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General Discussions => Tribal Funk Affliction => Topic started by: Yoda on June 13, 2007, 03:17:53 pm
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My first concert was when I was around 10-11 years old, but I don\'t have the stub from that one. Not sure if I even have the stubs from 1981.
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so Todd do u have concert ticket stubs older than your current significant other ? :)
rotflrotfl It\'s close, but I think she may be a bit older! :lol:
:lol: If Todd\'s first show was New Haven Coliseum, May 11, 1981 and I was born Oct 21, 1979, I was 1 yr., 7 mos. when Todd was seeing the Dead for the first time... he must\'ve been around 14 yrs. old?!
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TKA is the guy who you think looks like John Sylvia.
wait.who?
John Sylvia was my neighbor growing up. He\'s only 27, though Citroen thought you looked like him.
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TKA is the guy who you think looks like John Sylvia.
wait.who?
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I think it is good to expose kids to a wide range of experiences. My parents have a wild bunch of friends (think TKA or worse + 20 years) and I was always around them at a young age. I didn\'t even realize how much those people drank till I was much older anyway.
Besides, my parents would always provide social commentary when we saw stupid people.
I think I turned out ok. Citroen on the other hand....:idunno:
What do you mean TKA? Are you talking about the music group?
TKA is the guy who you think looks like John Sylvia.
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TKA = Todd Kennedy Anderson or Todd on .info
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I think it is good to expose kids to a wide range of experiences. My parents have a wild bunch of friends (think TKA or worse + 20 years) and I was always around them at a young age. I didn\'t even realize how much those people drank till I was much older anyway.
Besides, my parents would always provide social commentary when we saw stupid people.
I think I turned out ok. Citroen on the other hand....:idunno:
What do you mean TKA? Are you talking about the music group? You definitely got that right about providing social commentary. All that small town gossip. :pissed:The only reason you lead people to believe that you turned out OK is because you :kissass:
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We are being serious as a heart attack.....which spacey and i almost had chasing that little fucker down....
he was quick, indeed, but I can move when I need to, in this case, I did. ****, now that I think about it, is he still in Derick\'s trunk?
no.....we dumped him off a bridge with some cinderblocks tied to his legs so we could fit his mother in there......now, what Derick did with his cougar mom is anyone\'s guess.....
makes sense. Derick is "moving", next time there will be a "house", whatever happened, happened.
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We are being serious as a heart attack.....which spacey and i almost had chasing that little fucker down....
he was quick, indeed, but I can move when I need to, in this case, I did. ****, now that I think about it, is he still in Derick\'s trunk?
no.....we dumped him off a bridge with some cinderblocks tied to his legs so we could fit his mother in there......now, what Derick did with his cougar mom is anyone\'s guess.....
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We are being serious as a heart attack.....which spacey and i almost had chasing that little fucker down....
he was quick, indeed, but I can move when I need to, in this case, I did. ****, now that I think about it, is he still in Derick\'s trunk?
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We are being serious as a heart attack.....which spacey and i almost had chasing that little fucker down....
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Have we all started early toaday or what?lol
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and in that case we also forced him to drink a half of cup of warm beer......it was great.
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I go out of my way to blow smoke (pot and cigarette) into little kids faces at shows......
I chased one down when I saw one with a balloon.
lol HA lol
"get over here ya little bastard and give me that balloon!"
then naturally, when he was caught, smoke was blown into his face by stephengencs for all those keeping score at home.
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I go out of my way to blow smoke (pot and cigarette) into little kids faces at shows......
I chased one down when I saw one with a balloon.
lol HA lol
"get over here ya little bastard and give me that balloon!"
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I go out of my way to blow smoke (pot and cigarette) into little kids faces at shows......
I chased one down when I saw one with a balloon.
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Well I have to behave myself when hes with me of course so really, he has more fun than me!
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I go out of my way to blow smoke (pot and cigarette) into little kids faces at shows......
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Is it cool to drink and smoke in front of inbred children?
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Personally I love to take my little guy to shows!He loves it I will never forget the look on his face taking it all in!:)He brings some up out of the blue now and then and Im hoping hes got some good memmories as I do being raised with music as basically a centerpiece of life.
I have to face the fact that when hes grown he wont want to hang with his mom but until then I want him to be a part of every little bit of mine(hes only 3 and he got to meet Donovan and John Sebastian and one day I think hell think thats cool) People have to do whatever feels right to them.Live and let live :disco: be safe be happy
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Sorry but drinking and driving happens all the time. I dont agree with it but to blame the sporting event and not the perp is just nanny state knee jerk reactions. :thumbsup:
Hear, hear!
I was at the Police show the other day. Since I was driving home, I only had a couple beers the whole 4 hours I was there.
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Kiana\'s 1st breakfast show was 8/4/02. She was 16 days old :)
That said ... while some people love it and can party with their kids, I find that I enjoy shows less, obviously have to behave *better*, and at this point my kids don\'t have much fun at shows or fests.
for people that do a lot of shows and fests with their kids, they often get really into it and have a great time. i envy that a little, to be able to share that with your kids i think is fantastic. plus the kids form their own little circles of friends with other festie kids and they all for the most part seem to enjoy it.
ive seen some instances where i\'ve said *WOW* ... none of which i will bring up on here, at fests involving things people are doing while responsible for children, but those have not been the norm with people i know who do fests and shows with their little ones.
not sure how the setlist question turned into *this old* debate though ;)
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Fuckin nOOb!!
Why yes, yes I am!
so Todd do u have concert ticket stubs older than your current significant other ? :)
:lol:
good laughs.
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so Todd do u have concert ticket stubs older than your current significant other ? :)
rotflrotfl It\'s close, but I think she may be a bit older! :lol:
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Fuckin nOOb!!
Why yes, yes I am!
so Todd do u have concert ticket stubs older than your current significant other ? :)
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Fuckin nOOb!!
Why yes, yes I am!
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so we went from speaking about the Dead to speaking about unborn children?
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Wait, Gencs is pregnant...now I get the ponzone!!!
the ponzone has been skillfully crafted over the past 13 years or so..........i am not currently with child....nor alien.....nor moonbrah.....etc.
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Wait, Gencs is pregnant...now I get the ponzone!!!
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Fuckin nOOb!!
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Fair enough broseph.......
I for one am looking forward to molding my little gencs into the headiest lil brah that ever brosephed......
what if it\'s a Brosephina, moonbrah
then she will be the headiest brosephina to never leave the house until she is 30.
:lol:
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Fair enough broseph.......
I for one am looking forward to molding my little gencs into the headiest lil brah that ever brosephed......
what if it\'s a Brosephina, moonbrah
then she will be the headiest brosephina to never leave the house until she is 30.
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Fair enough broseph.......
I for one am looking forward to molding my little gencs into the headiest lil brah that ever brosephed......
what if it\'s a Brosephina, moonbrah
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Fair enough broseph.......
I for one am looking forward to molding my little gencs into the headiest lil brah that ever brosephed......
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I may not have all the experiences that you do; going to shows and festivals are not my main drive in life. But I do speak from experience when I talk about the alcohol/drug and other abuses at that I have seen at shows. I\'ve seen it at all types of events, concerts, sporting events and other events, I just don\'t agree with it when it\'s 13 year old kids or parent\'s doing it in front of their kids or not moving to another area when they see that type of behavior.
Steve - I agree with you 100% and I\'m not telling anyone how to raise their kids, I\'m just expressing what type of behavior that I will not be exposing my children to until I feel they are ready. Enough said...
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The bottom line is that NO MATTER what kind of environment you raise your child in, instilling many or no values, there is still a 50/50 chance that your kid is gonna be a Class A Fuckup.......Just do your best and let other people raise their kids how they want to....its just life, nothing too complicated.
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I didn\'t know that there were states in the US where marijuana is legal (besides medical majiuana). And I\'m not saying that it\'s okay to excessively drink in front of your kids - I don\'t agree with that either, but if you\'re lighting up in front of your kids, then you\'re essentially telling them that it\'s okay to break the law because it feels good. And I personally don\'t think that booze should be sold at sporting events - especially after a drunk driver plowed into a car and left Antonia Verni a quadriplegic after vendors at Giants Stadium decided not to stop selling David Lanzaro beer even though he was highly intoxicated.
This all started because the topic came up about bringing kids to Dead shows. I personally would not bring them to any Dead or Phish shows where people are not only abusing pot, but acid/mushrooms/coke/horse or any other drug and you can\'t deny that wasn\'t or isn\'t going on. That was the point I was trying to make.
You raise your kids the way you want and I\'ll raise mine the way my wife and I want. When my kids are old enough to make those type of decisions, they will. For me, it just shouldn\'t be at that young of an age...
Supporting the idea that alcohol shouldn\'t be sold at sporting events does kind of make you a holier than thou type. Sorry but drinking and driving happens all the time. I dont agree with it but to blame the sporting event and not the perp is just nanny state knee jerk reactions. Same goes for the facility. People do dumb **** all the time everywhere. Not just a Phish Shows and Dead shows.And isn\'t it interesting that they will set up "Safety Checkpoints" on the way in to a festival, but you don\'t see them outside of football games etc etc I wonder why that is, hmmm.
As a matter of fact the Wormtown events are the most kid friendly fests around. There are tons of kids at those shows. They have kid activities, they have musicians play just for the kids, arts and crafts, singalongs, parades etc etc. Gabrielle (she runs the festivals with her husband Mark and they have 4 kids of their own maybe more) does a ton of work to make the kids have fun and to have activities that the kids can enjoy with their parents (it not a dump them off and babysit our kid place) She also runs a very similar setup at the Gathering of the Vibes festivals as well. They have all sorts of cool stuff for the kids to do. The real life puppets etc etc. It isn\'t all people getting F-d up. Sure their are disrespectful people sometimes but thats life.
You should see all the smiles on the kids faces it is a day outside meeting new kids, socializing, dancing and they have family camping areas to help as well.
I totally get your idea of not exposing your kids to bad habits but I think your ideas about what goes on is a little misinformed. But they are your kids so good luck and may they be healthy and happy.
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I didn\'t know that there were states in the US where marijuana is legal (besides medical majiuana). And I\'m not saying that it\'s okay to excessively drink in front of your kids - I don\'t agree with that either, but if you\'re lighting up in front of your kids, then you\'re essentially telling them that it\'s okay to break the law because it feels good. And I personally don\'t think that booze should be sold at sporting events - especially after a drunk driver plowed into a car and left Antonia Verni a quadriplegic after vendors at Giants Stadium decided not to stop selling David Lanzaro beer even though he was highly intoxicated.
This all started because the topic came up about bringing kids to Dead shows. I personally would not bring them to any Dead or Phish shows where people are not only abusing pot, but acid/mushrooms/coke/horse or any other drug and you can\'t deny that wasn\'t or isn\'t going on. That was the point I was trying to make.
You raise your kids the way you want and I\'ll raise mine the way my wife and I want. When my kids are old enough to make those type of decisions, they will. For me, it just shouldn\'t be at that young of an age...
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Besides, my parents would always provide social commentary when we saw stupid people.
I think I turned out ok.
anyone want to take this one? anyone? rotfl
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Tipping a few back is fine. But toking up in front of your kid is wrong, it sets a bad example for the kid. We\'ve all had our wild times, but that\'s no reason we should be exposing them to drugs - that will unfortunately happen soon enough when they get into high school and college. And if you choose to expose them to that at a young age, then shame on you. I am not holier than thou (trust me), but there are things that I did that I don\'t want my children to do and will not take any part of.
But for you example of taking kids to football and hockey games, I\'m fine with that. No one says that you have to tail gate with your kids in the lot for hours before the game. And the only hockey fans that I\'ve seen who constantly get drunk at games are Ranger fans.
All I\'m saying is that it\'s hard enough for kids these days and eventually they\'re going to have to make their own decisions, but that doesn\'t mean that you should be putting them in compromising situations. We all have our own set of moral standards to deal with - it\'s obvious that we\'re on different ends of that spectrum, so let\'s just agree to disagree.
Why is alcohol consumption OK and Marijuana not? Because one is legal in more states than another? How is one a worse than the other? They are both drugs that alter your state of mind. One more radically than the other and that\'s the one that\'s legal.
A child is going to see more offensive behavior from a group of people intoxicated on alcohol than from those on Marijuana. Esp. when those same drugs are abused. Add in an event which stirs strong passions such as sporting events and only trouble comes of it so I find your logic there puzzling.
Yes it is hard enough for kids these days :rolleyes: but being a parent means helping them through it and not just hiding bad things from them.
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The first \'72 show is the only one with noted "malfunctions" throughout. I would go withy that one.
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Tipping a few back is fine. But toking up in front of your kid is wrong, it sets a bad example for the kid. We\'ve all had our wild times, but that\'s no reason we should be exposing them to drugs - that will unfortunately happen soon enough when they get into high school and college. And if you choose to expose them to that at a young age, then shame on you. I am not holier than thou (trust me), but there are things that I did that I don\'t want my children to do and will not take any part of.
But for you example of taking kids to football and hockey games, I\'m fine with that. No one says that you have to tail gate with your kids in the lot for hours before the game. And the only hockey fans that I\'ve seen who constantly get drunk at games are Ranger fans.
All I\'m saying is that it\'s hard enough for kids these days and eventually they\'re going to have to make their own decisions, but that doesn\'t mean that you should be putting them in compromising situations. We all have our own set of moral standards to deal with - it\'s obvious that we\'re on different ends of that spectrum, so let\'s just agree to disagree.
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People treat their children as though they are made of porcelain nowadays...
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I have to remark on the comment - "When they are really young they have no concept of whats going on." - that\'s not excuse for having your young kids around drug and alcohol abuse.
tipping a few back, burning one and listening to tunes is not drug and alcohol abuse. Adults are able to maintain while the kids are around. Its the parents responsibility to make sure their kids are ok. but from your example we shouldn\'t take them to football games because people drink there or hockey games because there are drunks and fights.
times are definitely different but thats why we have such a generation of mommas boys and holier than thou types
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I have to remark on the comment - "When they are really young they have no concept of whats going on." - that\'s not excuse for having your young kids around drug and alcohol abuse. If you want to party, and I\'m not one to judge on how you party, if you are abusing booze/drugs, you\'re setting a bad example for your child.
Al Z - My Dad\'s friends also partied hard when I was around. I particularly remember one party down the shore where the landlord at the house we were staying at was drunk on homemade vodka and started throwing glasses at my fathers friend for taking his picture, and then after that decided to start throwing bowie knives at a tree. But I grew up with the drinking and thought it was okay, but now realize that my father should not have included me in those parties - they were adult parties, not for kids.
Maybe I\'ve gotten a little conservative, but I don\'t think that I\'ll be bringing my kid to any non PG rated concerts for while after he/she is born.
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I think it is good to expose kids to a wide range of experiences. My parents have a wild bunch of friends (think TKA or worse + 20 years) and I was always around them at a young age. I didn\'t even realize how much those people drank till I was much older anyway.
Besides, my parents would always provide social commentary when we saw stupid people.
I think I turned out ok. Citroen on the other hand....:idunno:
If I had kids, I\'d definitely expose them to as many good experiences as they would appreciate, concerts included.
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Two of my best friends kids have been to more Phish festivals than I have.
When they are really young they have no concept of whats going on.
And we are not talking about subjecting kids to drug abuse. your talking about people partying and having a good time. Which is a fine experience for young kids. It isn\'t until they get a little older where they are more aware of the behavior around them and even then it isn\'t a big deal. But it depends on your child and of course the parents.
And it is definitely a way to teach your kids plenty of good lessons. I know in our group when Kids are around we are much more low key about everything from cursing (I am bad at that) to openly smoking cigarettes etc or we just walk away for a while then come back. I find it nice to have kids around (as long as they aren\'t screaming and crying) it makes people a little more respectful in a way.
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I think that Weekapaug was probably referring to babies/young kids being exposed to drug and alcohol use/abuse at such a young age. While I can understand where Leith is coming from, I don\'t think that I would bring any baby to a concert whether it\'s Springsteen/The Dead/Pearl Jam/The Breakfast or any other band until they\'re in their teens. I may sound like an old man, but that just my 2 cents.
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I\'m just saying I wouldn\'t want my kids (if I had them) watching people drink/smoke and everything else that goes with it. You would have brought your kids to the puppethouse? If so, that\'s fine, I just wouldn\'t
Hell no! If I had kids I would never bring them to the Puppethouse. Actually not sure that I would bring them to a Breakfast show unless it were say a PB Family Jam.
That is my whole point. No matter what the reputation Grateful Dead concerts had concerning out of control partying etc. it was an entirely different experience in person at least on the West Coast and in the Midwest. The few East Coast shows I caught were def. less conducive to the "family atomosphere" but I believe that was mainly due to the venues played.
Good Parenting does not mean hiding the bad things in life rather showing the difference in the bad things and good things. GD concerts had plenty of both.
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I\'m just saying I wouldn\'t want my kids (if I had them) watching people drink/smoke and everything else that goes with it. You would have brought your kids to the puppethouse? If so, that\'s fine, I just wouldn\'t
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I had a friend in elementary school whos dad was a deadhead. This kid was born in 79 and his first show was 1981. The whole family went every time they came around.
Not saying everyone did that, but it did happen.
Happened alot out here. I know that.
One of the reasons we Deadheads always called it family. No matter what people want to remember about the end of the GD\'s run even in the end there were entire families enjoying the GOOD OL\' GRATEFUL DEAD together.
That type of fanbase will most likely never happen again. :(
Not to start a debate, but in my opinion that\'s a good thing that it will never happen. A show is not a place for a baby or children. Nevermind the sound levels for their hearing, seeing everything around is not a good influence
Babies were not in the front row and there are ear plugs for babies in the crowd. As for the influences how do you figure it\'s bad ? Did you ever partake in a picnic w/ several families during setbreak at Frost Amphitheater? Did you ever place a child on the top of the "Royal Chairs" at the Greek in Berkley and watch the delight in her eyes as she could see everything going on around her?
Have you ever played frisbee... I could go on but as the saying goes THERE IS NOTHING LIKE A GRATEFUL DEAD CONCERT. If you were not there you just don\'t know.
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I had a friend in elementary school whos dad was a deadhead. This kid was born in 79 and his first show was 1981. The whole family went every time they came around.
Not saying everyone did that, but it did happen.
Happened alot out here. I know that.
One of the reasons we Deadheads always called it family. No matter what people want to remember about the end of the GD\'s run even in the end there were entire families enjoying the GOOD OL\' GRATEFUL DEAD together.
That type of fanbase will most likely never happen again. :(
Not to start a debate, but in my opinion that\'s a good thing that it will never happen. A show is not a place for a baby or children. Nevermind the sound levels for their hearing, seeing everything around is not a good influence
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I had a friend in elementary school whos dad was a deadhead. This kid was born in 79 and his first show was 1981. The whole family went every time they came around.
Not saying everyone did that, but it did happen.
Happened alot out here. I know that.
One of the reasons we Deadheads always called it family. No matter what people want to remember about the end of the GD\'s run even in the end there were entire families enjoying the GOOD OL\' GRATEFUL DEAD together.
That type of fanbase will most likely never happen again. :(
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I\'m assumed that Todd was the elder Deadhead, that\'s why I requested it from him.
Close, but I\'m beat by a few.
I\'ve listened to the the 7/31/73 show and there really doesn\'t seem to be any out of the ordinary breaks, but who knows. My father doesn\'t like the dead anyway so he was probably pissed off about things that we\'ve come to expect and tolerate.
It down poured the hardest during The Band\'s set. So their set may have had the most technical problems. :shrug:
the only show I\'ve heard with a bunch of stop/start was the woodstock set. As far as todd only being 6 or 10, please. I had a friend in elementary school whos dad was a deadhead. This kid was born in 79 and his first show was 1981. The whole family went every time they came around.
Not saying everyone did that, but it did happen.
My first show was New Haven Coliseum May 11, 1981
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the only show I\'ve heard with a bunch of stop/start was the woodstock set. As far as todd only being 6 or 10, please. I had a friend in elementary school whos dad was a deadhead. This kid was born in 79 and his first show was 1981. The whole family went every time they came around.
Not saying everyone did that, but it did happen.
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Thanks everyone - I downloaded both shows, but wanted to know which show was the one. I\'m assumed that Todd was the elder Deadhead, that\'s why I requested it from him.
I\'ve listened to the the 7/31/73 show and there really doesn\'t seem to be any out of the ordinary breaks, but who knows. My father doesn\'t like the dead anyway so he was probably pissed off about things that we\'ve come to expect and tolerate.
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if that link is the correct show, that\'s one hell of a setlist "to me at least"
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I was only 6 years old in \'73, but I do know that it rained like hell for the 1973-07-31 show. I\'m pretty sure I have copies of this show and the next night\'s.
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\'the band\' only opened for the dead at the roosevelt shows in \'73 so i think kindm was spot on with his link for 1973-07-31.
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This is probably a Todd question, but I\'l appreciate any help.
My father\'s first GD show was somewhere between 72-74 at Roosevelt Stadium; The Band shared the bill, but played first (this leads me to believe that it was either 7/31/73 or 8/1/73). All he remembers is that there were a lot of technical problems, which led to a lot of short breaks. If I looks up reviews on Archive.org, it shows that there were technical and weather issues at the \'72, but that doesn\'t jive with The Band opening. I wanted to listen to this show to see what he missed after he walked out.
Any help in dating this show would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Todd was 10 years old in 1977, I am pretty sure that he wasn\'t rockin Roosevelt Staidum.....
However, that was the funniest post i have seen in a few days...thanks Ry.....
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Yeah - I remember my father saying that due to the constant breaks, by time the dead finally got going it was really late and papers commented that the the dead played until dawn. Needless to say, my father, who showed to see The Band, did not stay through the constant breaks.
If you could look this up in the almanac, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
http://www.setlists.net/?show_id=0868
was that not the show ?????
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Yeah - I remember my father saying that due to the constant breaks, by time the dead finally got going it was really late and papers commented that the the dead played until dawn. Needless to say, my father, who showed to see The Band, did not stay through the constant breaks.
If you could look this up in the almanac, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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if no one can help you out in the next couple hours i have the deadbase setlist book at home.
they only played 6 shows at roosevelt:
7/18/72, 9/19/72, 7/31/73, 8/1/73, 8/6/74, 8/4/76
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This is probably a Todd question, but I\'l appreciate any help.
My father\'s first GD show was somewhere between 72-74 at Roosevelt Stadium; The Band shared the bill, but played first (this leads me to believe that it was either 7/31/73 or 8/1/73). All he remembers is that there were a lot of technical problems, which led to a lot of short breaks. If I looks up reviews on Archive.org, it shows that there were technical and weather issues at the \'72, but that doesn\'t jive with The Band opening. I wanted to listen to this show to see what he missed after he walked out.
Any help in dating this show would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
http://www.setlists.net/?show_id=0868
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This is probably a Todd question, but I\'l appreciate any help.
My father\'s first GD show was somewhere between 72-74 at Roosevelt Stadium; The Band shared the bill, but played first (this leads me to believe that it was either 7/31/73 or 8/1/73). All he remembers is that there were a lot of technical problems, which led to a lot of short breaks. If I looks up reviews on Archive.org, it shows that there were technical and weather issues at the \'72, but that doesn\'t jive with The Band opening. I wanted to listen to this show to see what he missed after he walked out.
Any help in dating this show would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.