Why Does Paul Ryan Tape Things And Never Release Them?

[FrankZappa]

You of course might WANT to think of Paul as an asshole, without permission from anyone.  But we kinda like him.

Hey, I like you to Vic!

[derickw]

vic,its late and your old.
go to bed!!
lol

^^^^the pot calling the kettle black

[Whineberg]

Hey Ellis, I thought that you and Josh did a great job at the show!! Also, do bands like the Beatles and Steve Miller really come looking for royalties every time a band does their material?? That would seem very time consuming, as well as petty.

[Me!]

the band doesn\'t but their managment does, I\'m sure they pay someone to do that.....

[Whineberg]

Paul should be looking for a whole mate, not money. (some bad joke, eh?).

[princesscaspian]

We are talking a lot about video in conjunction with the new CD.  We might try to work something out with Paul on this and pay him a royalty, but that is up to Paul, the band and myself to negotiate.  We really don\'t have enough money floating around as yet to do some of these things, but we are getting there.

this would be a fantastic idea.

no offense to Ken who goes above and beyond to travel to shows, record them, burn them, and then graciously donates an overabundance of DVDs to the band. it\'s absolutely wonderful and amazing that a person would be able to do this, and it is completely 110% appreciated (im sure) by the band and the fans.

but, at the same time.... the quality of the video and audio is less than superior. and while it\'s great that we\'re "spreading the word", we\'re spreading some bad seeds... and if evolution has taught us anything, it\'s that only the fittest survive...

i guess my best frame of reference is the disco biscuits... back in 2002 or 2003 i tried to download a bunch of shows, they were poor quality, so i only gave \'em 1 spin and never really ever got into the band until i heard some soundboard stuff. i\'d certainly *hate* to see this fate for the breakfast, especially when the band is voluntarily passing out these DVDs...

so perhaps it would be worthwhile to maybe scrounge up some money for a DVD... rumor has it that skanky dancer on stage at the 1000th show was actually *hired* to be there... maybe we could drain that fund first?? iunno, just a little food for thought....

[freddiewaht]

:wah:

[Spacey]

so perhaps it would be worthwhile to maybe scrounge up some money for a DVD... rumor has it that skanky dancer on stage at the 1000th show was actually *hired* to be there... maybe we could drain that fund first?? iunno, just a little food for thought....

You want to drain a fund that produces skanky stage dancers, if anything I say get more.


actually, the princess is right. I really couldn\'t get into the Biscuits like some of my friends because I couldn\'t hear anything but bass. The vocals were shit. But whatever.

I honestly believe that when we are giving DVD\'s out they need to represent the band at their best. This really needs to be some effort put into it and the band needs to create and maintain an image. Everything in the music business today seems to relate to image in one way or another. If people see "bootlegged" quality DVDs it is not going to be a nice as people seeing "quality" DVDs but you also don\'t want to give away any DVD that you could be making money on. The nice thing about the DVD is it has image and people can use a different sense to evaluate the band instead of just there ears. It takes a lot of time, energy and effort to put things like this together and when the people of .info and the fans are the ones who initiate and mandate it, we should stand by them.

[ChrisF]

if you guys want to help out why dont you run cameras at some shows? these days its not a problem for us to get 7 cameras if we plan in advance, but there are usually only 1-3 people actually operating them. it looks much more professional when the shots are actually moving, but most of the time all but 1 or 2 camera angles are static shots.

i have no problem spending a 100 hours per show editing video without getting paid, but if we have more camera operators the footage will be much better and i would be more motivated to get these done in a few weeks rather than a few months.

[Todd]

You want to drain a fund that produces skanky stage dancers, if anything I say get more.

Right on!!
This one wasn\'t even paid!!! :lol:

I honestly believe that when we are giving DVD\'s out they need to represent the band at their best. This really needs to be some effort put into it and the band needs to create and maintain an image.

This is why the current dvd\'s should not state/ be represented as coming from "The Band"!!

you also don\'t want to give away any DVD that you could be making money on.

:that:

if you guys want to help out why dont you run cameras at some shows?

Rots-a-ruck rit rat run Rorge!!!!

[FrankZappa]

paying for a dancer at a show = can work if done right. This did not. Ron was joking that during one of the songs he started to walk over by her and she ran off stage, only to come right back on. Also, all she did was the same dance for 2 songs. When I think of paying someone to dance at a show I think of rob zombie who had dancers throughout his entire set in cages on the side of the stage. Not 1 dancer for 2 songs at toads place.

whatever.

If people were to help shoot it would definetly make a better production. As Vic said, your all free to tape, and if you did and saw how much work went into it, you might not be complaining so much (only aimed at a select few).

[derickw]

if you guys want to help out why dont you run cameras at some shows? these days its not a problem for us to get 7 cameras if we plan in advance, but there are usually only 1-3 people actually operating them. it looks much more professional when the shots are actually moving, but most of the time all but 1 or 2 camera angles are static shots.

i have no problem spending a 100 hours per show editing video without getting paid, but if we have more camera operators the footage will be much better and i would be more motivated to get these done in a few weeks rather than a few months.

i could help out but couldn\'t guarantee taping the whole show

[ChrisF]

i could help out but couldn\'t guarantee taping the whole show

maybe a few other people could take care of one camera with you and you guys could keep switching so no one is stuck behind a camera all night. that would be one way to do it.

[derickw]

i could help out but couldn\'t guarantee taping the whole show

maybe a few other people could take care of one camera with you and you guys could keep switching so no one is stuck behind a camera all night. that would be one way to do it.

whatever man, just hand me a camera and give me a quick how to and i\'ll do what i can

[Spacey]

do we need to buy a camera or would they be supplied?

i could help out but couldn\'t guarantee taping the whole show

maybe a few other people could take care of one camera with you and you guys could keep switching so no one is stuck behind a camera all night. that would be one way to do it.

whatever man, just hand me a camera and give me a quick how to and i\'ll do what i can

that doesn\'t mean taking video of yourself in the bathroom at a show...