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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: kindm's on June 04, 2007, 01:58:10 pm
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i think i would just like weed to be legal, regardless of spirituality and ego and all that crap. GO RELL!!!
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Fair enough, Mr. kindm\'s, fair enough.
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Sure I know a lot of lazy people, some of them even smoke, but I know a lot of lazy people who don\'t.
Also, sometimes very busy people need to take time out.
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Marijuana makes you realize that whatever you are doing is just not worth doing.
I could not disagree more strongly.
thats what lazy people say when they don\'t want to do something. lazy people who smoke decide they don\'t want to do something and then they blame it on drugs.
What the statements says is that on pot you realize what you are doing isn\'t worth really doing. What you say or at least the way I read it, is that lazy people don\'t do something and blame it on weed. Which my statements states, or at least the way I read it, is that whatever you are doing isn\'t worth doing.
Not that I was ser about said statement, I was just fluffing and creating a little contro.
btw, are you calling me lazy? ;) :lol:
There is nothing wrong with being lazy sometimes. I love to being lazy. But there is a place and time for everything. I was just thinking of all the old stereotypes about lazy pot heads etc. Sure I know a lot of lazy people, some of them even smoke, but I know alot of lazy people who don\'t.
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Marijuana makes you realize that whatever you are doing is just not worth doing.
I could not disagree more strongly.
thats what lazy people say when they don\'t want to do something. lazy people who smoke decide they don\'t want to do something and then they blame it on drugs.
What the statements says is that on pot you realize what you are doing isn\'t worth really doing. What you say or at least the way I read it, is that lazy people don\'t do something and blame it on weed. Which my statements states, or at least the way I read it, is that whatever you are doing isn\'t worth doing.
Not that I was ser about said statement, I was just fluffing and creating a little contro.
btw, are you calling me lazy? ;) :lol:
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Emotionally healthy humans serve a humble life with compassion and love. They allow themselves to live free of fear by accepting their faults and the faults of others as being byproducts of the ego and collective human dysfunction. They\'re in constant growth and self awareness until the day they liberate the soul.
I was referring to people using several times, destroying the ego, and liberating the soul (hence the ascension). Sorry if I wasn\'t clear.
You\'re over-idealizing the concept of ego death / rebirth to assume that once that takes place under the influence of drugs, the soul is "liberated".
Many people have taken large doses of shrooms, LSD, DMT, etc and had their egos crushed, entered a state of one-ness with the universe, then came down off their drugs and remembered who they were. And most of those people were pretty much the same **** they were in the first place after a little time passes.
This is why people repeatedly use psychedelics including ganja. "Real Life" has a way of making you forget all that you are. As humans, sometimes we need a reminder.
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It is also used in many many non-western cultures for a simple intoxicant. Morocco and other Arabic countries where alcohol is taboo.
And look at how far it has gotten them! ;)
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Any "spiritual growth", or increased "self awareness" due to marijuana is nothing more than another illusion of the ego.
All illusions of the ego become clear and put in perspective under the influence of cannabis.
Can\'t you see that your belittlement of Jah-Love Botanical Manifestation is a reflex of your own ego?
It didn\'t tell me anything I already didn\'t know. It only enhanced my ego\'s stronghold.
Drugs affect everyone differently. :shrug: Sucks for you.
Fact is YOU are dependent on this chemical to make you feel a certain way. It\'s escapism Leith, plain and simple.
Ummmm, no ****, you need weed to feel stoned? Oh wait, except nobody really needs to feel stoned so it\'s not a big deal. I prefer to smoke regularly but it certainly doesn\'t bust my balls if for whatever reason I choose to go without. Also Cannabis is not a "chemical" it contains a complex of hundreds of chemicals. Sort of like Pepsi.
If it was truly a spiritual tool people would only need to use it several times, and never again. Then if that were the case everyone would be high, and all on planet earth would be ascended in oneness with the universe.
Your logic is totally bunk and you\'re smart enough to know it. There is absolutely no logic that says just because something is a spiritual tool it needs to be used only once.
For some people, it may need to be used only once. For others it may not.
And for others, maybe it needs to be used only once but since its so damn fun and harmless, they choose to keep using it!
Jah Love Organic-Manifestation ... it lifts my spirit. I do not consider this a bad thing. Some are jealous and consider it "cheating". All that matters to me is that I am a better and happier and healthier person because of cannabis vapors.
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Marijuana makes you realize that whatever you are doing is just not worth doing.
I could not disagree more strongly.
thats what lazy people say when they don\'t want to do something. lazy people who smoke decide they don\'t want to do something and then they blame it on drugs.
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Wow this thread went in a direction I wasn\'t expecting.
But I see a lot of issues here
1) Because YOU decide that something isn\'t for you should not be a basis for telling others that they are somehow broken because they chose to keep on keeping on
2) Because your life seems better to you now after giving something up is also not he basis to draw conclusions about others who do not choose your path
All this BS about being spiritual is total BS. If thats what gets you off then fine but your spirituality is yours and yours alone.
weed does not destroy your soul (like you have one anyway). If you really think that then I highly suggest you speak to certain folks with in the Rasta community and even perhaps certain Hindi sects. Purple Kush is named for a region in India where Cannabis has been grown since before Western Civilization. It is used in Eastern religions as well as Rastafari. I think they would be very put off by the idea that their sacrament somehow destroys their soul.
It is also used in many many non-western cultures for a simple intoxicant. Morocco and other Arabic countries where alcohol is taboo.
This whole smashing ones ego screams Psychology 101. Perhaps this ancient saying will help
"Oh Great Spirit, grant that I may never find fault with my neighbor until I have walked the trail of life in his moccasins."
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Marijuana makes you realize that whatever you are doing is just not worth doing.
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Basically there are "ok" ways and "not ok" ways to alter your brain chemistry. SSRI class anti-depressants are probably among the worst. (read about Zoloft withdrawl for example)
Zoloft is BAAADDD!!! never do zoloft.
Any "spiritual growth", or increased "self awareness" due to marijuana is nothing more than another illusion of the ego.
Shows what you know.
Exactly. For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.
By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.
See that\'s the problem w/ blanket statements like your first quote. From your quote you say Marijuana brought up fear and issues you were refusing or too afraid to look at.
Hmm from that statement one can conjecture that Marijuana actually HELPED you. It showed you things you need to work on and not to use Marijuana.
For YOU Pot **** with you and YOU can not handle it. That is on YOU.
Many people have learned how to use Marijuana w/o abusing it. There is a huge difference and if you cannot handle using a drug you should not use it. That goes for EVERY drug be it Aspirin or Marijuana
in regards to TreyChica\'s "fears", I remember when i was young and really started smoking I would always feel really paranoid about something for some reason. and i could never figure out why i was so paranoid. so i finally stopped toking (for that reason and others). That was in eighth grade. then i went to college and started smoking again and haven\'t felt any paranoia so far, and college freshman year was about 5 years ago. so maybe people do need some kind of "spiritual enlightenment" and what not...maybe they don\'t...guess it just depends on the person and their perception.
People need to start asking themselves...
"Why do I take drugs in the first place?" and "Why do I come down?"
Untill then they are going to be stuck in a feedback loop of constant craving...i.e. craving->getting high->coming down->craving.
because i\'m a RAGE-A-Holic...marijuana calms me down, therefore i am able to deal with my neighbors when i get home from work, rather than getting into arguments and probably being arrested...yes..i\'m a very angry little girl. :)
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Emotionally healthy humans serve a humble life with compassion and love. They allow themselves to live free of fear by accepting their faults and the faults of others as being byproducts of the ego and collective human dysfunction. They\'re in constant growth and self awareness until the day they liberate the soul.
I was referring to people using several times, destroying the ego, and liberating the soul (hence the ascension). Sorry if I wasn\'t clear.
BTW, I\'m in 100% agreement and support for the use of medicinal marijuana, even for Leith\'s vertigo and small stomach.
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leith this might just be me but when I quit smoking pot my weight went very quickly from 155 to 175 making me much less of a skinny **** than i used to be
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Any "spiritual growth", or increased "self awareness" due to marijuana is nothing more than another illusion of the ego.
Shows what you know.
Exactly. For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.
By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.
See that\'s the problem w/ blanket statements like your first quote. From your quote you say Marijuana brought up fear and issues you were refusing or too afraid to look at.
Hmm from that statement one can conjecture that Marijuana actually HELPED you. It showed you things you need to work on and not to use Marijuana.
For YOU Pot **** with you and YOU can not handle it. That is on YOU.
Many peple have learned how to use Marijuana w/o abusing it. There is a huge difference and if you cannot handle using a drug you should not use it. That goes for EVERY drug be it Aspirin or Marijuana
It didn\'t tell me anything I already didn\'t know. It only enhanced my ego\'s stronghold. Fact is YOU are dependent on this chemical to make you feel a certain way. It\'s escapism Leith, plain and simple. If it was truly a spiritual tool people would only need to use it several times, and never again. Then if that were the case everyone would be high, and all on planet earth would be ascended in oneness with the universe.
See?
There you go again. Blanket statements. Humans are as different in their chemical makeup as a field of flowers. Everyone has a different reaction to "drugs" and a different reason for using them. I personally use Marijauna to help w/ my vertigo and to increase my appetite as I am a skinny ****. Yeah I use it recreationally alot but I do not use it for spiritual insight as I have used it for that before and no longer need it for those reasons. I do use other psychedelics to "clear the cobwebs" every once in awhile and finds it really helps to center me.
Oh and another thing you seem to forget is emotionally healthy humans change as their life progresses and may need spiritual guidence as life changes. SO your theory of people needing to use several times and never again assumes stagnant emotional growth.
I think its possible that you might actually have some type spiritual insight when your high but once the high wears off your proably going to be right back where you started just wanting to get high again so thats the problem isn\'t it? It gives a glimpse of something but you can only experience that sensation while high which leads addiction to the substance that gives you that glimpse but doesn\'t give any lasting spiritual growth or bliss.
Wow that assumes you don\'t work on the spiritual insight you acheived while "high" once sober.
I know alot of people that actually are more proactive in their lives when they get shown the light in the strangest of places while they looked at it right.
I didn\'t mean that is the only possible outcome.
obviously there are some people who see the light and change there life. I also know a few myself. But in my experience those people are the exception while the majority get stuck in the loop of getting high and coming down and never even wondering if its possible to stay high without using drugs.
I can agree w/ that.
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I think its possible that you might actually have some type spiritual insight when your high but once the high wears off your proably going to be right back where you started just wanting to get high again so thats the problem isn\'t it? It gives a glimpse of something but you can only experience that sensation while high which leads addiction to the substance that gives you that glimpse but doesn\'t give any lasting spiritual growth or bliss.
Wow that assumes you don\'t work on the spiritual insight you acheived while "high" once sober.
I know alot of people that actually are more proactive in their lives when they get shown the light in the strangest of places while they looked at it right.
I didn\'t mean that is the only possible outcome.
obviously there are some people who see the light and change there life. I also know a few myself. But in my experience those people are the exception while the majority get stuck in the loop of getting high and coming down and never even wondering if its possible to stay high without using drugs.
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Any "spiritual growth", or increased "self awareness" due to marijuana is nothing more than another illusion of the ego.
Shows what you know.
Exactly. For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.
By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.
See that\'s the problem w/ blanket statements like your first quote. From your quote you say Marijuana brought up fear and issues you were refusing or too afraid to look at.
Hmm from that statement one can conjecture that Marijuana actually HELPED you. It showed you things you need to work on and not to use Marijuana.
For YOU Pot **** with you and YOU can not handle it. That is on YOU.
Many peple have learned how to use Marijuana w/o abusing it. There is a huge difference and if you cannot handle using a drug you should not use it. That goes for EVERY drug be it Aspirin or Marijuana
It didn\'t tell me anything I already didn\'t know. It only enhanced my ego\'s stronghold. Fact is YOU are dependent on this chemical to make you feel a certain way. It\'s escapism Leith, plain and simple. If it was truly a spiritual tool people would only need to use it several times, and never again. Then if that were the case everyone would be high, and all on planet earth would be ascended in oneness with the universe.
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I think its possible that you might actually have some type spiritual insight when your high but once the high wears off your proably going to be right back where you started just wanting to get high again so thats the problem isn\'t it? It gives a glimpse of something but you can only experience that sensation while high which leads addiction to the substance that gives you that glimpse but doesn\'t give any lasting spiritual growth or bliss.
Wow that assumes you don\'t work on the spiritual insight you acheived while "high" once sober.
I know alot of people that actually are more proactive in their lives when they get shown the light in the strangest of places while they looked at it right.
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For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.
By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.
I agree. Drugs (especially LSD, peyote, mushrooms, iowska and even marijuana) are best used as \'medicine\' for blowing holes in the ego so to speak. You take them to disolve the illusion of the world and see how things really are and what is possible. Or to look inside yourself and figure out why you took the drug in the first place?
Unfortunately these days most people seem to not respect drugs in this way and never move past the "it\'s fun to get **** up" stage. Nobody wants to find put in the effort to actually explore the source of the pleasure they experience from getting high because easier to just smoke up and get a taste when your craving one.
People need to start asking themselves...
"Why do I take drugs in the first place?" and "Why do I come down?"
Untill then they are going to be stuck in a feedback loop of constant craving...i.e. craving->getting high->coming down->craving.
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Because calling a person a jerk you\'ve never met, or talked to before, even in passing on this messageboard is compassion.
wasnt being serious anyway. but dont expect to find compassion on internet message boards.
Oh ok. The lack of compassion on messageboards is frightening. The invention of the world wide web was like the Ego finding an infinite supply of oil. Damn shame.
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Any "spiritual growth", or increased "self awareness" due to marijuana is nothing more than another illusion of the ego.
Shows what you know.
Exactly. For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.
By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.
See that\'s the problem w/ blanket statements like your first quote. From your quote you say Marijuana brought up fear and issues you were refusing or too afraid to look at.
Hmm from that statement one can conjecture that Marijuana actually HELPED you. It showed you things you need to work on and not to use Marijuana.
For YOU Pot **** with you and YOU can not handle it. That is on YOU.
Many people have learned how to use Marijuana w/o abusing it. There is a huge difference and if you cannot handle using a drug you should not use it. That goes for EVERY drug be it Aspirin or Marijuana
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Because calling a person a jerk you\'ve never met, or talked to before, even in passing on this messageboard is compassion.
wasnt being serious anyway. but dont expect to find compassion on internet message boards.
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Yeah, it seems marijuana use has really humbled you.
Because calling a person a jerk you\'ve never met, or talked to before, even in passing on this messageboard is compassion.
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Any "spiritual growth", or increased "self awareness" due to marijuana is nothing more than another illusion of the ego.
i wouldnt say that. before i tried weed i used to be as big of a jerk as you. :biggrin:
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Exactly. For me, my past use of marijuana brought up fear, and issues I was refusing/too afraid to look at in my life.
By avoiding the personal work that needs to be done, you merely compound to the illusion by depending on a chemical to get you to that place.
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I think its possible that you might actually have some type spiritual insight when your high but once the high wears off your proably going to be right back where you started just wanting to get high again so thats the problem isn\'t it? It gives a glimpse of something but you can only experience that sensation while high which leads addiction to the substance that gives you that glimpse but doesn\'t give any lasting spiritual growth or bliss.
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Any "spiritual growth", or increased "self awareness" due to marijuana is nothing more than another illusion of the ego.
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You make it sound like MDMA-style neurotransmitter fuction down regulation occurs with THC and other cannabinoids. There is quite a difference between a chain reaction type dopamine or (to a lesser extent) norepinepherine release as opposed to the sizzle fry exposed-to-free-radicals seratonin/dopamine dump caused by amphetamines and other drugs which have been shown to actually damage neurons.
There\'s simply no case for this with cannabis. Besides the science that shows cannabinoids actually help regrow brain cells the action of cannabis in the brain causes neurotransmitter fluctuations more closely matched to those that happen in everyday life...
Basically there are "ok" ways and "not ok" ways to alter your brain chemistry. SSRI class anti-depressants are probably among the worst. (read about Zoloft withdrawl for example)
Anyway I forgot what point I was going to make. Probably because I use cannabis.
Is it worth it? To have mostly health benefits and some highly debatable or subjective drawbacks? To enhance creativity and musical appreciation so much? To keep my mood and outlook on life generally positive? To enhance spirituality and self-awareness?
hell yea
Not everything that affects your brain is bad. See: "Nootropics"
And of course there\'s plenty of anecdotal evidence..... the old potheads I know are some of the healthiest, happiest, and most active old dudes I\'m aware of!
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The fact that it doesnt harm your lungs at all which I don\'t even know is true...doesn\'t make it 100% good for you.
It still effects your brain. It can alter your motivation, mental clarity, mental health, memory, etc.
It\'s a drug. It affects the release of the chemicals in your brain that make you experience pleasure like dopeamine. Mainly it releases massive amounts of them at one time when you smoke. This obviously throws off the natural balances and proccess going on up there. After using it for long periods of time it gets harder and harder for your brain to release normal amounts of the right chemicals without the drug. Basically there are many intricate reactions going on in your brain overtime that you are not even aware of and that would probably not be considered positive.
Of course most everyone needs something to take the edge off. And vaporizing marijuana in moderation is pretty safe. But \'100% benefit\' is not true either.
Word...
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The fact that it doesnt harm your lungs at all which I don\'t even know is true...doesn\'t make it 100% good for you.
It still effects your brain. It can alter your motivation, mental clarity, mental health, memory, etc.
It\'s a drug. It affects the release of the chemicals in your brain that make you experience pleasure like dopeamine. Mainly it releases massive amounts of them at one time when you smoke. This obviously throws off the natural balances and proccess going on up there. After using it for long periods of time it gets harder and harder for your brain to release normal amounts of the right chemicals without the drug. Basically there are many intricate reactions going on in your brain overtime that you are not even aware of and that would probably not be considered positive.
Of course most everyone needs something to take the edge off. And vaporizing marijuana in moderation is pretty safe. But \'100% benefit\' is not true either.
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Facts can be made up to prove anything, you hear conflicting reports depending on who you ask. The government will give study results that say it is bad for you but advocates will give you studies that state the opposite. To the best of my knowledge there is no known case of someone dying from the pot.
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Smoking anything is definitely not good for your overall health.
If your vaporizing its possible that the benefits may outweigh the harmfull effects.
Care to elaborate on any of the "harmful effects" of vaporizing cannabis?
It\'s not just possible... its pure 100% benefit man!
It\'s also subjective,... some people may not find feeling totally Irie to be a benefit.
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Smoking anything is definitely not good for your overall health.
If your vaporizing its possible that the benefits may outweigh the harmfull effects.
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LOL.... dude, the 1 joint = 20 cigarettes thing is some seriously old school anti-drug propaganda. Nobody still rocks that line.
Since I\'m lazy I\'ll just pull the first two articles I found on google.
Study: Smoking Marijuana Does Not Cause Lung Cancer (http://www.counterpunch.org/gardner07022005.html)
Cannabis exerts protective effect against cancer (http://www.medindia.com/news/view_news_main.asp?x=5336)
Additionally its useful to know that if you smoke cigarettes you have a smaller chance of getting lung cancer if you also smoke cannabis. This is because the cannabis allows your lungs to clear out all the radioactive **** from the cigarettes.
Besides, I use a Vapor Brothers vaporizer. My lungs function beautifully.
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cancer protection?? how is that if 1 joint = 20 cigarettes?
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I use it medically for....
- Depression (keeps me positive)
- Cancer protection (read up kidz)
- prevention of other diseases
Its just as important to me spiritually, creatively, and intellectually.
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it\'s about time dammit! and i\'m not just saying it as a pothead...medicinal marijuana can really help suffering people. and to say that it could be more harmful than effective is kinda pointless because the harms of smoking won\'t effect you in a couple of weeks/months whereas the symptoms of sicknesses like cancer could weaken you even more at any time. besides that, the patient that has the legal right to toke probably doesn\'t have much time left anyways (right? don\'t you need to be severely ill to have the prescription?) so the harmful effects of marijuana are nulled by that. on the upside...i didn\'t realize the patient was able to grow it themselves, i thought they got it from their doctor somehow...is that how it is in the other 12 states?
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If it passes, F.waht will likely be diagnosed with chronic pain. Make that Dr. appointment now!
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you guys need to send your local congress people e-mails telling them to support this or that you wont vote for them if they oppose etc
most people are to lazy to do anything so they usually do what the loudest people tell them to
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http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/scn-sa-marijuana3ajun02,0,7989888.story?coll=stam-news-local-headlines