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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2006, 10:35:55 am »
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stupid bitch, we should kill her.

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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2006, 10:36:07 am »
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actually, more than two patries comes with a whole slew of other problems. by building and crumbing coalitions of votes, you are constantly rearranging and re-prioritizing the agenda of the party. the aims you originally voted for could be put completely to the side in an attempt to compromise and gain votes on another issue. look at italy for an example of the effects of a number of different parties.

that\'s why you should all vote for me, jason king, as benevolent dictator extraordinaire!


Dear Sir,
As Holly said, "what if i said i was going to vote repub, then i\'m sure most people would have different things to say."
I would like what you described above to happen because it would shake the country to it\'s core and we would come out of it re-organized with a different system. Maybe it would be better, maybe it would be worse, but it would be a change and I don\'t care for the 2 giant parties and only 1/3~1/2 of the people voting. Offically I am independent, and I always have been and always will be, but that is only because they wont let you regester as an ararchist.

I always have and always will vote based on individual issues that are important to me, and I will choose my officials based on how they have ACTED on those issues, not on what they say they will do in debate in october. For the most part I ignore everything politicans say from august on and only go on thier voting records and where thier money comes from (the latter usually is the cause of the prior).
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2006, 10:40:53 am »
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i\'m not just trying to be some badass about not voting and trying to make a statement about being ignorant about politics.


Baby, you don\'t need to try. You\'ll always be my favorite badass. ;)
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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2006, 11:04:42 am »
frank~ i don\'t care who you vote for, i\'m just saying that the more parties you get involved, the less cohesive and effective any one of them can be. if the libertarians weren\'t so insane with some of their positions, they\'d actually have a really good chance of becoming a valid third party as some of their planks are dead on. but they refuse to drop some of their planks, which is good, but by doing so, they also lose their effectiveness. the greens, etc have even fewer dead on planks, putting them that much farther out of reach. personally, i\'m just about as socialist as they come, but since i don\'t have anyone to vote for (and, in this country, won\'t ever have a viable choice), i, too, go for the person, based on their actions and votes. i voted across party lines this morning, as a matter of fact. i\'ve also been a campaign manager for state house and senate races in multiple states, so i know how to look at candidates, where their money comes from, as well as understanding how and why the two parties maintain their dominance. this is actually an ideal time, socio-politically, for a rise in other parties, but until you get a prominent, charismatic figure who has the ability to loosen purse strings large and small and a strong centrist platform, then its simply not feasible. so, to recap, the current system isn\'t great, but the reality of overhauling it, while seemingly within our grasp, is still far off.

and all this talk abuot having crappy choices to vote for is easy to fix, however it requires even more voting and even more paying attention, which the average american refuses to do. you mentioned 35% which is a fairly accurate number, but that\'s on the presidential level. midterms, historically, have even lower turnout (this year will be an exception, predicted around 42%, the highest since \'82 or so). but to get decent candidates for the midterms, you have to groom them from the municipal level. and the turnout numbers for school board, city council, county commissioner, dog catcher, whatever is historically in the mid twenties, if that. but that\'s where the decent candidates get shut out. a guy with a good heart, good mind and good ideas coming from the outside actually has a chance at that level, but since they are on the outside and have little to no money or apparatus to get out their message, they get swallowed up and chewed out and disappear from politics. thus, we end up with the party-beholden, run of the mill, lesser of two evils candidates that we see now.

my favorite politician in the whole country is a guy named Harold Selby, in the missouri house. he won his election by over two to one against a four term incumbent rep in a strongly rep district. he did it by going out and personally talking to everyone in the district. he listened to what they had to say, but he also clearly defined why he wanted to get elected and exactly what he would change. he took no money whatsoever from anyone outside himself and his wife (a total of less than four grand). he was dismissed by the state dem party, he was dismissed by his opponent. yet, on election day, he prevailed. that was in 1998. he\'s still in his seat today, by running the same type of campaign every time. however, the financial and time toll it took on him was huge. very few folks are willing to make that kind of committment to fixing a problem rather than to gaining power. if we could find and groom a few more harold selby\'s, we\'d have a much better electoral choice.

ummm, what was the question?

oh yeah, vote for me, jason king, for benevolent dictator extraordinaire!

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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2006, 11:07:12 am »
:lol: or, you could do what Lieberman did - start up a whole new party called "Connecticut for Joe" :rolleyes:
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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2006, 11:14:54 am »
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my favorite politician in the whole country is a guy named Harold Selby, in the missouri house. he won his election by over two to one against a four term incumbent rep in a strongly rep district. he did it by going out and personally talking to everyone in the district. he listened to what they had to say, but he also clearly defined why he wanted to get elected and exactly what he would change. he took no money whatsoever from anyone outside himself and his wife (a total of less than four grand). he was dismissed by the state dem party, he was dismissed by his opponent. yet, on election day, he prevailed. that was in 1998. he\'s still in his seat today, by running the same type of campaign every time. however, the financial and time toll it took on him was huge. very few folks are willing to make that kind of committment to fixing a problem rather than to gaining power. if we could find and groom a few more harold selby\'s, we\'d have a much better electoral choice.

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alright, someone (other than holly) name the movie ...
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« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2006, 11:27:52 am »
I am so confused on where to vote.   I was originally registered in Staven.  But I haven\'t lived there in 4 years, but i never bothered to register anywhere else, so i guess i  have to go there.  even tho the voting place in my town now is almost across the street from me.  I think alot of people dont vote for this same stupid reason, they dont know where to go....

But i\'ll vote....staven better not give me problems....

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« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2006, 11:42:37 am »
they actually changed most of the polling places here in va, without notifying anyone. lots of stories of folks going to their usually polling places only to find it not there anymore.

no one knows that movie? should be required viewing in civics classes, if you ask me!

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« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2006, 11:47:52 am »
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no one knows that movie? should be required viewing in civics classes, if you ask me!

i actually know it, but apparently i\'m not allowed to say the name of it...

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« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2006, 11:52:27 am »
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no one knows that movie? should be required viewing in civics classes, if you ask me!

i actually know it, but apparently i\'m not allowed to say the name of it...


Your not allowed because you know it. I\'ll give extra credit though open to everyone -


1. what is he holding?
2. what is he doing? (standing is a partial answer but by the rules of congress what is he doing)
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« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2006, 12:08:46 pm »
Jimmy Stewart in "Mr. George Goes to Washington" ---- what do i win? :hscratch: ;)
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« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2006, 12:14:45 pm »
Mr Smith goes to Washington
Everywhere there\'s lots of piggies, Living piggy lives. You can see them out for dinner With their piggy wives, Clutching forks and knives To eat their bacon

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« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2006, 12:16:42 pm »
:doh: :lol: :idunno:
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« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2006, 12:26:12 pm »
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Jimmy Stewart in "Mr. George Goes to Washington" ---- what do i win? :hscratch: ;)



:sigh: :P
um, win, hmmm...
how about the ability to freely choose your governing officials free of persecution?

no one on the extra credit?
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« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2006, 12:50:44 pm »
I also believe in times like this make it more viable for a 3rd party to gain some recognition.  That is because I feel a majority of people are fed up with both major parties.  Look back to `92 when Ross Perot did pretty well.  He did well because he took strong stands on issues abandoned by the major parties (like the national deficit) and did very well in debates.   Unfortunately I think new laws prohibit 3rd party candidates from getting involved in debates without great support in national polls.  Another issue being it costs so damn much to run for a political office (I think around $200,000,000 to run a decent presidential campaign), so that right off the bat eliminates 99% of qualified candidates.  So does anyone know any billionaires who can run an upset in `08?
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