Recording industry sinks to a new low...

[Lexington]

i wonder if bands are supposed to pay for teases too?

[Stephengencs]

I just sure do hope that the Zappa Family Trust does not get their hands on any Breakfast shows.......or the cover to the first album Psychedelic Breakfast....

[Lexington]

gail zappa= rusty kuntz

[kartoon42]

this is the most rediculous thing ive ever seen. it reminds me of that south park episode about downloading music, "now lars ulrich(spelling?) will have to settle for gold lined bathroom tiles instead of the platinum ones he wanted, still no big deal?"

[kindm's]

This is the problem with the world today.

Everybody wants everything for free and no one wants to pay for it.

How do you think these folks make a living ?

Sure you can name a few mega artists that made millions selling albums but that makes up such a small percentage of working musicians.

What about the song writers who have the artists perform their songs ? Like the example earlier in the thread about Britney Spears\' writing people. What about them ? They aren\'t mega millionaires do they not deserve to get paid ?

here is a better example.

Should Eric Clapton not pay Bob Marley for singing "I Shot the Sheriff" ? or recording it ? It made him millions of dollars. he didn\'t write the song or the music. I guess it is OK because they all ended up being rich ?

What about all the arguments about Led Zeppelin playing music that was not theirs. Did the original Blues musicians who wrote that music not deserve any $

[Stephengencs]

I was always under the impression that live "covers" were not considered a copyright infringement.......

Obviously if you are going to package and sell a recording (live or studio) which contained someone else\'s material, then yes, there needs to be some kind of financial satisfaction for the original artist, but this is proposterous....

[Drew_Kingsley]

I think we\'ve strayed from the point of the thread.  The coffee shop in the original article has, "no cover charge" and "no pay for the musicians".  That\'s far different than, for example, "I Shot the Sheriff" appearing on an Eric Clapton album that has sold millions of copies.

Clapton had to pay Marley (and associates), Schumacher shouldn\'t owe Dave Matthews a dime.  It\'s a world of difference.

[derickw]

here, you can add this bullshit to this list of other bullshit

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/flamingchickens/pointlesslaws.html

[SlimPickens]

How do you think these folks make a living ?

They make their money when artists record the song and sell it on an album.

Charging some coffee shop owner money because they\'ve got some local artist performing covers seems greedy.

Obviously this coffee shop story is an extreme situation, but I think it points out a flaw in the system.

On the converse, I think that a venue like Toad\'s that brings in a cover band and charges a fee to see that band should be paying into the copy write system.

I was always under the impression that live "covers" were not considered a copyright infringement.......

from the ASCAP site

WHAT ASCAP LICENSES:
At a nightclub, music creates that party atmosphere;

[peaches626]

dont have time to read all this, but i know that there are created averages and percentages that calculates how often songs are played by each musician for each year, and they get paid based on those calculations.  so no, if you only play jackson browne songs, jackson browne does not get all your money.  but, jackson browne gets a percentage of all the pay that ALL recorded musicians make from the year, including thousands of performances where his music was not played at all.

im stoned and dont know if that makes any sense at all. but i know im right.

[kindm's]

Again it doesn\'t matter if the venue, any venue charges YOU to hear music they are benefiting from music being played

The fact that non-commercial music (ie radio station music, they already paid the fees) is being played in a venue means the business is profiting from it. You might not think that way but it is a real thing

We don\'t charge people to listen to our hold music. Does that mean we shouldn\'t have to pay ASCAP for the use of their artists music ?

this is not the RIAA that is doing this this is the folks protecting artists. If you have a problem with ASCAP then you have a problem with all the artist that ASCAP represents.

And by the way Business is about $ not making people feel good. Its about dollars and cents. If what you do for a living makes people feel good then great but it is all about the $ and don\'t try and kid yourself that it isn\'t.

People work to make $. they write songs for a living etc etc.

And technically The Breakfast and Schumacher and everyone else for that matter do indeed owe the song writers they cover $. They play those songs because they are popular or appeal to their fanbase or will bring in X # of folks who like the red Hot Chili Peppers or whatever. It helps them to become better known or more popular etc.

I would imagine taht if any of you wrote a song and it was used by a large touring act live you guys would be the first in line to lawyer up and get paid.

[SlimPickens]

And technically The Breakfast and Schumacher and everyone else for that matter do indeed owe the song writers they cover $. They play those songs because they are popular or appeal to their fanbase or will bring in X # of folks who like the red Hot Chili Peppers or whatever. It helps them to become better known or more popular etc.

I would imagine taht if any of you wrote a song and it was used by a large touring act live you guys would be the first in line to lawyer up and get paid.

Technically, shouldn\'t the breakfast & schumacher be covered by the venue\'s paying these fee\'s to ASCAP? Or does ASCAP double dip, hitting the venue and the cover artist?

I think your view of this issue is too black & white. The free advertising that an artist receives by having someone cover their song (on the "coffee shop" scale... and maybe a little above) should outweigh the technical letter of the copy write law.

If I was a mid-level song writer getting a cup of coffee at a crowded shop and someone covered my song, as long as they mentioned my name, I\'d be psyched.

If I was a wealthy song writer... I wouldn\'t be in a stupid coffee shop because half naked women would be serving me beverages via carafes nestled in their bosom.

[Todd]

here, you can add this bullshit to this list of other bullshit

http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/flamingchickens/pointlesslaws.html

New Hampshire
You may not tap your feet, nod your head, or in any way keep time to the music in a tavern, restaurant, or cafe.

:lol: Stone Church is fucked!!

[skalnbyc]

Up next:

Recording industry representatives comb city streets for bums playing cover tunes in public.  "empty out that bucket (or hat) of nickels"

[FreeSpirit]

If I was a wealthy song writer... I wouldn\'t be in a stupid coffee shop because half naked women would be serving me beverages via carafes nestled in their bosom.

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