HEROES Season 2!!!

[davepeck]

SO glad the Hiro/Japan is (or, appears to be) over! great ending tonight. still more build-up, but i\'m liking the pace.

[jocelyn]

Yeah the Hiro in Japan was seriously dull.

[derickw]

ya, they ended that just in time. back to saving the world.

so i guess Jessica is the starter of the plague but the other guy (Dr.) is still dead was there anybody left in that group picture?

[Me!]

"Next week all your questions will be answered..."  :rolleyes:  suuure they will.

[davepeck]

Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here\'s his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW \'\'We assumed the audience wanted season 1 — a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.\'\'

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter\'s vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. \'\'We took too long to get to the big-picture story,\'\' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN\'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) \'\'shouldn\'t have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) — by weaving her in via Peter\'s story line — is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.\'\' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won\'t make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro\'s (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) — finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it \'\'should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn\'t give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.\'\'

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. \'\'I\'ve seen more convincing romances on TV,\'\' he admits. \'\'In retrospect, I don\'t think romance is a natural fit for us.\'\'

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale — a move inspired by the writers\' strike and a desire to give the show \'\'a clean slate\'\' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who\'ve tuned out: \'\'The message is that we\'ve heard the complaints — and we\'re doing something about it.\'\'

[kindm's]

Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here\'s his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW \'\'We assumed the audience wanted season 1 — a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.\'\'

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter\'s vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. \'\'We took too long to get to the big-picture story,\'\' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN\'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) \'\'shouldn\'t have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) — by weaving her in via Peter\'s story line — is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.\'\' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won\'t make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro\'s (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) — finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it \'\'should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn\'t give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.\'\'

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. \'\'I\'ve seen more convincing romances on TV,\'\' he admits. \'\'In retrospect, I don\'t think romance is a natural fit for us.\'\'

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale — a move inspired by the writers\' strike and a desire to give the show \'\'a clean slate\'\' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who\'ve tuned out: \'\'The message is that we\'ve heard the complaints — and we\'re doing something about it.\'\'

Interesting.

I agree that this season has been slow. The only storylines I found remotely interesting were Hiro and Peter. The rest of it disjointed and somewhat stupid. I always liked Hiro so that is probably why I was interested in his adventure in the past, but I agree that it was taking too long and they didn\'t really go anywhere with it. They maya, sylar, alejandro stuff was just boring, they killed off the shape shifter w/o any hype or reason really and she was a very interesting character and a useful plot tool, with being able to manipulate what is being seen etc.

[Me!]

fuckin writers.  It may have worked out for the best for heroes, but if this fucks up House I\'m gonna be upset.

[jocelyn]

I cannot even express how much this new blonde chick irritates me. (I think her name is Elle? Elle is a stupid name.) I really would like to kick her in the teeth. I am not even sure WHY she is so annoying.

[davepeck]

those will be the last bad words you speak of kristen bell. kthx.

[jocelyn]

Just because someone is attractive doesn\'t mean they aren\'t annoying. Come on now.

[davepeck]

Just because someone is attractive doesn\'t mean they aren\'t annoying. Come on now.

that\'s unheard of.

[jocelyn]

:lol:

[Me!]

sorry joc I\'m with dave on this one.  blinded by her beauty.  anybody rember her role on deadwood.

i was pleasantly surprised by this episode.  better than i expected.

[derickw]

ahhh it was the same the other season. everybody wants instant gratification

[davepeck]

another quality ep last night.

glad they finally got the adam/hiro\'s dad thing out there. it was pretty obvious, but, at least it\'s done.

wish they could have kept HRG dead for a little longer than 10 minutes. i mean, as soon as he got shot, i thought there was no way he could be dead and off the show, but i think the whole effect would have been better if they\'d played it out a little bit. but i guess with only 2 episodes left, there\'s not much room to work with.

guess the question now is, who brought him back? did he and mohinder have the whole thing scripted from the start? did KB bring him back, since she may not trust daddy anymore after HRG put a little doubt in her head? maybe even Adam? this one i\'m stumped on.