joe~ check out riddle\'s penultimate wine bar & cafe in the loop. its across the street (basically) from the tivoli. i loved that place when i was out there. still have a pint glass from my last night in st louis. they even bought a bottle of black label bushmills for my parting gift. there\'s another place i really liked, but it wasn\'t in the loop, it was in the more arty section (who\'s name i\'m spacing). it was a house-like structure with a wild paint job and a huge, great patio out back. across the street from a straight up biker bar, if i remember correctly... also, if you ever head south to festus/crystal city, there\'s a great burger place at the stoplight. might even be called stoplight burgers...