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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2008, 03:24:56 pm »
ignorance is one of the strongest powers in the universe, second only to stupidity.
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2008, 04:53:45 pm »
come on!  that pic is funny shit.

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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2008, 11:30:50 am »
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Don\'t Buy Into The Supercollider Hype
By MICHIO KAKU
September 13, 2008; Page A13

If you can read this sentence, congratulations! You just survived the official opening of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), which an army of critics claim might create mini black holes that will devour the earth. This colossal machine outside Geneva, the largest machine of science ever created, went to full power for the first time on Wednesday, and by mid-October the first real collisions will take place inside the machine.

Amusingly, the LHC criticism has backfired, similar to the way that media criticism of Gov. Sarah Palin has. The more the critics slammed the machine, the more curiosity and intense interest it generated. Subatomic particle physics and string theory, hardly the subject of dinner table conversation, suddenly became the talk of the town. There\'s now even a rap song about the LHC that\'s become an instant, monster hit on YouTube.

At the heart of this debate is a truly mammoth machine, 17 miles in circumference, straddling the French-Swiss border. After $8 billion and 14 years of work by thousands of physicists and engineers, the LHC has finally been fired up. It\'s purpose is to accelerate two beams of protons to 99.999999% light speed in a huge tube in opposite directions and then slam them into each other to recreate the sizzling temperatures found at the instant of the Big Bang, and thereby unlock the greatest secrets of the universe.

At the very least, physicists hope to find a new particle, called the Higgs boson, the last piece of the Standard Model of particles. But some physicists hope to do even better. The LHC might shed light on the "theory of everything," a single theory which can explain all fundamental forces of the universe, a theory which eluded Albert Einstein for the last 30 years of his life. This is the Holy Grail of physics. Einstein hoped it would allow us to "read the Mind of God."

Today, the leading (and only) candidate for this fabled theory of everything is called "string theory," which is what I do for for a living. Our visible universe, according to this theory, represents only the lowest vibration of tiny vibrating strings. The LHC might find something called "sparticles," or super particles, which represent higher vibrations of the string. If so, the LHC might even verify the existence of higher dimensions of space-time, which would truly be an earth-shaking discovery.

But why, some ask, is this machine being built in Europe, and not the U.S.? President Ronald Reagan originally wanted to build a much larger machine, called the Super Conducting Super Collider, outside Dallas, Texas, to maintain U.S. leadership in advanced physics. Congress allotted $1 billion to dig a huge circular hole for the machine. But Congress got cold feet and cancelled it in 1993. Then Congress gave physicists another $1 billion to fill up the hole! As a consequence, Congress guaranteed that leadership in advanced physics would pass from the U.S. to Europe.

Still, critics cling to the fact that the LHC might produce mini black holes that will somehow destroy our world. They\'ve even filed a lawsuit in a U.S. District Court in Hawaii demanding an injunction to stop the machine. (While the LHC is outside U.S. jurisdiction, many of its key components come from America, so the lawsuit could, theoretically, cripple the project.)

But if the critics and scaremongers knew their physics, they\'d be less frantic. First of all, Mother Nature can hurl cosmic rays of astronomically greater energy than anything the puny Large Hadron Collider can produce. In fact, the LHC is actually a pea shooter compared to what the universe has been hurling at the earth for billions of years. Yet the earth is still here.

Second, these mini black holes are subatomic in size, so tiny they are invisible, like an electron or proton. Their entire energy would not even light up a single light bulb. Black holes, like cats, come in all sizes, from ferocious tigers and lions to purring hoo haa cats.

Third, these mini black holes are unstable and decay much too quickly to do any damage. These subatomic black holes simply evaporate away (via something called Hawking radiation) faster than the blink of an eye.

There is actually a parallel with the past, in which the media misled the people. Back in 1910, the media correctly stated that the earth would soon pass through the tail of Halley\'s Comet. The media also correctly stated that there might be poisonous gases in the tail. Almost overnight, these reports sparked mass hysteria around the world -- rumors spread like wildfire, gas masks were sold in the streets, would-be prophets warned of the Apocalypse.

But the media failed to report that the tail of a comet is extremely rarefied -- all the dust in the tail could probably fit inside a suitcase. Eventually the headlines and the panic subsided, and scientists were given a bonanza as they analyzed the comet\'s tail. Similarly, once the hyperventilating critics get bored with the LHC and find something else to pounce on, science will move on to unlock the secrets of Genesis.

Mr. Kaku, professor of theoretical physics at City University of New York, is the author of "Physics of the Impossible: A Scientific Investigation into the World of Phasers, Force Fields, Teleportation, and Time Travel" (Doubleday Books, 2008).


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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2008, 01:48:16 pm »
man, I\'m really dreading the buildup to december 2012 because of idiots like that who report on things without researching them first. Nice find tyzack.
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2008, 01:59:00 pm »
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But why, some ask, is this machine being built in Europe, and not the U.S.? President Ronald Reagan originally wanted to build a much larger machine, called the Super Conducting Super Collider, outside Dallas, Texas, to maintain U.S. leadership in advanced physics. Congress allotted $1 billion to dig a huge circular hole for the machine. But Congress got cold feet and cancelled it in 1993. Then Congress gave physicists another $1 billion to fill up the hole! As a consequence, Congress guaranteed that leadership in advanced physics would pass from the U.S. to Europe.


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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2008, 02:30:10 pm »
so how big is this thing
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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2008, 02:41:05 pm »
whats happening in december 2012?
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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2008, 02:42:37 pm »
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so how big is this thing


if your talking distance, I believe it\'s a 17 mile circle
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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2008, 03:28:40 pm »
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whats happening in december 2012?


the mayan LONG COUNT calendar is going to end. Which is just the final part of the equation in a very beautiful math equation made in started on 8/11/3114 b.c by our current roman calendar. Imagine if our calendar was a math equation in base 10 (metric intervals). The equation basically says then (using our phrases)
10 days = 1 week
10 weeks = 1 year
10 years = 1 decade
10 decades = 1 century
10 centuries = eon
10 eons = 1 [...everything?..]

and so on. When you get to the highest possible level, a B\'ak\'tun, you\'ve moved approximately 390 years forward. 14 B\'ak\'tuns is the end of the cycle. You have finished one um, everything or existence or time, or whatever else you want to say. To put one more day in would have you starting the whole thing over again at day one and the equation would take another 5,126 years to cycle through to 2 _(all time)\'s_, and since you\'d have to do another 12 of them in order to complete the cycle up to the next level, you would have to write not just an additional 5,126 years of dates, but another 61,512 dates. Since they were doing this mostly with chisel and stone and it wasn\'t just putting in dates, but entering solar events like full moons and the like, would you want to stop now, or take everything you\'ve done and keep working an additional 13 times over? So they stopped the equation. It was nice and tidy and saved a couple of generations of carpultunnel. Now as 2012 approaches, everyone is freaking out that the world is going to end, just like they all did a thousand other times something happened like a turn of a century (y2k anyone?), halley\'s comet, countless calls of the rapture, and so on going back thousands of years. Hell, they thought columbus was one of their gods coming to take them to heaven when he landed, which is why they treated him so nicely.

Anyway, there are some celestial events that are going to happen that will coincide with this date that have never happened before in the history of the universe as far as we know, so if they did actually predict this, it\'s very impressive. If they didn\'t and it\'s just when they got bored and stopped making the calendar and is a major coincidence we don\'t know.


One thing is for sure though: anything like this that has ever come to light will start low years before with people who actually know something about it. The closer you get to the event, the more news will pick up on it as a fear mongering subject and everyone will start talking about it with little to no information and you\'ll start to hear things like "ancient mayans predicted that the world will end this winter!" when they never did anything of the sort. They just finished an equation and stopped writing. Just because a calendar ends on 12/31/08 doesn\'t mean there wont be a 1/1/09, but that\'s basically how it will be treated. By the end of summer you will have major news stations doing hour long specials on it and it will be all anyone is talking about. In december people will be self proclaimed experts, attendance at churches will skyrocket, there will probably be some looting and then...

the sun will come up the next morning and I\'ll laugh at all the idiots who freaked out the night before the same way I did after y2k.

I just gave you plenty of information to make a fortune playing off of peoples fears and stupidity if you\'re into that kind of thing though. Go write a book, do a circuit of talk shows and get people scared that they\'re going to die. Take there money and sit back and relax.
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2008, 03:54:55 pm »
Speaking of y2k, the "problem" will surface again roughly 1.7976931348623157E+308  seconds after some day in 1978 on windows computers.
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