Author Topic: Setlist: 2007-10-27 - 9th Fonghoulish Freakout:Higher Ground; So. Burlington, VT  (Read 43783 times)

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« Reply #165 on: November 01, 2007, 09:26:52 pm »
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heard this epic news last night from a disco head I went to the show with
word got around I guess...
then while having a cigg outside chevy another person approached me about the aforementioned events of serness...

really hope 08\' puts this band into the empire status of phish where they belong...


Anyways, do I think The Breakfast could sell out theaters and throw down with a few thousand strong? Absolutely. That\'s where I hope to see them. They are more than deserving of Biscuits and Umphrey\'s status.... Phish, not so much imo.


I getcha....
I guess I was reflecting on the moment...
but most def ump/bis tax brackets tho...now that\'s attainable...
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« Reply #166 on: November 01, 2007, 09:48:59 pm »
indeed it is.

and i understand. i say things like that all the time when caught up in the moment. and then i come back to reality.
"The Breakfast should be fucking headlining Brazil brah.......... yeah, the whole country......... yeah i know......... so what."
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« Reply #167 on: November 01, 2007, 11:11:29 pm »
NIIICCCEE!!!


Glady\'s^^^

^^^ with \'I am the Walrus\' (Beatles) ending.



court is adjourned.....
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« Reply #168 on: November 02, 2007, 02:15:47 pm »
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haha..abby have you repressed the "hot tamale" yet?  i just remembered it a minute ago and had to share  :)

ps - hope your feeling ok.  i hope i didn\'t get anyone sick at the freakout.  my bad if i did

Ok, that waitress also helped make my weekend (fade to HeadieJedie, Stefpav, and Deevahgrl trying to get their grease on at a diner on Saturday morning...)
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Waitress: I don\'t know HOWWWW I\'m carrying 3 coffees at once! *slight drool*

Stefpav: Oh yeah, Hot tamale!

Waitress:  .....my husband has an apron.

Us: .....*???*....

Waitress: It has a tamale on it.

deevahgrl: hey, that\'s great

HeadieJedie: what the...?

Waitress:  It says Hot Tamale.  *laughs the scariest laugh I have EVER heard*

Us: ....heh, heh, hahaha...?
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Flash back to Now:  Maybe you had to be there, but WE were clearly in the twilight zone.


PS: I\'m not sick, yet ;-)  I\'ll keep you posted though!  Feel better soon.
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« Reply #169 on: November 02, 2007, 02:23:43 pm »
listening to this show does make me wonder why the band hasn\'t invested in vocal lessons by now... across the board i\'m hearing "great music but the vocals are worse than the biscuits..." and thatts hard to argue (the \'he was doing a tony clifton impersonation\' only works sometimes). tim\'s got a voice, he just doesn\'t use it to its fullest... some of the harmonies (where they have obviously practiced them) sound *great*, but then back to overly hammed-up cheesiness. is it insecurity in his voice? too much energy coming through? trying to be unique? either way, its *definitely* time...

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« Reply #170 on: November 02, 2007, 02:51:01 pm »
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listening to this show does make me wonder why the band hasn\'t invested in vocal lessons by now... across the board i\'m hearing "great music but the vocals are worse than the biscuits..." and thatts hard to argue (the \'he was doing a tony clifton impersonation\' only works sometimes). tim\'s got a voice, he just doesn\'t use it to its fullest... some of the harmonies (where they have obviously practiced them) sound *great*, but then back to overly hammed-up cheesiness. is it insecurity in his voice? too much energy coming through? trying to be unique? either way, its *definitely* time...


^I absolutely agree, and im glad someone finally brought this up.  phish, for example, reminds me of the breakfast\'s vocals in their mid-late 80\'s shows.  instead of getting lessons, they simply exaggerated their voices to make them sound goofy so people wouldnt take them seriously.  in fact, when i played the lawn boy set for my friend, he said tim\'s voice in SOAM sounded like "Gordo when hes trying to sound like an asshole."

With that said, phish did get vocal lessons, and it helped immensely.  I was talking to my other friend about the breakfast recently and i told him that was the only thing i think the breakfast lacks.  They dont need to be proessional singers, they just need to be able to pronounce their voices so you can hear what the lyrics are, and be able to sing along.  I hardly know the words to ANY breakfast songs, and I listen to them constantly

As much as people knock phish for nonsense lyrics (which i admit a lot of them are), they still were able to write catchy lines that people could sing along with, and articulate them loudly and clearly so the audience can enjoy them.  This is definitely an area that the breakfast can/should work on.
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« Reply #171 on: November 02, 2007, 04:55:49 pm »
From what I recall (I streamed a bit of the show while doing other things the other day), Ludwig Von Ostreicher\'s voice was just painful to hear.

Can\'t wait to listen to this show over the weekend.
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« Reply #172 on: November 02, 2007, 05:05:16 pm »
yup, everything about vocs i agree with
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« Reply #173 on: November 02, 2007, 05:11:20 pm »
I don\'t know I have always thought Phish\'s vocals sounded abysmal live... thoughout their whole career.

I think Tim actually has a decent voice; he just doesn\'t know how to use it.
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« Reply #174 on: November 02, 2007, 06:16:46 pm »
I think the Breakfast\'s vocals are an opportunity for improvement, but still they\'re usually at least OK and at times very good.  But this show was especially tough vocally...I\'m not sure why that happened.  Tim and Ron have come really, really far with their vocals over the years though.  Listen to any tape from 98-00 and you\'ll see what I mean.  Tim\'s solo shows have helped him along and Ron has gone from little singing ability back in the day to really good in his parts.  We\'ve heard The Breakfast sound great vocally plenty of times doing all their songs, including heavy vocal arrangement tunes like Beauty Sleep, Episode 2, Vera Street, and Overexposure to name a few.  It just didn\'t really happen at this show, which is too bad because it\'s heavily circulated.  However, The Breakfast do have complex and meaningful vocal arrangements throughout their catalogue that they usually nail pretty well.    

As for Phish...they were tough at first but if we\'re talking say maybe 1995 and later, they\'re so good vocally that it\'s easy to fall into the trap of thinking they\'re bad if they happened to be less than perfect.  I\'m not saying Trey is Marvin Gaye up there but they hit everything and they had more complexity, originality, and difficulty in their vocal arrangements than most bands have in their entire songs.  And they\'re up there hitting them every night so consistently that you stop thinking about it and take it for granted.  How many Phish songs should I name that have crazy vocal parts that they would nail every time and you could just forget how good they are?  Split Open and Melt, Theme From The Bottom, I Didn\'t Know, Halley\'s Comet, Geulah Papyrus, It\'s Ice, Character Zero, The Curtain, Famous Mockingbird, Vultures, Mound to name a few...these are insane vocal tunes.  And sure Phish weren\'t The Platters either, but for some emotion how about Trey on When The Circus Comes to Town, or Page on Velvet Sea and Strange Design, or everyone on Roggae or Hello My Baby?  Phish could sing, don\'t forget it!
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« Reply #175 on: November 02, 2007, 06:18:23 pm »
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I think Tim actually has a decent voice; he just doesn\'t know how to use it.


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« Reply #176 on: November 02, 2007, 06:28:58 pm »
the breakfast singing (most) breakfast songs is much much easier on the ears than the breakfast singing lawnboy. That said, vocal lessons can only help so why not do it.
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« Reply #177 on: November 02, 2007, 06:35:31 pm »
Trey has the voice of an angel.

I really think Tim\'s voice is good and has only gotten much better since I started seeing the band.
Ron\'s voice is great for covering Sting and Rush :lol:
Adrian fills the gap, I\'m glad he\'s doing Drunk Monk Bar now, he\'s starting to sound pretty good doing it.
Matt seems like he has no practice singing, but I don\'t think his voice is inherently *bad*.

The main thing for The Breakfast is for these guys to realize their vocal strengths and weaknesses and to write songs that take advantage of their strengths and avoid their weaknesses.

Vocals like those in the halfway-point of Buquebus, with weird timing and funkyness overall, that\'s what I\'m talking about. These vocals may not have angelic overtones and they don\'t seem that difficult to sing, but they way they sing it is fun as hell.

Tunage is a good example of a new song that has vocals that kick ass and suck side by side. The funky fast part that Tim sings and then Ron sings "Tuuuneage" rules. Tim is great at singing like that and Ron\'s totally got that high voice background vocal covered. This part of the song kicks ass and its mostly thanks to the vocals. But then the part right after it where Tim is sorta just talking, its definitely lacking. I spend this part of the song waiting for the other part of the song to come back.

Personally I\'m not worried about their vocals, I love it. I just wrote this in response to the comment that they have worse vocals than Bisco. I think this is true sometimes but The Breakfast have much greater potential if they keep their vocals funky and fun.

Ya know, except for Good Things or Mooboos. Tim\'s got that covered and I think he does a good job.

Mooboos, Tim sings it all emotionally using as clean a voice as he can muster, but then there\'s that part "In my thoughtssssssssssssssssssss" .. That rules. We all know that rules. Breakfast rules at stuff like that.
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« Reply #178 on: November 02, 2007, 07:07:09 pm »
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The main thing for The Breakfast is for these guys to realize their vocal strengths and weaknesses and to write songs that take advantage of their strengths and avoid their weaknesses.


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I have been thinking the same thing.  There are some songs I can sing like the original studio performer, others that do not sound nearly as optimal given my abilities.   I have been thinking about what my original material would sound like if I had any, given the songs I can belt out like a pro (I was literally walking around outside on lunchbreak singing solo).  I\'d assume the vocal arrangement is probably the last piece of the songwriting process for the band.  

Practice sessions should gauge whether or not they sound up to par for Lawnboy vocals and the final product should come as no surprise.  

As far as lessons go, these guys have taught themselves so much that they can probably take the vocals to another level of proficiency on their own.   Maybe a professional can analyze their abilities and help guide the lyrical arrangement process, but they seem sufficient if left to their own constructs.
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« Reply #179 on: November 02, 2007, 07:12:44 pm »
Come on Seth just because they could hit notes correctly doesn\'t mean they have nice voices. Also... for some reason Trey was often singing notes that were clearly out of his vocal range, leaving me just waiting for his voice to crack. He often sounded so strained it was ridiculous.
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