Author Topic: [torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA  (Read 5607 times)

CraigT

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12
    • http://
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« on: June 23, 2005, 08:50:42 am »
16bit/44.1k (CD quality)
24bit/96k (DVD quality)

The Breakfast
May 14, 2005
North-by-Northwest - Philadelphia, PA

Source: Studio Projects ***2 (cards x/y 90*, FOB)> Lunatec V3 (24bit/96k)> PDAudio-CF> iPaq 3835 (Live2496, Addonics Pocket ExDrive); Wave Lab 5 (fades, resample, Apogee uv22hr dither); CDWave (tracks)

Recorded by Craig Taraszki (ctaraszki@hotmail.com)

Disc #1
1. No Regret>
2. Cut Me Some Slack
3. What The Funk
4. Sleeping Beauty>
5. Phatty Boom Batty
6. Good Times Bad Times>
7. Attraction To The Shade Ditty>
8. Cosmic Spaceway Rhyme

Disc #2
1. May Fly Disarray
2. Fairy
3. Puppetry
4. Grand Scheme Of Things
5. E: Uncle Freddy>
6. Inner Glimpse>
7. In The Flesh

Stephengencs

  • Road Runner Baby
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8849
    • http://
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2005, 08:53:01 am »
I thought I was at this show, but after further review, I think it was my evil twin Stefano...
I stepped into a nightmare. Noticed you were right there. - Doozer
After climbing a great hill, one only finds that there are many more hills to climb. -Mandela
Your Mom\'s a whore. - Broseph

davepeck

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14106
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2005, 08:53:38 am »
thanks Craig! :thumbsup:

mvallo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 898
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2005, 10:08:19 am »
Nice, the Breakfast\'s first 24/96 recording!!!
thanks

Mark

  • Ser PB Fan
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3063
    • http://
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2005, 10:19:37 am »
Quote from: mvallo
Nice, the Breakfast\'s first 24/96 recording!!!
thanks
Explain
"Anyone who knows a god damn thing about this band and has been there as long as some of us have, know god damn well that this show was something special." Ren re: Toads 8/23/07

mvallo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 898
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2005, 02:51:56 pm »
Quote from: Mark
Quote from: mvallo
Nice, the Breakfast\'s first 24/96 recording!!!
thanks
Explain



24 bit recordings have the ability to capture a wider dynamic range(volume) than 16 bit recordings

96khz recordings are more accurate and can capture higher frequencies than 44.1khz recordings.

Todd

  • Available to shoot porn
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9291
    • http://TKAPhotos.com
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2005, 02:53:24 pm »
What is required to listen to/ burn 24-bit?
Light travels faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright...until you hear them speak.

Spacey

  • w0okadactyl fo\' life
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14812
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2005, 03:43:27 pm »
I believe 24 is for DVD quality sound or something along those lines. Not 100% and I could be 100% wrong.

It\'s good to see some new tapers. It feels as if we have a strong taping brigade. Thanks to all those who have this hobby. It is also good to see these type of recordings coming out.

Thanks again.
Love many, trust few and don\'t be late.

CraigT

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 12
    • http://
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2005, 04:03:51 pm »
Quote from: Todd
What is required to listen to/ burn 24-bit?


1. Listen from your computer with a 24bit capable soundcard.
2. Burn DVD-Audio using Disc Welder Bronze (Steel or Chrome), Wave Lab 5, etc.  You\'ll need a DVD-A capable player.  Supports any sample rate.
3. Burn DVD-Video using http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com, or similar.  Playback on any DVD player.  DVD-Video only supports 24/48 and 24/96 in 2-channel stereo.

Stephengencs

  • Road Runner Baby
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8849
    • http://
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2005, 04:05:52 pm »
Quote from: CraigT
Quote from: Todd
What is required to listen to/ burn 24-bit?


1. Listen from your computer with a 24bit capable soundcard.
2. Burn DVD-Audio using Disc Welder Bronze (Steel or Chrome), Wave Lab 5, etc.  You\'ll need a DVD-A capable player.  Supports any sample rate.
3. Burn DVD-Video using http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com, or similar.  Playback on any DVD player.  DVD-Video only supports 24/48 and 24/96 in 2-channel stereo.


all I\'m getting is clicking and buzzing noises....
I guess I will just stick with what I know....
I stepped into a nightmare. Noticed you were right there. - Doozer
After climbing a great hill, one only finds that there are many more hills to climb. -Mandela
Your Mom\'s a whore. - Broseph

Mark

  • Ser PB Fan
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3063
    • http://
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2005, 04:37:57 pm »
Quote from: mvallo
Quote from: Mark
Quote from: mvallo
Nice, the Breakfast\'s first 24/96 recording!!!
thanks
Explain



24 bit recordings have the ability to capture a wider dynamic range(volume) than 16 bit recordings

96khz recordings are more accurate and can capture higher frequencies than 44.1khz recordings.
Thanks for the enlightenment. Didn\'t kindm do some 24 bit a while back?
"Anyone who knows a god damn thing about this band and has been there as long as some of us have, know god damn well that this show was something special." Ren re: Toads 8/23/07

mvallo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 898
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2005, 06:39:21 pm »
A lot of people are now recording in 24bit / 44.1, 48, 96, 192khz.

Here are several things to consider:

Humans can hear frequencies up to about 21khz.
Frequency is equal to one-half the sampling rate.
So, cd quality is 44100hz/2 = 22050hz (highest frequency) and is already higher than tha range of human hearing.
and dvd quality is 96000hz/2=48000hz, more than double the highest frequency humans can hear.
From this perspective, sample rates above 44100 seem overkill.

From another perspective higher sample rates (more pionts) means greater accuracy when compared to the original analog wave.


16bit vs 24bit

I find it hard to hear the difference with most live audio applications.  For example, it\'s like listening to a live breakfast show and when the band stops playing, everyone in the room is quiet, except one person in the corner of the room whispers to another person.  In theory, if we turn up the stereo loud enough we should be able to understane what that person said.  With the 24bit recording we should hear them and the 16 bit we would just hear nothing or noise/hiss.  How important is it to hear this person?  Depends what they said!!  :lol:

SlimPickens

  • just the tip
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4138
    • http://
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2005, 07:12:09 pm »
holy moley... i see the words, but it might as well have been greek.

All I know:  ChrisF\'s recordings sound goooooooooood, whether he\'s recording 24bit or through a huge paper cone attached to a needle diggin\' into a wax disc... doesn\'t matter much to me, just as long as he keeps doing what he\'s doing.

but hey, that\'s why it doesn\'t say taper geek or taper fanatic or digidude under my name.

kindm's

  • Who Runs Barter Town...
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3119
    • blueberrydreams
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2005, 07:57:31 pm »
Almost all of the recordings I have of the Breakfast were done 24Bit/48Khz. I just never seeded the 24Bit stuff. I have almost all of my originals (dont ask) but If people want the 24Bit stuff I can seed that as well. I almost never listen to 16Bit anymore unless im in the car or something. When I convert them it is so I can seed them and give to friends who cant playback 24Bit stuff.

The difference is prety dramatic as far as soundstage and imagaing is concerned. Cymbals dissapate natually. It is a very nice experience if you can step up to the 24Bit playback


Matt I just read what you wrote and I cannot disagree more. While a sweet 16Bit recording sounds sweet There is just more info and natural analog sound that the 24bit stuff has. I could playback the 16 and 24 bit masters i have over my system and you would be able to hear it clear as day. It isnt crowd noise it is the way the sounds dissapate and subtle sounds are captured accurately in 3 dimensions. the stage is HUGE.
"You can bet everything will come to an end. It's going to be ugly and it's going to be a mess, and it's going to be something that somebody did in the name of God...."

    Frank Zappa, Artist as Genetic Design Flaw,
    Ecolibrium Interviews, Vol #19

mvallo

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 898
[torrent] Breakfast 5/14/05 Philadelphia, PA
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2005, 09:19:08 pm »
Quote from: kindm\'s

Matt I just read what you wrote and I cannot disagree more. While a sweet 16Bit recording sounds sweet There is just more info and natural analog sound that the 24bit stuff has. I could playback the 16 and 24 bit masters i have over my system and you would be able to hear it clear as day. It isnt crowd noise it is the way the sounds dissapate and subtle sounds are captured accurately in 3 dimensions. the stage is HUGE.


we can do an experiment:

take an original 24 bit recording:
sample A: original
sample B: dither to 16 bit and then back to 24 (kicking out the lower 8 bits)
Do a poll and vote on which recording the original 24 bit

take a 48 or 96k original recording:
sample A: orginal
sample B: resample down to 44.1 then back to 48 or 96k
Do a poll and vote on which recording is the original 48 or 96k


take a 24bit/96k recording:
sample A: original
Sample B: resample and Dither to 16/44.1 and them back to 24/96k
Do a poll and vote on which recording is original 24bit 48 or 96k.

Would you agree this is a fair test? I\'m betting most people will be guessing on the correct answer.