Author Topic: [torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA (Read 6835 times)

CraigT · « **on:** June 23, 2005, 08:50:42 am »

16bit/44.1k (CD quality)
24bit/96k (DVD quality)

The Breakfast
May 14, 2005
North-by-Northwest - Philadelphia, PA

Source: Studio Projects ***2 (cards x/y 90*, FOB)> Lunatec V3 (24bit/96k)> PDAudio-CF> iPaq 3835 (Live2496, Addonics Pocket ExDrive); Wave Lab 5 (fades, resample, Apogee uv22hr dither); CDWave (tracks)

Recorded by Craig Taraszki (ctaraszki@hotmail.com)

Disc #1
1. No Regret>
2. Cut Me Some Slack
3. What The Funk
4. Sleeping Beauty>
5. Phatty Boom Batty
6. Good Times Bad Times>
7. Attraction To The Shade Ditty>
8. Cosmic Spaceway Rhyme

Disc #2
1. May Fly Disarray
2. Fairy
3. Puppetry
4. Grand Scheme Of Things
5. E: Uncle Freddy>
6. Inner Glimpse>
7. In The Flesh

Stephengencs · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2005, 08:53:01 am »

I thought I was at this show, but after further review, I think it was my evil twin Stefano...

davepeck · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2005, 08:53:38 am »

thanks Craig! :thumbsup:

mvallo · « **Reply #3 on:** June 23, 2005, 10:08:19 am »

Nice, the Breakfast\'s first 24/96 recording!!!
thanks

Mark · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2005, 10:19:37 am »

Quote from: mvallo

Nice, the Breakfast\'s first 24/96 recording!!!
thanks

Explain

mvallo · « **Reply #5 on:** June 23, 2005, 02:51:56 pm »

Quote from: Mark

Quote from: mvallo
Nice, the Breakfast\'s first 24/96 recording!!!
thanks
Explain

24 bit recordings have the ability to capture a wider dynamic range(volume) than 16 bit recordings

96khz recordings are more accurate and can capture higher frequencies than 44.1khz recordings.

Todd · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2005, 02:53:24 pm »

What is required to listen to/ burn 24-bit?

Spacey · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2005, 03:43:27 pm »

I believe 24 is for DVD quality sound or something along those lines. Not 100% and I could be 100% wrong.

It\'s good to see some new tapers. It feels as if we have a strong taping brigade. Thanks to all those who have this hobby. It is also good to see these type of recordings coming out.

Thanks again.

CraigT · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2005, 04:03:51 pm »

Quote from: Todd

What is required to listen to/ burn 24-bit?

1. Listen from your computer with a 24bit capable soundcard.
2. Burn DVD-Audio using Disc Welder Bronze (Steel or Chrome), Wave Lab 5, etc. You\'ll need a DVD-A capable player. Supports any sample rate.
3. Burn DVD-Video using http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com, or similar. Playback on any DVD player. DVD-Video only supports 24/48 and 24/96 in 2-channel stereo.

Stephengencs · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2005, 04:05:52 pm »

Quote from: CraigT

Quote from: Todd
What is required to listen to/ burn 24-bit?

1. Listen from your computer with a 24bit capable soundcard.
2. Burn DVD-Audio using Disc Welder Bronze (Steel or Chrome), Wave Lab 5, etc. You\'ll need a DVD-A capable player. Supports any sample rate.
3. Burn DVD-Video using http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com, or similar. Playback on any DVD player. DVD-Video only supports 24/48 and 24/96 in 2-channel stereo.

all I\'m getting is clicking and buzzing noises....
I guess I will just stick with what I know....

Mark · « **Reply #10 on:** June 23, 2005, 04:37:57 pm »

Quote from: mvallo

Quote from: Mark
Quote from: mvallo
Nice, the Breakfast\'s first 24/96 recording!!!
thanks
Explain

24 bit recordings have the ability to capture a wider dynamic range(volume) than 16 bit recordings

96khz recordings are more accurate and can capture higher frequencies than 44.1khz recordings.

Thanks for the enlightenment. Didn\'t kindm do some 24 bit a while back?

mvallo · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2005, 06:39:21 pm »

A lot of people are now recording in 24bit / 44.1, 48, 96, 192khz.

Here are several things to consider:

Humans can hear frequencies up to about 21khz.
Frequency is equal to one-half the sampling rate.
So, cd quality is 44100hz/2 = 22050hz (highest frequency) and is already higher than tha range of human hearing.
and dvd quality is 96000hz/2=48000hz, more than double the highest frequency humans can hear.
From this perspective, sample rates above 44100 seem overkill.

From another perspective higher sample rates (more pionts) means greater accuracy when compared to the original analog wave.

16bit vs 24bit

I find it hard to hear the difference with most live audio applications. For example, it\'s like listening to a live breakfast show and when the band stops playing, everyone in the room is quiet, except one person in the corner of the room whispers to another person. In theory, if we turn up the stereo loud enough we should be able to understane what that person said. With the 24bit recording we should hear them and the 16 bit we would just hear nothing or noise/hiss. How important is it to hear this person? Depends what they said!! :lol:

SlimPickens · « **Reply #12 on:** June 23, 2005, 07:12:09 pm »

holy moley... i see the words, but it might as well have been greek.

All I know: ChrisF\'s recordings sound goooooooooood, whether he\'s recording 24bit or through a huge paper cone attached to a needle diggin\' into a wax disc... doesn\'t matter much to me, just as long as he keeps doing what he\'s doing.

but hey, that\'s why it doesn\'t say taper geek or taper fanatic or digidude under my name.

kindm's · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2005, 07:57:31 pm »

Almost all of the recordings I have of the Breakfast were done 24Bit/48Khz. I just never seeded the 24Bit stuff. I have almost all of my originals (dont ask) but If people want the 24Bit stuff I can seed that as well. I almost never listen to 16Bit anymore unless im in the car or something. When I convert them it is so I can seed them and give to friends who cant playback 24Bit stuff.

The difference is prety dramatic as far as soundstage and imagaing is concerned. Cymbals dissapate natually. It is a very nice experience if you can step up to the 24Bit playback

Matt I just read what you wrote and I cannot disagree more. While a sweet 16Bit recording sounds sweet There is just more info and natural analog sound that the 24bit stuff has. I could playback the 16 and 24 bit masters i have over my system and you would be able to hear it clear as day. It isnt crowd noise it is the way the sounds dissapate and subtle sounds are captured accurately in 3 dimensions. the stage is HUGE.

mvallo · « **Reply #14 on:** June 23, 2005, 09:19:08 pm »

Quote from: kindm\'s

Matt I just read what you wrote and I cannot disagree more. While a sweet 16Bit recording sounds sweet There is just more info and natural analog sound that the 24bit stuff has. I could playback the 16 and 24 bit masters i have over my system and you would be able to hear it clear as day. It isnt crowd noise it is the way the sounds dissapate and subtle sounds are captured accurately in 3 dimensions. the stage is HUGE.

we can do an experiment:

take an original 24 bit recording:
sample A: original
sample B: dither to 16 bit and then back to 24 (kicking out the lower 8 bits)
Do a poll and vote on which recording the original 24 bit

take a 48 or 96k original recording:
sample A: orginal
sample B: resample down to 44.1 then back to 48 or 96k
Do a poll and vote on which recording is the original 48 or 96k

take a 24bit/96k recording:
sample A: original
Sample B: resample and Dither to 16/44.1 and them back to 24/96k
Do a poll and vote on which recording is original 24bit 48 or 96k.

Would you agree this is a fair test? I\'m betting most people will be guessing on the correct answer.

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