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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2006, 04:35:33 pm »
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why enable them to keep slacking?
You are right! It is time for some TOUGH LOVE!
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2006, 05:09:48 pm »
blah blah blah selling out selling out blah blah blah


there are a lot of sellouts out there.  however, most bands that just do what they need to do in order to make a living are unfairly labeled as sellouts far too often.  in the music business the fan is the client.  what you do as an artist is for them.  end of story.  in a perfect world, an artist would be able to do whatever makes them feel good 24/7 and everyone would love and appreciate it.  sadly this is not reality.  there needs to be a compromise.  the fan is the reason an artist gets to enjoy any success.  the artist must give back to the fan in order to keep this relationship symbiotic.  sometimes that means making compromises and striking a balance, but that is NOT the same as selling out.
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2006, 06:19:12 pm »
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You are right! It is time for some TOUGH LOVE!


Oh so NOW it\'s time for toughlove. ;)
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2006, 07:22:14 pm »
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I really think the management should be on it, this is part of what they are paid for,


This is the thing people don\'t get...they have NO paid management!!


nor should people have to \'get\' it, or understand it, or sympathize with it. fuck that. the fucking \'no (or shitty) management\'/\'transition period\' excuse has been made/used for this band ad nauseam. there\'s no promo because the band has no management. there\'s no one at the shows because the band has no management. no one knows about moxie epoxy because the band has no management. shows are booked/announced less than a month in advance because the band has no management. there are SEVEN shows on the schedule because the band has no management.

the fact of the matter is, it\'s an unacceptable excuse.

the band\'s most recent manager was recently fired because nothing was getting done. super. but without a backup plan, you can\'t just say, "we can do \'nothing\' just as well". it shouldn\'t be up to mark to find local papers to advertise the band\'s upcoming shows in. it shouldn\'t be up to wildcoyote to press toad\'s management for tickets/promo. it shouldn\'t be up to aruny to make sure that there\'s fliers available in a packed bar that the band\'s guitarist is playing at for a breakfast show a few nights later within walking distance of the place. these are the things that the band needs to be proactive about. then again, after 8 years, they probably know this.

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i have my hopes high for the new year.....


a new year which, by the way, is 11 days away and there are currently 3 shows scheduled during..

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as long as someone takes the reins as far as promo and PR goes there shouldn\'t be any reason why this next year can\'t be a super productive year....


pretty sure this is now the 3rd year in a row with a "we\'ll get \'em next year!"... well shit, we gotta be right one of these times, right??

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I would consider doing it if no one else will.

why enable them to keep slacking?

You are right! It is time for some TOUGH LOVE!


agreed. see above. this should be the band\'s job in their \'transition period\'.


food for thought for those of you who are employed: how long would you be able to hold onto your current job for, if someone else was doing all the leg work for you??

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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2006, 07:35:50 pm »
soooooo staying out of this thread.  :D
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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2006, 07:46:47 pm »
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this should be the band\'s job in their \'transition period\'.



Yeah, no gigs for a few weeks should have enabled them to go all out on the Toad\'s promo.
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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2006, 07:44:40 am »
i think they should change back to psychedelic breakfast, bring back Jordan and hire Spin Ray and Pat the Head Dancer to drive them around the country in the bus!!

keep talking about this stuff. There is truth in every post I have read so far.

As far as this whole topic goes..

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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2006, 10:47:56 am »
this thread just reminds me

SOMEONE GET ME PROMO SHIT TO HAND OUT AT TREY IN BOSTON ON THE 28TH

thanks :)

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« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2006, 11:20:20 am »
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this thread just reminds me

SOMEONE GET ME PROMO SHIT TO HAND OUT AT TREY IN BOSTON ON THE 28TH

thanks :)




falling on deaf ears my friend


i should be there, i\'ll have a bunch printed. i\'m gonna try to burn a bunch of cd\'s but i have to make a new and improved promo disk.
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« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2006, 04:13:09 pm »
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i think they should change back to psychedelic breakfast, bring back Jordan



I like those ideas!
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