Author Topic: Dark Side of the Rainbow (Read 5977 times)

skalnbyc · « **Reply #30 on:** November 10, 2004, 10:55:06 pm »

Good research Leith, though the reality is that the uniformity between the two will be forever mystified.

skalnbyc · « **Reply #31 on:** November 10, 2004, 10:59:09 pm »

It was a haunting experience when I happened to arrive at an apartment showing the film and album a number of years ago. I totally forgot about it for the last 8 years.

leith · « **Reply #32 on:** November 10, 2004, 11:18:01 pm »

Thanx. My work life consists of hanging out w/ stagehands and other recreational drug users that have music as a large part of their lives. This has been a subject of debate for a real long time and i am astounded @ the amt of people that still do not believe it is mere coincidence, when it really is just one of those things that make ya go hmmmmm.

skalnbyc · « **Reply #33 on:** November 10, 2004, 11:24:10 pm »

I believe that it could have been a mere coincidence. Some of the most groundbreaking inventions, recipes and pharmaceutical drugs have materialized when the experiment went wrong. Sometimes accident is the catalyst for innovation rather than creativity.

Drew_Kingsley · « **Reply #34 on:** November 10, 2004, 11:25:14 pm »

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From a geocities site:

That may be your first clue that this isn\'t the gospel truth.

This passage still doesn\'t answer the question, "Who found this \'coincidence?" I personally find it more likely that it was intentional and the band anonymously leaked it than that some random cat trippin\' on something decided to watch The Wizard of Oz with Dark Side of Moon playing.

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Originally posted by leith
The rumor also overlooks one seemingly obvious point: Roger Waters did not have control over the lengths of the songs. The songs for The Dark Side of the Moon were developed during tours in 1972. The tempos were very different during those tours. In particular, "Time" was played much slower. "On the Run" was a guitar jam, bearing no resemblance to what appeared on the album. (In fact, David Gilmour has stated that "On the Run" was written at the very last minute, improvised in the studio.) These early performances of Dark Side do not match the film.

Let\'s see... the only source for any of these statements is the paraphrased statement by Gilmour that "On the Run" was written at the very last minute, improvised in the studio. Why? Is it completely out of the realm of possibilities that it was written to synch up with The Wizard of Oz?

All of the information in this passage is either uncited or cited to somebody who would be "in on" the Wizard of Oz thing. I\'m not saying it\'s definitely not a coincidence, but I\'m reading the same thing that you are, and it doesn\'t read like proof to me.

leith · « **Reply #35 on:** November 10, 2004, 11:35:44 pm »

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Originally posted by leith
From a geocities site:
To cause the album to match the film, you must start the CD of Dark Side of the Moon at exactly the right moment while The Wizard of Oz plays on your VCR. It does not work with a vinyl copy of the album because you have to stop to flip the album over, and the timing is thrown off. The CD is, in fact, a bit different from the vinyl LP. The fade-out of "The Great Gig In the Sky" has been shortened by several seconds, and now segues directly into the beginning of "Money." v As one fan rhetorically wondered, if Waters did intend the album to be played to the film, what VCR did Waters expect people to play the film on back in 1973? And where was someone to get a compact disk when CDs would not be invented for ten years?

(Drew how can you argue this paragraph is hearsay?)

The rumor also overlooks one seemingly obvious point: Roger Waters did not have control over the lengths of the songs. The songs for The Dark Side of the Moon were developed during tours in 1972. The tempos were very different during those tours. In particular, "Time" was played much slower. "On the Run" was a guitar jam, bearing no resemblance to what appeared on the album. (In fact, David Gilmour has stated that "On the Run" was written at the very last minute, improvised in the studio.) These early performances of Dark Side do not match the film.

(This one also, these are facts well known to any Floydphile.)

"Breathe in the Air" was largely written by David Gilmour. Gilmour is also primarily responsible for many instrumental passages in "Time", "Money", "Any Colour You Like" and other songs. If Waters secretly timed the album to the film, how did he convince Gilmour to match his solos to the film? And how did he convince Gilmour and Wright to meticulously time their free-form jamming in "Any Colour You Like"?

( Can you answer this?)

The song "Great Gig in the Sky"-supposedly written to match the tornado scene perfectly-was written by Rick Wright, without help from others. How could Waters convince Wright to time the song to the scene, without Wright knowing? Waters had no hand in authorship of the song.

(Wright has said he wrote this w/o help.)

Scoring a soundtrack to match a film is an involving process. It involves timing a click track to the film, and meticulously charting the precise moment when events occur within the length of the click track. But the fact is, Dark Side was developed on the road, with much of the material coming out of unstructured jams. The way the album was written rules out definitively any possibility that the album was intentionally written to match the film.

(This is again common knowledge)

I used this particular page as it is very concise. I can list a few more which debunk this even more but i will need to find which folder I saved them in.

I do agree though Drew it would be nice to know who discovered the cd version matched in so many places to the the tape version of the film. Some techie kid in film school or some such is my guess.

leith · « **Reply #36 on:** November 10, 2004, 11:38:34 pm »

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Originally posted by alexanderzurflu
I believe that it could have been a mere coincidence. Some of the most groundbreaking inventions, recipes and pharmaceutical drugs have materialized when the experiment went wrong. Sometimes accident is the catalyst for innovation rather than creativity.

April 16th 1943 springs to mind

dump_sitay · « **Reply #37 on:** November 11, 2004, 02:33:44 am »

it\'s been a while since i\'ve done it, but these stick out in my mind: the munchkins march around the yellow brick road to the bass line in Money.

and toward the beginning, (don\'t recall what song it is) there is a lyric saying "...which is which" and at that exact moment, the old woman on the bicycle turns into the wicked witch riding on a broomstick.

-drew.

leith · « **Reply #38 on:** November 11, 2004, 03:10:53 am »

For great examples of synchronicity put in any improv rock band as the soundtrack for a sking or surfing DVD. You will find so many pieces that sync up its ridiculous. Step Into Liquid to The Breakfast 2/27/04 is a favorite of mine. Many jams to go with the dvd.

davepeck · « **Reply #39 on:** November 11, 2004, 06:38:26 am »

damn, this has to be the fastest growing thread ever here!

drew, hopefully FU has this on dvd, already synched up, with 2-3 playthroughs. otherwise, things might slip off, and won\'t be as precise. i\'ve got the dvd, and it really is amazing.

you guys should all check out The Definitive List, for a list of all the \'coincidences\' on first, second, AND third playthrough! silly.

leith · « **Reply #40 on:** November 11, 2004, 01:49:13 pm »

The definitive list is pretty helpful for the playback after the first runthrough for sure.

Drew_Kingsley · « **Reply #41 on:** November 12, 2004, 08:15:09 pm »

I just checked out the first playthrough of Dark Side. I am completely convinced that it is not a coincidence...

However, as my philosophy professor mentioned today, "If an ape reads a book, it\'s going to see an ape looking back out".

leith · « **Reply #42 on:** November 13, 2004, 12:10:38 am »

If it is a case of synchronicity it was done by someone other than Pink Floyd. The question still begs who did it not that it is there. IMO

obsession600 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 13, 2004, 02:46:12 pm »

I think a stronger case can be made for the Echoes/2001 sync being intentional. From what I remember reading the band was approached by Kubrick about doing part of the score but they decided to decline the offer. Then after seeing the film in the theater they regretted the decision and challenged themselves to score the ending as personal consolation.
The track starts right at the title card for the last scene and times out perfectly to end with the beginning of the credits. Some of the transitions are dead on but some of the other stuff does not work out as well. I have watched it a couple of times and I am still undecided. There are a lot of people who know a lot more about this than I do and they have the websites to prove it.
http://www.eeggs.com/items/30914.html
http://www.synchronicityarkive.com/display.php?view=2

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Author Topic: Dark Side of the Rainbow (Read 5977 times)