Author Topic: Anyone else love Franti? (Read 2802 times)

Gordo · « **Reply #15 on:** September 21, 2005, 02:53:44 am »

Quote from: jocelyn

Liked the cd when I first heard it. Liked them live the first time I heard them. Currently can\'t stand them.

I really think if you have seen one show you have seen them all.

Cannot stand the political ranting... I don\'t care about his (very ignorant sounding) opinions. I pay to hear live music, not be preached to. I can either go to church or listen to Hannity for that. It\'s redundant, insulting, and very irritating!

ohhh snap!

Klout · « **Reply #16 on:** September 21, 2005, 01:06:00 pm »

joc! I am shocked!

I don\'t see the message as "political ranting" or preaching. He speaks of a larger world view based around love and compassion, NOT money and greed and industrial materialism. He taps into a divine source of transformation, evolution, higher consciousness every show. Republicans and democrats are part of the picture, but it goes so far beyond "**** Bush".

Mamalakabubadaya · « **Reply #17 on:** September 21, 2005, 01:12:07 pm »

Quote from: jocelyn

Cannot stand the political ranting... I don\'t care about his (very ignorant sounding) opinions. I pay to hear live music, not be preached to. I can either go to church or listen to Hannity for that. It\'s redundant, insulting, and very irritating!

i am totally with ya..
people (well, me) go to shows to have fun and see a good performance. i resent it when musicians/artists start talking about any of that stuff. i get so sick of hearing people going off at shows about who to vote for, what to do, who to be against, etc...and i am not picking sides because the last election was a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich for me, but i am so sick of all the anti-bush ****.

davepeck · « **Reply #18 on:** September 21, 2005, 01:16:43 pm »

Quote from: Mamalakabubadaya

Quote from: jocelyn
Cannot stand the political ranting... I don\'t care about his (very ignorant sounding) opinions. I pay to hear live music, not be preached to. I can either go to church or listen to Hannity for that. It\'s redundant, insulting, and very irritating!
i am totally with ya..
people (well, me) go to shows to have fun and see a good performance. i resent it when musicians/artists start talking about any of that stuff. i get so sick of hearing people going off at shows about who to vote for, what to do, who to be against, etc...and i am not picking sides because the last election was a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich for me, but i am so sick of all the anti-bush ****.

there\'s that, but then there\'s the side that says the person with the microphone can say/do whatever they want. i\'m not saying either side is right or wrong, but it all comes down to choices..

- performer has a choice to voice opinion on stage or not.

- audience member has a choice whether to take a **** break or sit and listen, and even after listening, they still make the ultimate choice in regard to their own opinion anyways, so..

skalnbyc · « **Reply #19 on:** September 21, 2005, 03:06:10 pm »

Quote from: Mamalakabubadaya

Quote from: jocelyn
Cannot stand the political ranting... I don\'t care about his (very ignorant sounding) opinions. I pay to hear live music, not be preached to. I can either go to church or listen to Hannity for that. It\'s redundant, insulting, and very irritating!
i am totally with ya..
people (well, me) go to shows to have fun and see a good performance. i resent it when musicians/artists start talking about any of that stuff. i get so sick of hearing people going off at shows about who to vote for, what to do, who to be against, etc...and i am not picking sides because the last election was a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich for me, but i am so sick of all the anti-bush ****.

I wouldn\'t mind hearing the political commentary if it wasn\'t so cliche and actually provided a unique perspective, though most of it tends to come in the form on general statements like "Bush is racist" etc. It comes down to them providing a sentence without finishing the paragraph.

I\'m also not a fan of the Hollywood crowd of self-proclaimed foreign policy experts and spokespeople, especially considering that most are high school/college dropouts with very little insight and no values (given the frequent divorces and rehab among the bunch).

Quote from: davepeck

- performer has a choice to voice opinion on stage or not.

Another reason why I respect the band. They tend to provide music first-and-foremost without dividing the fanbase with political views.

jocelyn · « **Reply #20 on:** September 21, 2005, 10:09:45 pm »

I know they have that choice Dave, and the choice I make is not to see bands who make the choice to run their mouths about politics.

Jus, the last time I saw him it was not a "world view" that dominated his diatribe but a direct attack on the current administration.

And I don\'t really want him telling me what is divine anyhow.

davepeck · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2005, 10:17:25 pm »

ok here\'s one.. and again, i\'m not really stating opinions here, but just for argument\'s sake (and this kind of touches on what al said as well):

what about when tim goes on weed rants, which he does every once in a while - whether in a PBB intro, FFT, or just plain banter.. \'legalize weed. weed is good. smoke em if you got em. etc.\'

sure, it may not be political, but he\'s stating his opinion about something on stage, which members of the audience may or may not agree with, or may or may not want to hear, just as the other artists are.. is that different?

Klout · « **Reply #22 on:** September 21, 2005, 10:21:59 pm »

music would be pretty boring IMO if it had no meaning behind it whatsoever

Thats what makes music exciting...even if it is just an instrumental...there is still feelings and emotion and ideology behind the music

Marcial · « **Reply #23 on:** September 21, 2005, 10:42:03 pm »

Quote from: davepeck

ok here\'s one.. and again, i\'m not really stating opinions here, but just for argument\'s sake (and this kind of touches on what al said as well):

what about when tim goes on weed rants, which he does every once in a while - whether in a PBB intro, FFT, or just plain banter.. \'legalize weed. weed is good. smoke em if you got em. etc.\'

sure, it may not be political, but he\'s stating his opinion about something on stage, which members of the audience may or may not agree with, or may or may not want to hear, just as the other artists are.. is that different?

"I want to talk about something very serious here... people take it very seriously... so seriously, they want to make it illegal..."

TP - PBB intro - The Booth - Spring 2004

jocelyn · « **Reply #24 on:** September 21, 2005, 10:44:00 pm »

Quote from: davepeck

ok here\'s one.. and again, i\'m not really stating opinions here, but just for argument\'s sake (and this kind of touches on what al said as well):

what about when tim goes on weed rants, which he does every once in a while - whether in a PBB intro, FFT, or just plain banter.. \'legalize weed. weed is good. smoke em if you got em. etc.\'

sure, it may not be political, but he\'s stating his opinion about something on stage, which members of the audience may or may not agree with, or may or may not want to hear, just as the other artists are.. is that different?

Yes it is different.

The key difference being your three words "ONCE IN A WHILE." I wouldn\'t mind political opinions being stated if it was infrequently done.

Tim doesn\'t tend to harp on one thing repeatedly throughout a show, or throughout the course of all of his shows.

Of course artists can state their opinion. Art is self-expression after all. I just don\'t want to feel like someone is shoving said opinion down my throat.

Justin I am not calling for music without meaning, and actually, most of what I am referring to regarding Franti is not the lyrics of his songs but what he says BETWEEN the songs.

Klout · « **Reply #25 on:** September 21, 2005, 10:58:57 pm »

i understand. It ussually annoys me too but for some reason it doesn\'t bother me at franti shows. At all good this summer it seemed like every single band that played said somethign anti bush and it was so lame redundant.

Gordo · « **Reply #26 on:** September 22, 2005, 01:37:36 am »

hey jocelyn, stop trying to shove your opinion about franti down our throats ****!