended; I usual find myself going to the next track.
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