Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Branch on May 13, 2007, 11:26:33 am
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: davepeck on June 03, 2007, 08:59:25 pm
Quote from: siflandollie;147631
I\'m pretty sure that the breakfast have made it clear that music is more important to them than money.
and i\'m pretty sure that if this were truly the case, the band would be playing more nights than friday and saturday, and more regions than the northeast.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: siflandollie on June 03, 2007, 08:49:46 pm
hahahaha
just read through this thread, quality stuff from this OMC character.
I\'m pretty sure that the breakfast have made it clear that music is more important to them than money. Yes, they could alter the quality of their music and make more money, its called selling out and lots of people enjoy the benefits of it (including jon mayer). The fact is that the band is sexy enough to do this. The breakfast impress me because they are sincere, Jon mayer bores me because he is not. I\'m pretty sure the boys would rather be sincere musicians and people than have fat wallets.
this omc character on the other hand is only concerened about the "bottom-line" which is fine if you are dealing with soulless LA Bullshit "music" that has consistently destroyed the quality and content of what is considered music in popular culture over the past 50 years.
The Bottom-Line is bang for the buck, how do I make the most money? **** the music, wheres the dough? Does that lead to inspired music? No.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Todd on June 03, 2007, 02:38:05 pm
Quote from: davepeck;147583
no, wait..
OMC, while you\'re here, can we please get your professional opinion on each of the names in the Great Band Name Thread (http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=5870)? kthx.
rotfl:lol:rotfl:lol:rotfl
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: davepeck on June 02, 2007, 10:36:44 pm
no, wait..
OMC, while you\'re here, can we please get your professional opinion on each of the names in the Great Band Name Thread (http://www.thebreakfast.info/forum/showthread.php?t=5870)? kthx.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: skalnbyc on June 02, 2007, 09:02:07 pm
Quote from: OMC;147567
Quote from: Rujah;147556
With the addition of a keyboardist (if and when that happens) this band will be "buzzworthy"
Not to mention 9 out of 10 people have never heard of this band.
10%; you are very generous! :biggrin:
Quote from: TreyChica;147578
Umm, so why are you here again? There\'s nothing wrong with my attitude. I don\'t hop onto fan message boards only to toot my own horn about how much of a corporate, soulless scumbag I am. If you really came here to "help" the band, you would be in DIRECT contact with them, Crescendo booking, and Phil their manager. Bottom line FANS DON\'T HAVE A SAY. The band does. It\'s THEM who decides to hire who. So unless you plan on adding something conducive to the band\'s careerpath please leave. You aren\'t even close to being the first to point out their weak points and you sure as hell won\'t be the last.
Where are those boxing glove emoticons when you need them?
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on June 02, 2007, 08:24:18 pm
Quote from: OMC;147574
Quote from: TreyChica;147568
Why don\'t you shut the **** up and do it yourself....
There is not enough money to be made. Not to mention there would have to be a lot of changes, starting with your attitude!
Quote from: Rujah;147570
i think the music should speak for itself
In theory you are correct. But in reality you are wrong.
Umm, so why are you here again? There\'s nothing wrong with my attitude. I don\'t hop onto fan message boards only to toot my own horn about how much of a corporate, soulless scumbag I am. If you really came here to "help" the band, you would be in DIRECT contact with them, Crescendo booking, and Phil their manager. Bottom line FANS DON\'T HAVE A SAY. The band does. It\'s THEM who decides to hire who. So unless you plan on adding something conducive to the band\'s careerpath please leave. You aren\'t even close to being the first to point out their weak points and you sure as hell won\'t be the last.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: OMC on June 02, 2007, 08:05:02 pm
Quote from: TreyChica;147568
Why don\'t you shut the **** up and do it yourself....
There is not enough money to be made. Not to mention there would have to be a lot of changes, starting with your attitude!
Quote from: Rujah;147570
i think the music should speak for itself
In theory you are correct. But in reality you are wrong.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Rujah on June 02, 2007, 07:36:41 pm
i think the music should speak for itself
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on June 02, 2007, 07:34:51 pm
Why don\'t you shut the **** up and do it yourself....
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: OMC on June 02, 2007, 07:32:59 pm
Quote from: Rujah;147556
With the addition of a keyboardist (if and when that happens) this band will be "buzzworthy"
Nope. Who is going to sing? Who is going to manage? Who is going to do A&R? Who is going to promote? Who is the CFO? Not to mention 9 out of 10 people have never heard of this band.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Igziabeher on June 02, 2007, 06:00:45 pm
advice from rujah, whats this world coming to?
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Rujah on June 02, 2007, 05:26:02 pm
yeah, right man. How bizare? Last time I checked they all play guitar. Tim just plays more notes
Here is some advice. Listen to other members of the band, past studio albums, lives shows, early experiments. I am not saying Tim may not be the most talented member of the band, but adrian and ron definitely have some amzaing talent and add a lot of the band\'s overall sound and appeal. With the addition of a keyboardist (if and when that happens) this band will be "buzzworthy"
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: OMC on June 02, 2007, 04:21:20 pm
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;147539
Quick question for OMC:
Have you heard The Breakfast? If so, what do you like?
Yes. Guitar, that is all. He can play, but he would be better off as a studio musician. Being in the studio would allow him to make the relationships he needs to further his career. The band has no future; but the guitarist has a future.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: skalnbyc on June 02, 2007, 03:42:20 pm
Quick question for OMC:
Have you heard The Breakfast? If so, what do you like?
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: OMC on June 02, 2007, 03:30:48 pm
Quote from: Stephengencs;147372
Spacey, I say we grab the band credit card and set up a high powered dinner and drink session with the big time players in the scene.......
If only it was that easy.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: WALSH on June 02, 2007, 01:27:07 pm
Igzi speaketh the truth.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: jocelyn on June 02, 2007, 02:08:10 am
I love that expression.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Igziabeher on June 02, 2007, 12:25:14 am
this dude sounds like a herb.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: jason-a on June 01, 2007, 10:14:37 pm
What?
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Todd on June 01, 2007, 08:00:09 pm
Quote from: Stephengencs;147372
Spacey, I say we grab the band credit card and set up a high powered dinner and drink session with the big time players in the scene.......
I wanna come!!
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: jocelyn on June 01, 2007, 07:25:33 pm
I just really enjoyed listening to "How Bizarre."
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on June 01, 2007, 07:17:27 pm
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Stephengencs on June 01, 2007, 07:15:20 pm
you frugal genius.....
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Spacey on June 01, 2007, 07:12:36 pm
Quote from: Stephengencs;147378
Quote from: Spacey;147377
Quote from: Stephengencs;147372
Spacey, I say we grab the band credit card and set up a high powered dinner and drink session with the big time players in the scene.......
lets do it.
I held the band credit card once, I should have never returned it.
Tell them we need it for some promotional purchases.
With gas prices at what they are lately, I think we would be able to swing a nice sit down at Applebees or maybe the Outback.....we\'ll see.....
I was thinking a diner or an all you can eat buffet at lunchtime when its cheaper.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Stephengencs on June 01, 2007, 07:11:02 pm
Quote from: Spacey;147377
Quote from: Stephengencs;147372
Spacey, I say we grab the band credit card and set up a high powered dinner and drink session with the big time players in the scene.......
lets do it.
I held the band credit card once, I should have never returned it.
Tell them we need it for some promotional purchases.
With gas prices at what they are lately, I think we would be able to swing a nice sit down at Applebees or maybe the Outback.....we\'ll see.....
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Spacey on June 01, 2007, 07:08:33 pm
Quote from: Stephengencs;147372
Spacey, I say we grab the band credit card and set up a high powered dinner and drink session with the big time players in the scene.......
lets do it.
I held the band credit card once, I should have never returned it.
Tell them we need it for some promotional purchases.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Stephengencs on June 01, 2007, 06:53:44 pm
Spacey, I say we grab the band credit card and set up a high powered dinner and drink session with the big time players in the scene.......
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Spacey on June 01, 2007, 06:52:06 pm
Steffmo hasn\'t been heard from on this board for quite sometime as far as I recall.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: skalnbyc on June 01, 2007, 06:41:02 pm
Quote from: OMC;147184
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;146706
O.M.C., I really do enjoy the insights you provide. One question still begs: why take the time out from your clubby world to comment on a band that has done nothing to foster the relationships you speak of?
Someone from your community called my office and asked me to check out this band. So I decided to come and check it out for myself.
That is all. No more. No less.
How about sending me a private message as to who, thus eliminating my curiosity?
I recall Steffmo talking about industry contacts, so that is my best guess thus far.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: OMC on June 01, 2007, 03:02:19 am
Quote from: alexanderzurflu;146706
O.M.C., I really do enjoy the insights you provide. One question still begs: why take the time out from your clubby world to comment on a band that has done nothing to foster the relationships you speak of?
Someone from your community called my office and asked me to check out this band. So I decided to come and check it out for myself.
That is all. No more. No less.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Spacey on May 30, 2007, 10:35:49 am
haha, OMC How Bizarre...
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: booztravlr on May 30, 2007, 10:30:46 am
so, on a very off tangent side note this is what i first thought of after reading some posts in here...
hopefully someone catches the reference in there. now back to your regular scheduled programming, carry on.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: skalnbyc on May 29, 2007, 06:30:18 pm
O.M.C., I really do enjoy the insights you provide. One question still begs: why take the time out from your clubby world to comment on a band that has done nothing to foster the relationships you speak of?
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: OMC on May 29, 2007, 06:09:10 pm
Quote from: FreeSpirit;146479
:lol: absolutely, as well as a newb, or whatever else you\'d like to call me. But I do believe in what the band is doing, and don\'t know who you are (yet) so... fair enough.
So, I guess you expect us fans to suddenly get in contact with the people that MANAGEMENT should be contacting. That sounds great, but, as a teacher, the only network I have are kids in the 8-10 age range. Back to my original point: management should be doing the name-dropping, etc. and the fans should be enjoying the music & bringing new fans in. "grassroots" style. ;)
Name dropping, no. Relationships, yes.
"That sounds great, but, as a teacher, the only network I have are kids in the 8-10 age range."
That is the field of work that you chose and that\'s great. The entertainment industry is not for everyone and not everyone can break in. It\'s a closed society of friends who make the industry go round. It takes years to break in and hopefully when you do, you get accepted.
Since you do not work in the industry, lay off the industry and be a fan. You clearly stated that you are a FAN. Enjoy being a fan and do not get down when the band has had the wrong management and has severed relationships for years.
Be a fan and enjoy the band. Teach during the day and make sure the kids get a great education.
Quote from: Todd;146481
Yikes!
It\'s called honesty.
Quote from: Gfunk;146478
Don\'t you usually have to be invited to that kind of thing? OMC your from "Industry Land," Make some calls, hook it up.
Yes, but you get there from getting out and networking. It takes years to get there and its a small world when you do.
No Networking, no Relationships. No Realtionships, no contacts. No Contacts, No Favors. No Favors, No Success.
That is all.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Todd on May 27, 2007, 05:18:49 pm
Yikes!
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Post by: FreeSpirit on May 27, 2007, 04:25:17 pm
Quote from: OMC;146474
FreeSpirit, you are a lost spirit.
:lol: absolutely, as well as a newb, or whatever else you\'d like to call me. But I do believe in what the band is doing, and don\'t know who you are (yet) so... fair enough.
Quote from: OMC;146474
No no no!!!! You are 100% wrong! Communities build bands and management makes the right decisions to guide the ship. Without the community, a band has nothing. Just look at Modest Mouse who broke a few years ago. It was due to their fan base!
Are you ser? I do not understand. Do you mean am I serious? Yes. Your networking is grassroots promotion, not "networking". Grassroots promotion and networking are two different things in two different leagues. When you start to attend black tie dinners with media moguls and get lunches and meetings with them, that is networking. When you pass out fliers, promote, and take photos you are doing grassroots promotion.
So, I guess you expect us fans to suddenly get in contact with the people that MANAGEMENT should be contacting. That sounds great, but, as a teacher, the only network I have are kids in the 8-10 age range. Back to my original point: management should be doing the name-dropping, etc. and the fans should be enjoying the music & bringing new fans in. "grassroots" style. ;)
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Gfunk on May 27, 2007, 03:35:14 pm
Quote from: OMC;146474
When you start to attend black tie dinners with media moguls and get lunches and meetings with them, that is networking. When you pass out fliers, promote, and take photos you are doing grassroots promotion.
Don\'t you usually have to be invited to that kind of thing? OMC your from "Industry Land," Make some calls, hook it up.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: OMC on May 27, 2007, 02:03:39 pm
Waht, you are correct and wrong at the same time. "bisco+ump mcgee+bp" are also nobody\'s in the overall terms of the music industry. (Ump Mcgee can\'t sell out the Key Club in LA, which Metal Skool comes close to on a weekly basis.) They have ZERO buzz and little to no press. Ask anyone around the industry in any of the MRI markets and they will say who.
That being said, their vocals are better but not great. Without good to great vocals you will not sell and appeal to a large audience. No audience, no sales. Bottom line.
Quote from: leith;146473
Quote from: FreeSpirit;146469
Start to think differently and look for opportunities that other bands are not.
The side projects that I\'ve seen, like adding Caitlin - a 14 yr. old prodigy in "Switch Up" or Adrian\'s "Blah Blah Collective" jazz/funk group on Mondays has proven to me that this band is continuing to grow in unique styles. I don\'t see other bands doing this, which is why I keep coming back for more.
Sorry but Side Projects are just that SIDE projects. They do hardly anything to forward the progress of The Breakfast other than putting some cash in Tim or Adrian\'s pocket.
As a matter of fact I am a firm believer that the side projects do more to hinder the growth of The Breakfast rather than help it.
Leith, you are 100% correct. In order to be successful you MUST focus on the main goal which is the band.
Quote from: FreeSpirit;146469
Quote from: OMC;146458
Just as a casual note from a friend of a friend of a friend\'s take on this mess you a call a community.
Why would this "community" focus so much attention on a festival that is so low on totem pole that it does not get any press?
Any festival is a good festival, especially one that is local and has many new fans to be won over.
The Jamband scene does not carry any weight in the overall picture of the music industry, nor should it. Jambands DO NOT sell records or digital singles. So the interest and investment is not worth the time of a major label.
I agree with your point here that a major label may not pick up this band. I don\'t think anyone on this board wants this band to be the next "big thing" on MTV, but the jamband scene does carry weight with fans who appreciate and respect quality musicianship.
Either stop singing or hire a professional singer. Consumers want bands that can play and SING. Without the right vocals a band will not succeed and reach the success that this "community" wants for them.
Many of us have had discussions about the vocals. I\'ve been listening to the band for a few years, and have definitely noticed an improvement in the vocal abilities, and some of their songs (i.e. Rufus) would not be the same with no vocals. I don\'t think they need to hire a professional singer, as there have been plenty of unique singers in the past that have gained popularity due to the originality (i.e. Bob Dylan)
That being said "the Band and community" must look to do it on their own and hope that they can break even at the end of the year.
That is the management\'s job, not the "community" (which, I don\'t know why you put it in quotes... it is what it is) The fans are here to support the band in any way possible, though there are limitations
If "you" really want to "break" this band, the community has to stop partying so much and start networking and building relationships.
Many people in this community do more than their share of networking and helping to support the band. Either through taping, attending shows, promoting, taking photos, getting new people to come out, or even just running this website. But to stop having fun and partying? Are you ser?! ;)
Start to think differently and look for opportunities that other bands are not.
The side projects that I\'ve seen, like adding Caitlin - a 14 yr. old prodigy in "Switch Up" or Adrian\'s "Blah Blah Collective" jazz/funk group on Mondays has proven to me that this band is continuing to grow in unique styles. I don\'t see other bands doing this, which is why I keep coming back for more.
Bottom line is that this community and band MUST re-think their image and direction or it will continue to fail.
By asking the band to change in order to succeed is rediculous. You bring up many good points, and I agree with your ideas to help get a mainstream image for this band, but I also feel/hope than management will step up to the plate. Our community is doing many things to help, but it shouldn\'t be up to us and only us to "fix" the problems of the band.
FreeSpirit, you are a lost spirit.
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Any festival is a good festival, especially one that is local and has many new fans to be won over.
Yes, if you do not want to grow and appeal to the same crowd who has **** on you for years and years now. You SHOULD NOT need a local festival to get new fans. If that is the case, you must re-think your marketing plan and start over. It is not working.
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I agree with your point here that a major label may not pick up this band. I don\'t think anyone on this board wants this band to be the next "big thing" on MTV, but the jamband scene does carry weight with fans who appreciate and respect quality musicianship.[/b
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In case you have been living in a cave for the past 4 years, MTV is dead. It does not play a role in making or breaking a band anymore. Tom Freston is out and Summer Redstone is still trying to figure out what to do with MTV. MTV is a lifestyle brand ala Christie Hefner\'s Playboy.
The jamband scene may carry weight with fans, but how many of them are out there? Thousands, not millions. Millions break a band, thousands enjoy a band.
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Many of us have had discussions about the vocals. I\'ve been listening to the band for a few years, and have definitely noticed an improvement in the vocal abilities, and some of their songs (i.e. Rufus) would not be the same with no vocals. I don\'t think they need to hire a professional singer, as there have been plenty of unique singers in the past that have gained popularity due to the originality (i.e. Bob Dylan)
That\'s fine and dandy if they have improved, but they are still TERRIBLE! Bob Dylan was a poet and had a great team backing him and supporting him. Not to mention he was on CBS/Columbia back in the Black Rock days when Walter was running the label. Walter and Grubman could make a break bands and they made Dylan.
Either you can sing and sell records or you will always remain a local band with a local following.
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That is the management\'s job, not the "community" (which, I don\'t know why you put it in quotes... it is what it is) The fans are here to support the band in any way possible, though there are limitations
No no no!!!! You are 100% wrong! Communities build bands and management makes the right decisions to guide the ship. Without the community, a band has nothing. Just look at Modest Mouse who broke a few years ago. It was due to their fan base!
If you do not know your history, you are doomed to repeat it.
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Many people in this community do more than their share of networking and helping to support the band. Either through taping, attending shows, promoting, taking photos, getting new people to come out, or even just running this website. But to stop having fun and partying? Are you ser?! ;)
Are you ser? I do not understand. Do you mean am I serious? Yes. Your networking is grassroots promotion, not "networking". Grassroots promotion and networking are two different things in two different leagues. When you start to attend black tie dinners with media moguls and get lunches and meetings with them, that is networking. When you pass out fliers, promote, and take photos you are doing grassroots promotion.
"taking photos" - Do you upload them to Flicker and use them to build the bands Google Ranking and buzz? Photos are a great tool if you use them right.
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The side projects that I\'ve seen, like adding Caitlin - a 14 yr. old prodigy in "Switch Up" or Adrian\'s "Blah Blah Collective" jazz/funk group on Mondays has proven to me that this band is continuing to grow in unique styles. I don\'t see other bands doing this, which is why I keep coming back for more.
See my response in Leith\'s post. The band is not focused what makes me think they do not want the ultimate prize.
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By asking the band to change in order to succeed is ridiculous. You bring up many good points, and I agree with your ideas to help get a mainstream image for this band, but I also feel/hope than management will step up to the plate. Our community is doing many things to help, but it shouldn\'t be up to us and only us to "fix" the problems of the band.
How is it ridiculous? Answer that question for me. John Mayer changed and he became a superstar thanks in part to Donnie, Jason, Aware, and Columbia. How was he able to do this? He networked and kissed Jason\'s ass to get to Donnie and then Donnie made him a priority and he made him a superstar. Mayer sells out MSG and dates on-again off-again label group mate Jessica Simpson.
He changed and won. You can change and win. It\'s your call and your future. That is all.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: leith on May 27, 2007, 12:59:42 pm
Quote from: FreeSpirit;146469
Start to think differently and look for opportunities that other bands are not.
The side projects that I\'ve seen, like adding Caitlin - a 14 yr. old prodigy in "Switch Up" or Adrian\'s "Blah Blah Collective" jazz/funk group on Mondays has proven to me that this band is continuing to grow in unique styles. I don\'t see other bands doing this, which is why I keep coming back for more.
Sorry but Side Projects are just that SIDE projects. They do hardly anything to forward the progress of The Breakfast other than putting some cash in Tim or Adrian\'s pocket.
As a matter of fact I am a firm believer that the side projects do more to hinder the growth of The Breakfast rather than help it.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: bdfreetuna on May 27, 2007, 12:02:33 pm
^^ Dunno about that, Umphreys vocals blow Breakfast\'s out of the water IMO
Last UM show I went to a month or so ago it was no mystery why they are so popular these days. Their **** is tight any way you look at it. Now that Breakfast seems to be trying to rock harder and for me has lost some of their ambient vibes I know I\'m personally ready to admit that UM is just simply a better band.
Bisco and BP vocals are pretty **** out though.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: freddiewaht on May 27, 2007, 11:39:10 am
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Mamalakabubadaya on May 27, 2007, 11:25:21 am
wow. who is this omc character? i am definitely intrigued.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: FreeSpirit on May 27, 2007, 09:37:06 am
Quote from: OMC;146458
Just as a casual note from a friend of a friend of a friend\'s take on this mess you a call a community.
Why would this "community" focus so much attention on a festival that is so low on totem pole that it does not get any press?
Any festival is a good festival, especially one that is local and has many new fans to be won over.
The Jamband scene does not carry any weight in the overall picture of the music industry, nor should it. Jambands DO NOT sell records or digital singles. So the interest and investment is not worth the time of a major label.
I agree with your point here that a major label may not pick up this band. I don\'t think anyone on this board wants this band to be the next "big thing" on MTV, but the jamband scene does carry weight with fans who appreciate and respect quality musicianship.
Either stop singing or hire a professional singer. Consumers want bands that can play and SING. Without the right vocals a band will not succeed and reach the success that this "community" wants for them.
Many of us have had discussions about the vocals. I\'ve been listening to the band for a few years, and have definitely noticed an improvement in the vocal abilities, and some of their songs (i.e. Rufus) would not be the same with no vocals. I don\'t think they need to hire a professional singer, as there have been plenty of unique singers in the past that have gained popularity due to the originality (i.e. Bob Dylan)
That being said "the Band and community" must look to do it on their own and hope that they can break even at the end of the year.
That is the management\'s job, not the "community" (which, I don\'t know why you put it in quotes... it is what it is) The fans are here to support the band in any way possible, though there are limitations
If "you" really want to "break" this band, the community has to stop partying so much and start networking and building relationships.
Many people in this community do more than their share of networking and helping to support the band. Either through taping, attending shows, promoting, taking photos, getting new people to come out, or even just running this website. But to stop having fun and partying? Are you ser?! ;)
Start to think differently and look for opportunities that other bands are not.
The side projects that I\'ve seen, like adding Caitlin - a 14 yr. old prodigy in "Switch Up" or Adrian\'s "Blah Blah Collective" jazz/funk group on Mondays has proven to me that this band is continuing to grow in unique styles. I don\'t see other bands doing this, which is why I keep coming back for more.
Bottom line is that this community and band MUST re-think their image and direction or it will continue to fail.
By asking the band to change in order to succeed is rediculous. You bring up many good points, and I agree with your ideas to help get a mainstream image for this band, but I also feel/hope than management will step up to the plate. Our community is doing many things to help, but it shouldn\'t be up to us and only us to "fix" the problems of the band.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: leith on May 27, 2007, 01:52:05 am
Totally.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 27, 2007, 01:06:17 am
BTW, post of the century as far as I\'m concerned....
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: OMC on May 26, 2007, 08:50:45 pm
Just as a casual note from a friend of a friend of a friend\'s take on this mess you a call a community.
Why would this "community" focus so much attention on a festival that is so low on totem pole that it does not get any press?
Bob and Ken are NOBODY\'S in the music industry. So TreyChica you are right; You do not have to suck their nuts or kiss their ass. If you want to kiss some ass, start doing some research.
Instead, you "this community" should focus your attention on building relationships at AEG and Live Nation. They "own" the most premier venues in the world and put on the "best" festivals in terms of press and exposure. Get on one of their festival bills and you will see a great return on investment.
The Jamband scene does not carry any weight in the overall picture of the music industry, nor should it. Jambands DO NOT sell records or digital singles. So the interest and investment is not worth the time of a major label.
Either stop singing or hire a professional singer. Consumers want bands that can play and SING. Without the right vocals a band will not succeed and reach the success that this "community" wants for them.
That being said "the Band and community" must look to do it on their own and hope that they can break even at the end of the year.
If "you" really want to "break" this band, the community has to stop partying so much and start networking and building relationships.
Start to think differently and look for opportunities that other bands are not.
Bottom line is that this community and band MUST re-think their image and direction or it will continue to fail.
That is all.
OMC.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Gfunk on May 17, 2007, 05:10:00 pm
Quote from: Klout;145297
pfffffffffff......maybe a year or two ago when they were solid 4 piece gaining popularity and new fans and i.e. on the rise not the decline. I was sure they were gonna blow up after moe down 2 years ago but it never happened and they haven\'t played a big festival since and they wont be playing the vibes or any other majors this summer because the management sucks and the band isn\'t as good as it used to be. thats about all there is too it.
WOW. maybe i\'m completely mistaken, but arn\'t you friends with Phil? i am pretty sure that he has contacted the people at terripan and was ignored. i wish there was an easy answer to this problem.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: melanie on May 17, 2007, 03:47:40 pm
I\'ll be there! I LOVE seaside park. vibes 99 and 00 were probably 2 of my favorite festies ever (at least in terms of larger ones). Wish the breakfast were :(
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: bdfreetuna on May 16, 2007, 05:13:25 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;145427
Quote from: bdfreetuna;145403
Quote from: kindm\'s;145254
I might agree that the Breakfast are better than some of the bands you mention but Martin Sexton kicks serious ass and that has nothing to do with it.
werd.
I\'ll be @ Vibes. It would be cool if Breakfast was there but the lineup is going to be sick regardless so I\'m not holding my breath.
If your gonna def be there. come say hi in the taperssection.
We can have a beer or 3
Yeah man I guess we\'ve never met?
3 beers it is then :)
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Todd on May 16, 2007, 02:18:24 pm
Pretty sure we\'ll be there regardless.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: derickw on May 16, 2007, 11:36:01 am
Quote from: jocelyn;145430
Quote from: freddiewaht;145394
i dont care what anyone says,the former breakfast manager pissed off ken to the point that although hes not even still the manager,youll never see the band on aterrapin thrown event. end of thread
Well... there you have it.
politics
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: jocelyn on May 16, 2007, 11:30:33 am
Quote from: freddiewaht;145394
i dont care what anyone says,the former breakfast manager pissed off ken to the point that although hes not even still the manager,youll never see the band on aterrapin thrown event. end of thread
Well... there you have it.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: kindm's on May 16, 2007, 11:22:26 am
Quote from: bdfreetuna;145403
Quote from: kindm\'s;145254
I might agree that the Breakfast are better than some of the bands you mention but Martin Sexton kicks serious ass and that has nothing to do with it.
werd.
I\'ll be @ Vibes. It would be cool if Breakfast was there but the lineup is going to be sick regardless so I\'m not holding my breath.
If your gonna def be there. come say hi in the taperssection.
We can have a beer or 3
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: bdfreetuna on May 15, 2007, 05:28:09 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;145254
I might agree that the Breakfast are better than some of the bands you mention but Martin Sexton kicks serious ass and that has nothing to do with it.
werd.
I\'ll be @ Vibes. It would be cool if Breakfast was there but the lineup is going to be sick regardless so I\'m not holding my breath.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: freddiewaht on May 15, 2007, 04:39:30 pm
i dont care what anyone says,the former breakfast manager pissed off ken to the point that although hes not even still the manager,youll never see the band on aterrapin thrown event. end of thread
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 15, 2007, 02:01:04 pm
Quote from: derickw;145352
Mike Gordon Returns for RAQ
Mike Gordon emerged from semi-hibernation Friday night to help RAQ celebrate 4/20 at South Burlington, VT?s Higher Ground. The former Phish bassist emerged at the start of RAQ?s second set for ?I?m Bad I?m Nationwide? and the Allman Brothers Band?s ?Whipping Post.? During his 92nd St. Y appearance Trey Anastasio mentioned that Gordon was taking a year off from touring, which likely accounts for his limited appearances in recent months. Gordon wasn?t the only Phish-associate on the bill that night: former Phish engineer and current Page McConnell band bassist Rob O\'Dea opened the evening with Deep Soda. On Saturday Jon Fishman and Touchpants supported RAQ at New York?s Bowery Ballroom as part of Green Apple. RAQ will perform May 4 at Church, VA?s The State Theatre.
Well, RAQ is from a huge jamband market. I\'ve suggested the Breakfast move to more fertile grounds and was met with disdain at the idea. RAQ\'s manager was Strangefolk\'s manager back when Strangefolk had Reid. The contacts and connections were already well established, which is why RAQ semi-blew up so quick. The Breakfast needs management with REAL connections and a lengthy resume.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Igziabeher on May 15, 2007, 01:26:49 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;145329
I\'m not really sure why folks decided to point the finger at me.
Again.
All I was doing was explaining that there isn\'t some Terrapin conspiracy to keep the Breakfast out of their festival.
I am not a Terrapin apologist. Never have been and I think if you asked them they would agree. I was just telling it like it is. If you don\'t like it fine but not sure how that translates in to me having my head up their ass.
They throw a great festival. I have worked many of them, I also am lucky enough to get to see what goes on behind the scenes for better or for worse.
The attacks against Terrapin were unwarranted and most of all complete BS so I made a point to lay it out
i was just bustin balls really.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: derickw on May 15, 2007, 12:39:38 pm
Mike Gordon Returns for RAQ
Mike Gordon emerged from semi-hibernation Friday night to help RAQ celebrate 4/20 at South Burlington, VT’s Higher Ground. The former Phish bassist emerged at the start of RAQ’s second set for “I’m Bad I’m Nationwide” and the Allman Brothers Band’s “Whipping Post.” During his 92nd St. Y appearance Trey Anastasio mentioned that Gordon was taking a year off from touring, which likely accounts for his limited appearances in recent months. Gordon wasn’t the only Phish-associate on the bill that night: former Phish engineer and current Page McConnell band bassist Rob O\'Dea opened the evening with Deep Soda. On Saturday Jon Fishman and Touchpants supported RAQ at New York’s Bowery Ballroom as part of Green Apple. RAQ will perform May 4 at Church, VA’s The State Theatre.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Klout on May 15, 2007, 10:36:47 am
vibes was a blast last year. DBB ripped it up as they always do. I was there two years ago two when the breakfast played and they were scheduled for 1 am i think and I went over at like 5 after 1 and they were one song away from the encore.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: FreeSpirit on May 15, 2007, 10:35:13 am
I think many people on this board seem to vent at someone/anyone when the person doesn\'t agree with the opinion being made. Sad, really :(
:shrug: Anyway, I\'d go to GOTV - Their lineup looks great & it\'s so close to home!
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: kindm's on May 15, 2007, 10:31:12 am
I\'m not really sure why folks decided to point the finger at me.
Again.
All I was doing was explaining that there isn\'t some Terrapin conspiracy to keep the Breakfast out of their festival.
I am not a Terrapin apologist. Never have been and I think if you asked them they would agree. I was just telling it like it is. If you don\'t like it fine but not sure how that translates in to me having my head up their ass.
They throw a great festival. I have worked many of them, I also am lucky enough to get to see what goes on behind the scenes for better or for worse.
The attacks against Terrapin were unwarranted and most of all complete BS so I made a point to lay it out
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Me! on May 15, 2007, 01:18:30 am
wow....
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Rujah on May 15, 2007, 12:18:19 am
i got to agree with peck and klout on this one even though I will not be at the gathering this year, it is in their home state and they should be playing no matter what the time slot. there are tons of other bands who are no way as good as the breakfast but oh well. personally i believe it has to be a management problem or the band. someone has to make calls and get this band out recognized or else it will just be us who support them.
not sure who else said these, but the breakfast is the only band I will travel any distance to see them. i am usually so busy that this is the only board I visit on a regualar basis, although I did read the the gotv posts about the band. but probably won\'t read them tomorrow unless someone posts something else about it on .info. maybe they just need a keyboardist, are they even looking for one? i mean don\'t get me wrong I love them as a trio. the sound is a little different but only for those who have grown accustomed to them as a 4-piece, perhaps a lot of the newer fans do not even know they used to have jordan.
after taking a short look at the calendar, i noticed they have little shows scheduled during the week. they need to just get out and tour: big fests, small fests, no fests, or their own fests. they need to hit the road and earn a following. it is not just going to land fall in their lap.
(if the post is incoherent, I apologize in advance for I couldnt resist oh and I have been drinking tonight as usual. Feel free to criticize)
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Klout on May 14, 2007, 11:12:04 pm
yea...I just feel like asking why they arent playing vibes is moot. Nobody cares thats why. Except maybe the dozen people who are for it between this thread and the other ones. No one cares. Thats why they aren\'t playing vibes. It doesn\'t take a genius to figure it out. It\'s not a terrapin conspiracy. Theres 20 people who would like to see them there and none that are going to do anything about beyond stupidly asking why on these threads.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: oldnewbie on May 14, 2007, 11:10:47 pm
I PERSONALLY despise the oxymoron that is considered the Dead Family.
you have no idea....you weren\'t there. we are everywhere....still. oh.......and igzi\'s finally wrong. ;)
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 14, 2007, 10:49:14 pm
Quote from: Klout;145301
i thought about that actually and i was gonna check but i thought it was the same year as moe down but whatever. those two fests were chances for them to blow and it didn\'t happen. almost nobody went to those festies to see the breakfast and they ended up getting a lot of random exposure which just fizzled in the end. people don\'t even know what good **** is anymore.
If there isn\'t a "scene" surrounding them, they must not warrant a crowd.
I know you aren\'t a fan of the trio Klout, neither was I. But I remembered to accept them for what they were. The last Toad\'s show I stayed in the mindset the whole night, and had one of the best Breakfast experiences. Something akin to 2001! Sure, at times I get fed up with the muddy mix, but I try to think of it as a boulder of energy, as opposed to a swamp of blahhhh. Anyways, I hope to meet you at a future show bud.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Klout on May 14, 2007, 10:39:56 pm
i thought about that actually and i was gonna check but i thought it was the same year as moe down but whatever. those two fests were chances for them to blow and it didn\'t happen. almost nobody went to those festies to see the breakfast and they ended up getting a lot of random exposure which just fizzled in the end. people don\'t even know what good **** is anymore.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Igziabeher on May 14, 2007, 10:22:21 pm
Quote from: Klout;145297
. I was sure they were gonna blow up after moe down 2 years ago but it never happened and they haven\'t played a big festival since .
they played 10KLF last year.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Klout on May 14, 2007, 09:38:01 pm
pfffffffffff......maybe a year or two ago when they were solid 4 piece gaining popularity and new fans and i.e. on the rise not the decline. I was sure they were gonna blow up after moe down 2 years ago but it never happened and they haven\'t played a big festival since and they wont be playing the vibes or any other majors this summer because the management sucks and the band isn\'t as good as it used to be. thats about all there is too it.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Igziabeher on May 14, 2007, 09:34:09 pm
I gotta go w/ Joe on this one.
too bad kindm\'s is all gdf 4 lyphe and can\'t pull his head out of his and terrapin\'s ass.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 14, 2007, 09:26:58 pm
Quote from: davepeck;145286
just a random thought:
the breakfast being at gotv or any other festival isn\'t about me or any other breakfast fan being able to see them there - it\'s about all of the other people at the festival getting to see them.
that\'s all.
Amen..
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: davepeck on May 14, 2007, 07:58:50 pm
just a random thought:
the breakfast being at gotv or any other festival isn\'t about me or any other breakfast fan being able to see them there - it\'s about all of the other people at the festival getting to see them.
that\'s all.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 14, 2007, 07:14:15 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;145284
Quote from: TreyChica;145283
Quote from: kindm\'s;145282
Family Bands = Grateful Dead Family. I wasn\'t saying Family Friendly.(sorry I forgot you were like ten when Jerry Died)
You guys are basically arguing line ups
The Breakfast was definitely NOT the highlight of the Vibes in 2005. You would know that if you were there.
The bad mouthing of the Vibes isn\'t going to help the breakfast when it comes to Terrapin.
The lineups may or may not attract you as a concert goer. But thats neither here nor there.
The Vibes lineups as well as experience was much Better in 1999 and 2000 in Bridgeport the last time they had them there.
ILCC (Mariaville) has a whole bunch of problems unrelated to Terrapin. If you want to know why The Breakfast got their set cut short and the soundman threatened have a glorious time in Mariaville.
I find it funny that your whining about the band not making the festival lineup and then out and out trashing the festival you wish they were playing. And from your tone even if they did add the Breakfast you wouldn\'t go because the festival is bunk.
No one is saying that the band has to hang out on their board. But guess what, they don\'t have a large following of fans there that talk about going to see Breakfast shows ever. And a huge percentage of the members on that board **** live in CT as well. But they do talk about going to U-melt shows, Ryan Montbleau Band shows etc etc etc etc I think you might get the point
RE: Mountain Jam.
Mountain Jam is not a festival. it is a concert with camping. there were only a handful of vendors, the camping is spread out all over the palce and many many people stay in the local hotels.
I will grant you that the recent additions to the lineup make it interesting. I went to Mountain Jam last year and it sucked. Security was CRAZY (which by the way is why camp bisco has moved to ILCC) the venue is only OK if you like camping on a 35 degree incline. The lineup was OK but again this is subjective. I would much rather be at a Terrapin run event then Mountain Jam. But perhaps they will get their **** together and it will be better this year.
The vibes is the only large festival in the North East. it is what it is and if the lineup doesn\'t do it for you there are a bunch of smaller festivals that the Breakfast have afternoon sets at so go to those.
A. Don\'t pull the age card. Our opinions and tastes differ, but musically I know EXACTLY what I like and WHY I like it. My passion since the age of 4 has been collecting and absorbing as much GOOD music as possible. BTW my first Phish show was in \'95.
B. No, I wasn\'t there in 2005, but I remember people who were telling me The Breakfast was the highlight, and they were pissed about being cut short.
C. It would be asbolutely silly if they cared THAT much about one person\'s opinion. Unless you\'re writing Ken Hayes little sweetnothings about the unheady Vibes of the Breakfast crew, then I doubt they\'ll hear about this.
And you\'re right, I wouldn\'t pay for a Vibes ticket. It\'s not my taste. However I\'m sure there are at least a dozen dedicated Breakfast fans who WOULD go just to support the band. At $140 a pop, that\'s not a bad chunk of change. And dividing CT up into "scenes" is childish. Sure, southern CT doesn\'t get the best acts all the time, but there are still MANY concert goers who come out of the woodwork whenever something decent is booked. We just arent big fans shitty 7th tier jambands.... like your TT board buds.
Ill pull the age card simply because your acting like a child.
I dont hangout on the terrapin boards anywhere close to the amount of time I spend here. Not sure why you have decided to attack me about this. I was simply telling you how it is. You wanted to know why and who and what and I spelled it out for you.
Simply put again. The Breakfast has a small following. The band and its fans don\'t seem to overlap with the large community that is Terrapin. Terrapin gave them a shot on 2005. Not sure what the band has done since in regards to follow up and going through the motions with the people that book this festival.
And a dozen paying fans doesn\'t mean anything. And how many of them would try to come in with the band and ask to get guest listed ? 12 * 140 = nothing. They are counting hundreds of thousands of dollars on Sunday. 12 people does not a booking make
Dude, listen, enough with the personal attacks. I don\'t want to go there. I apologize of my full body depletion statement offended you, but I PERSONALLY despise the oxymoron that is considered the Dead Family.
And I\'m not attacking you. Last I checked you were the one that responded to my post, not vice versa.
The Breakfast may have a small following, but their talent should be what gets them on the bill. Which would make them the most talented band the bill. Ahhhh, I see now.
People will go to this fest just to get **** up. Maybe the heady Vibe Tribe of 100 will camp out, talk about how sick Scarecrow Collection is and reminisce about the Grapes of Vaudevillian Fantasy, but the MAJORITY of crowd goers will be unruly teenager/college kids experimenting with booze, painkillers and ________________(insert designer psychedelic of choice).
This discussion is pointless seeing as we both want to see the band on the bill and have NO clue what/if any effort was made to achieve this.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: kindm's on May 14, 2007, 06:51:24 pm
Quote from: TreyChica;145283
Quote from: kindm\'s;145282
Family Bands = Grateful Dead Family. I wasn\'t saying Family Friendly.(sorry I forgot you were like ten when Jerry Died)
You guys are basically arguing line ups
The Breakfast was definitely NOT the highlight of the Vibes in 2005. You would know that if you were there.
The bad mouthing of the Vibes isn\'t going to help the breakfast when it comes to Terrapin.
The lineups may or may not attract you as a concert goer. But thats neither here nor there.
The Vibes lineups as well as experience was much Better in 1999 and 2000 in Bridgeport the last time they had them there.
ILCC (Mariaville) has a whole bunch of problems unrelated to Terrapin. If you want to know why The Breakfast got their set cut short and the soundman threatened have a glorious time in Mariaville.
I find it funny that your whining about the band not making the festival lineup and then out and out trashing the festival you wish they were playing. And from your tone even if they did add the Breakfast you wouldn\'t go because the festival is bunk.
No one is saying that the band has to hang out on their board. But guess what, they don\'t have a large following of fans there that talk about going to see Breakfast shows ever. And a huge percentage of the members on that board **** live in CT as well. But they do talk about going to U-melt shows, Ryan Montbleau Band shows etc etc etc etc I think you might get the point
RE: Mountain Jam.
Mountain Jam is not a festival. it is a concert with camping. there were only a handful of vendors, the camping is spread out all over the palce and many many people stay in the local hotels.
I will grant you that the recent additions to the lineup make it interesting. I went to Mountain Jam last year and it sucked. Security was CRAZY (which by the way is why camp bisco has moved to ILCC) the venue is only OK if you like camping on a 35 degree incline. The lineup was OK but again this is subjective. I would much rather be at a Terrapin run event then Mountain Jam. But perhaps they will get their **** together and it will be better this year.
The vibes is the only large festival in the North East. it is what it is and if the lineup doesn\'t do it for you there are a bunch of smaller festivals that the Breakfast have afternoon sets at so go to those.
A. Don\'t pull the age card. Our opinions and tastes differ, but musically I know EXACTLY what I like and WHY I like it. My passion since the age of 4 has been collecting and absorbing as much GOOD music as possible. BTW my first Phish show was in \'95.
B. No, I wasn\'t there in 2005, but I remember people who were telling me The Breakfast was the highlight, and they were pissed about being cut short.
C. It would be asbolutely silly if they cared THAT much about one person\'s opinion. Unless you\'re writing Ken Hayes little sweetnothings about the unheady Vibes of the Breakfast crew, then I doubt they\'ll hear about this.
And you\'re right, I wouldn\'t pay for a Vibes ticket. It\'s not my taste. However I\'m sure there are at least a dozen dedicated Breakfast fans who WOULD go just to support the band. At $140 a pop, that\'s not a bad chunk of change. And dividing CT up into "scenes" is childish. Sure, southern CT doesn\'t get the best acts all the time, but there are still MANY concert goers who come out of the woodwork whenever something decent is booked. We just arent big fans shitty 7th tier jambands.... like your TT board buds.
Ill pull the age card simply because your acting like a child.
I dont hangout on the terrapin boards anywhere close to the amount of time I spend here. Not sure why you have decided to attack me about this. I was simply telling you how it is. You wanted to know why and who and what and I spelled it out for you.
Simply put again. The Breakfast has a small following. The band and its fans don\'t seem to overlap with the large community that is Terrapin. Terrapin gave them a shot on 2005. Not sure what the band has done since in regards to follow up and going through the motions with the people that book this festival.
And a dozen paying fans doesn\'t mean anything. And how many of them would try to come in with the band and ask to get guest listed ? 12 * 140 = nothing. They are counting hundreds of thousands of dollars on Sunday. 12 people does not a booking make
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 14, 2007, 06:43:25 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;145282
Family Bands = Grateful Dead Family. I wasn\'t saying Family Friendly.(sorry I forgot you were like ten when Jerry Died)
You guys are basically arguing line ups
The Breakfast was definitely NOT the highlight of the Vibes in 2005. You would know that if you were there.
The bad mouthing of the Vibes isn\'t going to help the breakfast when it comes to Terrapin.
The lineups may or may not attract you as a concert goer. But thats neither here nor there.
The Vibes lineups as well as experience was much Better in 1999 and 2000 in Bridgeport the last time they had them there.
ILCC (Mariaville) has a whole bunch of problems unrelated to Terrapin. If you want to know why The Breakfast got their set cut short and the soundman threatened have a glorious time in Mariaville.
I find it funny that your whining about the band not making the festival lineup and then out and out trashing the festival you wish they were playing. And from your tone even if they did add the Breakfast you wouldn\'t go because the festival is bunk.
No one is saying that the band has to hang out on their board. But guess what, they don\'t have a large following of fans there that talk about going to see Breakfast shows ever. And a huge percentage of the members on that board **** live in CT as well. But they do talk about going to U-melt shows, Ryan Montbleau Band shows etc etc etc etc I think you might get the point
RE: Mountain Jam.
Mountain Jam is not a festival. it is a concert with camping. there were only a handful of vendors, the camping is spread out all over the palce and many many people stay in the local hotels.
I will grant you that the recent additions to the lineup make it interesting. I went to Mountain Jam last year and it sucked. Security was CRAZY (which by the way is why camp bisco has moved to ILCC) the venue is only OK if you like camping on a 35 degree incline. The lineup was OK but again this is subjective. I would much rather be at a Terrapin run event then Mountain Jam. But perhaps they will get their **** together and it will be better this year.
The vibes is the only large festival in the North East. it is what it is and if the lineup doesn\'t do it for you there are a bunch of smaller festivals that the Breakfast have afternoon sets at so go to those.
A. Don\'t pull the age card. Our opinions and tastes differ, but musically I know EXACTLY what I like and WHY I like it. My passion since the age of 4 has been collecting and absorbing as much GOOD music as possible. BTW my first Phish show was in \'95.
B. No, I wasn\'t there in 2005, but I remember people who were telling me The Breakfast was the highlight, and they were pissed about being cut short.
C. It would be asbolutely silly if they cared THAT much about one person\'s opinion. Unless you\'re writing Ken Hayes little sweetnothings about the unheady Vibes of the Breakfast crew, then I doubt they\'ll hear about this.
And you\'re right, I wouldn\'t pay for a Vibes ticket. It\'s not my taste. However I\'m sure there are at least a dozen dedicated Breakfast fans who WOULD go just to support the band. At $140 a pop, that\'s not a bad chunk of change. And dividing CT up into "scenes" is childish. Sure, southern CT doesn\'t get the best acts all the time, but there are still MANY concert goers who come out of the woodwork whenever something decent is booked. We just arent big fans shitty 7th tier jambands.... like your TT board buds.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: kindm's on May 14, 2007, 06:17:22 pm
Family Bands = Grateful Dead Family. I wasn\'t saying Family Friendly.(sorry I forgot you were like ten when Jerry Died)
You guys are basically arguing line ups
The Breakfast was definitely NOT the highlight of the Vibes in 2005. You would know that if you were there.
The bad mouthing of the Vibes isn\'t going to help the breakfast when it comes to Terrapin.
The lineups may or may not attract you as a concert goer. But thats neither here nor there.
The Vibes lineups as well as experience was much Better in 1999 and 2000 in Bridgeport the last time they had them there.
ILCC (Mariaville) has a whole bunch of problems unrelated to Terrapin. If you want to know why The Breakfast got their set cut short and the soundman threatened have a glorious time in Mariaville.
I find it funny that your whining about the band not making the festival lineup and then out and out trashing the festival you wish they were playing. And from your tone even if they did add the Breakfast you wouldn\'t go because the festival is bunk.
No one is saying that the band has to hang out on their board. But guess what, they don\'t have a large following of fans there that talk about going to see Breakfast shows ever. And a huge percentage of the members on that board **** live in CT as well. But they do talk about going to U-melt shows, Ryan Montbleau Band shows etc etc etc etc I think you might get the point
RE: Mountain Jam.
Mountain Jam is not a festival. it is a concert with camping. there were only a handful of vendors, the camping is spread out all over the palce and many many people stay in the local hotels.
I will grant you that the recent additions to the lineup make it interesting. I went to Mountain Jam last year and it sucked. Security was CRAZY (which by the way is why camp bisco has moved to ILCC) the venue is only OK if you like camping on a 35 degree incline. The lineup was OK but again this is subjective. I would much rather be at a Terrapin run event then Mountain Jam. But perhaps they will get their **** together and it will be better this year.
The vibes is the only large festival in the North East. it is what it is and if the lineup doesn\'t do it for you there are a bunch of smaller festivals that the Breakfast have afternoon sets at so go to those.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 14, 2007, 05:40:24 pm
Quote from: kartoon42;145277
Quote from: kindm\'s;145229
Quote from: TreyChica;145171
Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00). I\'m wondering what the Breakfast did to **** off whatever the **** his name is, Bob Kennedy, or what have you. There is ABSOLUTELY NO RATIONAL REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN\'T BE PLAYING THIS FESTIVAL.
Why would they book a band that will only help to sell a few tickets.
I love this band as much as the next guy but how many festivals do you know that give slots to bands that don\'t help their bottom line.. ?
The breakfast played late night vibes in 2005 at ILCC. One of our very own .infoers is sort of part of their inner circle and has pulled for them every year and that was a huge accomplishment.
Has anyone from the breakfast sent them a demo or press kit ? (somehow I doubt it atleast this year anyway). Just because the Breakfast is from New Haven does not mean the automatically get a slot at a festival in Bridgeport.
How many bands do you think are from Tennessee ? Do you think their fans cry about them not being added to Bonnaroo ?
And what exactly do you mean "Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00)"
I have been to every vibes. I have worked them as well as gone as a regular attendee. they put on the best festival in new England by far and have been doing it every year after year.
are you ser, vibes has gone downhill every year since phil headlined in i beleive 2002. vibes is purely a so so festival , montain jam for one blows the **** out of vibes, not to mention its in crummy bridgeport instead of beautiful mariahville, ny
My friend, you are forgetting the colossus blunder of 2001.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: kartoon42 on May 14, 2007, 04:59:16 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;145229
Quote from: TreyChica;145171
Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00). I\'m wondering what the Breakfast did to **** off whatever the **** his name is, Bob Kennedy, or what have you. There is ABSOLUTELY NO RATIONAL REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN\'T BE PLAYING THIS FESTIVAL.
Why would they book a band that will only help to sell a few tickets.
I love this band as much as the next guy but how many festivals do you know that give slots to bands that don\'t help their bottom line.. ?
The breakfast played late night vibes in 2005 at ILCC. One of our very own .infoers is sort of part of their inner circle and has pulled for them every year and that was a huge accomplishment.
Has anyone from the breakfast sent them a demo or press kit ? (somehow I doubt it atleast this year anyway). Just because the Breakfast is from New Haven does not mean the automatically get a slot at a festival in Bridgeport.
How many bands do you think are from Tennessee ? Do you think their fans cry about them not being added to Bonnaroo ?
And what exactly do you mean "Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00)"
I have been to every vibes. I have worked them as well as gone as a regular attendee. they put on the best festival in new England by far and have been doing it every year after year.
are you ser, vibes has gone downhill every year since phil headlined in i beleive 2002. vibes is purely a so so festival , montain jam for one blows the **** out of vibes, not to mention its in crummy bridgeport instead of beautiful mariahville, ny
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: derickw on May 14, 2007, 04:37:17 pm
:popcorn:
all i want to say is management has been a sore point for this band for a while, myself and a couple others have been trying to do some of the things that have been lacking in the past couple years and what i feel has been the slow but steady decline in interest. GrassRoots and rebuilding a fan base needs to happen. We can barely get people to hand out some fliers and possibly go out of there way for a couple hours to try to get more people to shows. Also sadly i think the band plays to often in areas but not enough in others. People won\'t go out every week or twice a week to see the breakfast or really anyone for that matter so attendance suffers because the excitement isn\'t there. We need to re energize the fanbase and get everybody involved in trying to spread the word. i see Ken every week with handfuls of DVD\'s.... those things should be given out, mailing lists need to be made up, promoters need to be found.
the list of bands is not all that big as far as numbers go so i guess considering the breakfast don\'t really do GD covers anymore i guess i can see why they didn\'t get on the festival list. more reason they should go to the lot or outside somewhere and play some freak\'n music. it\'s back to the days of playing in the Phish lot and people walking by saying to themselves who the hell are these animals. KindM, you can\'t argue the fact that those bands have some sort of affiliation to each other and that Treychicas comment about the politics of festivals doesn\'t come into play...... It happens with all festivals i guess it\'s a part of marketing, i don\'t agree with it because the breakfast doesn\'t strive to emulate anyone and they don\'t sound like anyone so they don\'t ride the coat tails of anyone. each of those bands on that list i feel can be compared to other bands. It sucks that the breakfast can\'t catch a break but these other festivals they ARE playing are pretty damn good to so to say they aren\'t getting any love is a moot point as well. Tons of other bands would love to get a spot in Gotv to, but unfortunately theres only so much room. but if someone from this board is going to the Gathering you should have a couple hundred cd\'s and dvd\'s under your arm and be passing them out to whoever puts a hand out, i personally never give up free music.
**** i\'m done, this has been to long already. bottom line, if people want to see this band succeed then do something about it. if you don\'t know what you can do email me and i\'ll give you some direction.
dw \'WILDPACK\'
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 14, 2007, 04:25:31 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;145261
I am done discussing this with you. You seem to only want to attack Terrapin.
If the festival is as BUNK as you say it is then why does the band even care of they make the bill.
I never said that any of the bands you mentioned sucked at the teet of Terrapin. I was just letting you know that the dynamics are not what you think they are. You asked who chuch is. I gave u a reason they get on the bill. They are actually pretty good. U-melt are the most comparable to The Breakfast on the lineup. similar draw I will give you that
This Festival was started by dead heads for deadheads. You don\'t like it don\'t come. It is as simple as that. Some of us actually like the influence of the Grateful Dead. many long time CUSTOMERS OF TERRAPINS want the family bands there. They also express that that is what they want as opposed to the indie, prog, or mainstream acts. They tried Hip Hop 1 year with Razel and it didnt go over very well with the paying custmers
And Bonnaroo was not what you claim it to be either. It was started with primarily jam bands. It wasn\'t until Superfly took more of a backseat role that you saw the flavor switch from the NOLA influence to LA bands and big time acts.
It is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.
Oh and Berkfest. Where is that Festival now ????? They haven\'t had 1 for a long time and when they did have them they didn\'t have them in consecutive years. So Berkfest a now defunct festival is better. They couldn\'t make money but that makes them better or bad at business so that point is def. MOOT
The festival is bunk, but it\'s still a festival with concert goers, who are needed to make this band live and breathe. Simple business.
Just because the band doesn\'t WASTE their time hanging out at the Terrapin Boards, or kissing the ass of Ken Hayes, doesn\'t mean they should be looked over YEAR after YEAR. Highlight of Camp Creek 01 was PB. Highlight of the one Vibes they played, Breakfast. People LOVE this **** band. Unfortunately they\'ve attracted a lackluster following (outside of the B\'fam), who see the band if it\'s conveinent, but nothing more than that.
As for the Dead and dead related projects being FAMILY FRIENDLY bands. Holy ****, seriously, I didn\'t think it was possible to ****, fart, puke, laugh, cry and sneeze all at once, but your statement proved the impossible possible. Thanks for the lark. I can\'t even respond to that kind of closed mindedness.
The first Bonarroo had a lot of jambands, I\'ll give you that, but they STILL managed to book outside of the box. Ween, Norah Jones, Amon Tobin, Cut Chemist, Z Trip, Drums and Tuba, . Not a lot of artists, but those acts alone were enough to attract a diverse audience. But even the jambands they booked were HUGE acts, instead of a bunch of washed up has beens or amateur "we judge our popularity by the number of myspace friends we have" 6th tier jambands.....
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: booztravlr on May 14, 2007, 03:54:29 pm
i was refering to not having them signed up for gotv 2007 seeing as the lineup isnt finalized yet...
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: davepeck on May 14, 2007, 03:47:19 pm
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: kindm's on May 14, 2007, 03:45:34 pm
Quote from: booztravlr;145266
Quote from: TreyChica;145259
And Berkfest was a million times better than Vibes ANY DAY of the week when it was around.
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i came in here to say this as well. having been to 3 berkfests and also 3 gotv, hands down berkfest was the better one. if only that place didnt turn into a cracktown over the years.
not having the breakfast for gotv (at least not yet) is unfortunate. i am sure they would impress a lot of people, a la 10k lakes, if they were to play it. i wouldnt go anyways because i dont think their lineup has been anything special over the last 3-4 years. plus i remember the traffic getting into bridgeport in 2000 (?) was awful.
Again this is FALSE.
The Breakfast have played GOTV. They played in 2005. late night set. Dave and I both Taped. I passed out Dave made a good recording
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: booztravlr on May 14, 2007, 03:39:30 pm
Quote from: TreyChica;145259
And Berkfest was a million times better than Vibes ANY DAY of the week when it was around.
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i came in here to say this as well. having been to 3 berkfests and also 3 gotv, hands down berkfest was the better one. if only that place didnt turn into a cracktown over the years.
not having the breakfast for gotv (at least not yet) is unfortunate. i am sure they would impress a lot of people, a la 10k lakes, if they were to play it. i wouldnt go anyways because i dont think their lineup has been anything special over the last 3-4 years. plus i remember the traffic getting into bridgeport in 2000 (?) was awful.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: kindm's on May 14, 2007, 03:26:26 pm
Quote from: TreyChica;145259
Quote from: kindm\'s;145254
Quote from: TreyChica;145241
Quote from: kindm\'s;145229
Quote from: TreyChica;145171
Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00). I\'m wondering what the Breakfast did to **** off whatever the **** his name is, Bob Kennedy, or what have you. There is ABSOLUTELY NO RATIONAL REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN\'T BE PLAYING THIS FESTIVAL.
Why would they book a band that will only help to sell a few tickets.
I love this band as much as the next guy but how many festivals do you know that give slots to bands that don\'t help their bottom line.. ?
The breakfast played late night vibes in 2005 at ILCC. One of our very own .infoers is sort of part of their inner circle and has pulled for them every year and that was a huge accomplishment.
Has anyone from the breakfast sent them a demo or press kit ? (somehow I doubt it atleast this year anyway). Just because the Breakfast is from New Haven does not mean the automatically get a slot at a festival in Bridgeport.
How many bands do you think are from Tennessee ? Do you think their fans cry about them not being added to Bonnaroo ?
And what exactly do you mean "Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00)"
I have been to every vibes. I have worked them as well as gone as a regular attendee. they put on the best festival in new England by far and have been doing it every year after year.
Your first sentence about booking a band that would only sell a few tickets is moot. Bands like U-Melt, Chuch (who the **** are they?), and the Ryan Montibleau band (though he\'s growing) draw around the same numbers as The Breakfast. Comparing Vibes to Bonnaroo is laughable. Bonnaroo has grown to be one of America\'s PREMIERE music festivals, focusing on major label acts in a similar veign as Woodstock 94, 99 etc. Terrapin Tapes has always been local, booking New England and New York area jambands. I agree with you that Phil or someone from Crescendo should\'ve sent a press package. Who knows if they did or not, that\'s really besides the point. I look at this situation in quality terms. You have the big name acts which will draw the tickets. This allows you some freedom to give lesser known acts a chance. To put it lightly, The Breakfast takes acts like Strangefolk, U-Melt, John\'s Brown Body, Martin Sexton, Railroad Earth, strips them of their souls, covers them with gas, lights them on fire, puts their ashes into a nice little urn and delivers them to the parents of the departed with a **** eating grin.... musically speaking of course.
Let\'s face it. In the end, yes the band sucks the nut at business and sabotages any chances of success on a weekly basis. However, musically they scare the **** out of people. Naysayers who label them a 4th tier jamband obviously don\'t care about music. But the musicians in these bands that scoff at the Breakfast, KNOW, that if they ever had to share a bill they would be unmasked as the musical frauds they are.
God I hope this band grows....
You need a serious reality check.
1st. U-melt. They are and have been loyal Terrapin folks for a longtime. Many if not a lot of their message board members (which by the way dwarfs this message board) are U-Melt fans. Terrapin usually throws a bone or 2 to the "Boardie Bands" Last year Scarecrow Collection got a slot.
2nd. Chuch. The manager of Chuch is a LONG TIME TERRAPIN EMPLOYEE. and many of the members are extneded family of those that work for Terrapin.
3rd. Ryan Montbleau Band has been selling out the Paradise in Boston regularly. When was the last time the Breakfast did anything remotely close to that. So you assertion that The amount of draw the Breakfast have vs. RMB is silly. And again RMB has a HUGE following on the terrapin board as well.
4th. Your idea that terrapin has been booking New England Acts is just plain false. They book Grateful Dead family bands first and foremost and then fill the rest of the line up. Ratdog, Phil and Friends, Mickey hart, Rythm Devils, New Riders, DSO, Donna Jean & Zen Tricksters.
Comparing the Vibes to Bonnaroo isn\'t laughable at all actually. Bonnaroo is much larger sure but name 1 festival in the North east bigger than Gathering Of the Vibes ? And I was comparing the idea that a festival should fell obligated to promote small bar bands above the importance of their bottom line.
I might agree that the Breakfast are better than some of the bands you mention but Martin Sexton kicks serious ass and that has nothing to do with it.
Calling out Terrapin because your band didn\'t make the cut is juvenile at best. Especially if no one from the Breakfast made any attempts to get added other than starting a thread on a message board whining about them not being on the bill. Perhaps all of the bands you said are afraid of the Breakfast put forth some effort to getting on the bill. You know like actually picking up the phone and calling them, following through on sending the required information, maybe even massaging some egos, you know the things that managers do etc etc.
1. So the band has to suck the tit of TT. 2. So the band has to employ someone through TT. 3. I already stated Ryan Montibelu\'s growth, but he still isn\'t more than a Northeast act.
Those two reasons sound like TT is catering to THEIR family instead of a wider music market. And to me that sounds like politics.
4. The Dead is dead. It\'s just pathetic really, holding onto a lost dream like this. But that\'s why they started this festival in the first place. Damn shame they haven\'t adapted with the times.
And yes I still feel comparing Bonarroo to Vibes is HIGHlarious. Top name indie, electronic, post rock, jamband, bluegrass, hip hop and a few jazz acts compared to a bunch of god awful Dead projects and bands that have dead weight since Trey decided Phish would be cooler on heroin ;)
Yes, the Vibes threw in a few big names ie Los Lobos, Claypool etc.. But lets face it. If you aren\'t a Deadhead, or jamband kid this festival is B-U-N-K
And Berkfest was a million times better than Vibes ANY DAY of the week when it was around.
I agree with you on the lack of effort put forth by the Breakfast management to get on this bill. No argument there :)
I really wish I had a business background. And also that I didn\'t burn my bridges with this band because I would LOVE to work my ass off to get them to where they need to be...
I am done discussing this with you. You seem to only want to attack Terrapin.
If the festival is as BUNK as you say it is then why does the band even care of they make the bill.
I never said that any of the bands you mentioned sucked at the teet of Terrapin. I was just letting you know that the dynamics are not what you think they are. You asked who chuch is. I gave u a reason they get on the bill. They are actually pretty good. U-melt are the most comparable to The Breakfast on the lineup. similar draw I will give you that
This Festival was started by dead heads for deadheads. You don\'t like it don\'t come. It is as simple as that. Some of us actually like the influence of the Grateful Dead. many long time CUSTOMERS OF TERRAPINS want the family bands there. They also express that that is what they want as opposed to the indie, prog, or mainstream acts. They tried Hip Hop 1 year with Razel and it didnt go over very well with the paying custmers
And Bonnaroo was not what you claim it to be either. It was started with primarily jam bands. It wasn\'t until Superfly took more of a backseat role that you saw the flavor switch from the NOLA influence to LA bands and big time acts.
It is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.
Oh and Berkfest. Where is that Festival now ????? They haven\'t had 1 for a long time and when they did have them they didn\'t have them in consecutive years. So Berkfest a now defunct festival is better. They couldn\'t make money but that makes them better or bad at business so that point is def. MOOT
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 14, 2007, 03:04:27 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;145254
Quote from: TreyChica;145241
Quote from: kindm\'s;145229
Quote from: TreyChica;145171
Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00). I\'m wondering what the Breakfast did to **** off whatever the **** his name is, Bob Kennedy, or what have you. There is ABSOLUTELY NO RATIONAL REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN\'T BE PLAYING THIS FESTIVAL.
Why would they book a band that will only help to sell a few tickets.
I love this band as much as the next guy but how many festivals do you know that give slots to bands that don\'t help their bottom line.. ?
The breakfast played late night vibes in 2005 at ILCC. One of our very own .infoers is sort of part of their inner circle and has pulled for them every year and that was a huge accomplishment.
Has anyone from the breakfast sent them a demo or press kit ? (somehow I doubt it atleast this year anyway). Just because the Breakfast is from New Haven does not mean the automatically get a slot at a festival in Bridgeport.
How many bands do you think are from Tennessee ? Do you think their fans cry about them not being added to Bonnaroo ?
And what exactly do you mean "Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00)"
I have been to every vibes. I have worked them as well as gone as a regular attendee. they put on the best festival in new England by far and have been doing it every year after year.
Your first sentence about booking a band that would only sell a few tickets is moot. Bands like U-Melt, Chuch (who the **** are they?), and the Ryan Montibleau band (though he\'s growing) draw around the same numbers as The Breakfast. Comparing Vibes to Bonnaroo is laughable. Bonnaroo has grown to be one of America\'s PREMIERE music festivals, focusing on major label acts in a similar veign as Woodstock 94, 99 etc. Terrapin Tapes has always been local, booking New England and New York area jambands. I agree with you that Phil or someone from Crescendo should\'ve sent a press package. Who knows if they did or not, that\'s really besides the point. I look at this situation in quality terms. You have the big name acts which will draw the tickets. This allows you some freedom to give lesser known acts a chance. To put it lightly, The Breakfast takes acts like Strangefolk, U-Melt, John\'s Brown Body, Martin Sexton, Railroad Earth, strips them of their souls, covers them with gas, lights them on fire, puts their ashes into a nice little urn and delivers them to the parents of the departed with a **** eating grin.... musically speaking of course.
Let\'s face it. In the end, yes the band sucks the nut at business and sabotages any chances of success on a weekly basis. However, musically they scare the **** out of people. Naysayers who label them a 4th tier jamband obviously don\'t care about music. But the musicians in these bands that scoff at the Breakfast, KNOW, that if they ever had to share a bill they would be unmasked as the musical frauds they are.
God I hope this band grows....
You need a serious reality check.
1st. U-melt. They are and have been loyal Terrapin folks for a longtime. Many if not a lot of their message board members (which by the way dwarfs this message board) are U-Melt fans. Terrapin usually throws a bone or 2 to the "Boardie Bands" Last year Scarecrow Collection got a slot.
2nd. Chuch. The manager of Chuch is a LONG TIME TERRAPIN EMPLOYEE. and many of the members are extneded family of those that work for Terrapin.
3rd. Ryan Montbleau Band has been selling out the Paradise in Boston regularly. When was the last time the Breakfast did anything remotely close to that. So you assertion that The amount of draw the Breakfast have vs. RMB is silly. And again RMB has a HUGE following on the terrapin board as well.
4th. Your idea that terrapin has been booking New England Acts is just plain false. They book Grateful Dead family bands first and foremost and then fill the rest of the line up. Ratdog, Phil and Friends, Mickey hart, Rythm Devils, New Riders, DSO, Donna Jean & Zen Tricksters.
Comparing the Vibes to Bonnaroo isn\'t laughable at all actually. Bonnaroo is much larger sure but name 1 festival in the North east bigger than Gathering Of the Vibes ? And I was comparing the idea that a festival should fell obligated to promote small bar bands above the importance of their bottom line.
I might agree that the Breakfast are better than some of the bands you mention but Martin Sexton kicks serious ass and that has nothing to do with it.
Calling out Terrapin because your band didn\'t make the cut is juvenile at best. Especially if no one from the Breakfast made any attempts to get added other than starting a thread on a message board whining about them not being on the bill. Perhaps all of the bands you said are afraid of the Breakfast put forth some effort to getting on the bill. You know like actually picking up the phone and calling them, following through on sending the required information, maybe even massaging some egos, you know the things that managers do etc etc.
1. So the band has to suck the tit of TT. 2. So the band has to employ someone through TT. 3. I already stated Ryan Montibelu\'s growth, but he still isn\'t more than a Northeast act.
Those two reasons sound like TT is catering to THEIR family instead of a wider music market. And to me that sounds like politics.
4. The Dead is dead. It\'s just pathetic really, holding onto a lost dream like this. But that\'s why they started this festival in the first place. Damn shame they haven\'t adapted with the times.
And yes I still feel comparing Bonarroo to Vibes is HIGHlarious. Top name indie, electronic, post rock, jamband, bluegrass, hip hop and a few jazz acts compared to a bunch of god awful Dead projects and bands that have dead weight since Trey decided Phish would be cooler on heroin ;)
Yes, the Vibes threw in a few big names ie Los Lobos, Claypool etc.. But lets face it. If you aren\'t a Deadhead, or jamband kid this festival is B-U-N-K
And Berkfest was a million times better than Vibes ANY DAY of the week when it was around.
I agree with you on the lack of effort put forth by the Breakfast management to get on this bill. No argument there :)
I really wish I had a business background. And also that I didn\'t burn my bridges with this band because I would LOVE to work my ass off to get them to where they need to be...
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: kindm's on May 14, 2007, 02:42:37 pm
Quote from: TreyChica;145241
Quote from: kindm\'s;145229
Quote from: TreyChica;145171
Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00). I\'m wondering what the Breakfast did to **** off whatever the **** his name is, Bob Kennedy, or what have you. There is ABSOLUTELY NO RATIONAL REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN\'T BE PLAYING THIS FESTIVAL.
Why would they book a band that will only help to sell a few tickets.
I love this band as much as the next guy but how many festivals do you know that give slots to bands that don\'t help their bottom line.. ?
The breakfast played late night vibes in 2005 at ILCC. One of our very own .infoers is sort of part of their inner circle and has pulled for them every year and that was a huge accomplishment.
Has anyone from the breakfast sent them a demo or press kit ? (somehow I doubt it atleast this year anyway). Just because the Breakfast is from New Haven does not mean the automatically get a slot at a festival in Bridgeport.
How many bands do you think are from Tennessee ? Do you think their fans cry about them not being added to Bonnaroo ?
And what exactly do you mean "Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00)"
I have been to every vibes. I have worked them as well as gone as a regular attendee. they put on the best festival in new England by far and have been doing it every year after year.
Your first sentence about booking a band that would only sell a few tickets is moot. Bands like U-Melt, Chuch (who the **** are they?), and the Ryan Montibleau band (though he\'s growing) draw around the same numbers as The Breakfast. Comparing Vibes to Bonnaroo is laughable. Bonnaroo has grown to be one of America\'s PREMIERE music festivals, focusing on major label acts in a similar veign as Woodstock 94, 99 etc. Terrapin Tapes has always been local, booking New England and New York area jambands. I agree with you that Phil or someone from Crescendo should\'ve sent a press package. Who knows if they did or not, that\'s really besides the point. I look at this situation in quality terms. You have the big name acts which will draw the tickets. This allows you some freedom to give lesser known acts a chance. To put it lightly, The Breakfast takes acts like Strangefolk, U-Melt, John\'s Brown Body, Martin Sexton, Railroad Earth, strips them of their souls, covers them with gas, lights them on fire, puts their ashes into a nice little urn and delivers them to the parents of the departed with a **** eating grin.... musically speaking of course.
Let\'s face it. In the end, yes the band sucks the nut at business and sabotages any chances of success on a weekly basis. However, musically they scare the **** out of people. Naysayers who label them a 4th tier jamband obviously don\'t care about music. But the musicians in these bands that scoff at the Breakfast, KNOW, that if they ever had to share a bill they would be unmasked as the musical frauds they are.
God I hope this band grows....
You need a serious reality check.
1st. U-melt. They are and have been loyal Terrapin folks for a longtime. Many if not a lot of their message board members (which by the way dwarfs this message board) are U-Melt fans. Terrapin usually throws a bone or 2 to the "Boardie Bands" Last year Scarecrow Collection got a slot.
2nd. Chuch. The manager of Chuch is a LONG TIME TERRAPIN EMPLOYEE. and many of the members are extneded family of those that work for Terrapin.
3rd. Ryan Montbleau Band has been selling out the Paradise in Boston regularly. When was the last time the Breakfast did anything remotely close to that. So you assertion that The amount of draw the Breakfast have vs. RMB is silly. And again RMB has a HUGE following on the terrapin board as well.
4th. Your idea that terrapin has been booking New England Acts is just plain false. They book Grateful Dead family bands first and foremost and then fill the rest of the line up. Ratdog, Phil and Friends, Mickey hart, Rythm Devils, New Riders, DSO, Donna Jean & Zen Tricksters.
Comparing the Vibes to Bonnaroo isn\'t laughable at all actually. Bonnaroo is much larger sure but name 1 festival in the North east bigger than Gathering Of the Vibes ? And I was comparing the idea that a festival should fell obligated to promote small bar bands above the importance of their bottom line.
I might agree that the Breakfast are better than some of the bands you mention but Martin Sexton kicks serious ass and that has nothing to do with it.
Calling out Terrapin because your band didn\'t make the cut is juvenile at best. Especially if no one from the Breakfast made any attempts to get added other than starting a thread on a message board whining about them not being on the bill. Perhaps all of the bands you said are afraid of the Breakfast put forth some effort to getting on the bill. You know like actually picking up the phone and calling them, following through on sending the required information, maybe even massaging some egos, you know the things that managers do etc etc.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: leith on May 14, 2007, 01:48:21 pm
Quote from: Stephengencs;145242
Quote from: TreyChica;145241
However, musically they scare the **** out of people. Naysayers who label them a 4th tier jamband obviously don\'t care about music. But the musicians in these bands that scoff at the Breakfast, KNOW, that if they ever had to share a bill they would be unmasked as the musical frauds they are.
God I hope this band grows....
you couldn\'t be more correct with that statement......Nobody wants to share a stage with this band because to be blown off it by a band that nobody really knows is embarassing....
regarding the vibes, I have 4 words: **** that **** festival
I hope these are just knee kerk reactions and not a sign that we are back to the whole "bands are afraid of the Breakfast" thinking. Come On. That is simple thinking and not conducive to helping the band and derogatory to any band that does share a bill w/ The Breakfast.
I think you all should chill out until the line-up is finalized. The Breakfast are a local act in that they are from CT. but really I have run into numerous people from CT. over the past 4 years of being a Breakfast fan and alot of them have no idea who The Breakfast are and these are folk I meet at Jamband shows or something musically related.
The Breakfast are currently a band that gets added to a fest after the initail line-up is announced for the most part. This is due to the amount of draw they have and not due to their musicianship as pretty much anytime they are mentioned by musicians Praise is all that follows.
One thing some of you forget is that alot of people would kill to play w/ musicians the caliber of The Breakfast and fests are the perfect place for that type of thing to happen so it follows that other bands would like to share a stage w/ the guys.
Anyway I hope they get a chance to strut their stuff in the Homestate at from what I have heard is a pretty tight festie.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Stephengencs on May 14, 2007, 01:31:18 pm
Quote from: TreyChica;145241
However, musically they scare the **** out of people. Naysayers who label them a 4th tier jamband obviously don\'t care about music. But the musicians in these bands that scoff at the Breakfast, KNOW, that if they ever had to share a bill they would be unmasked as the musical frauds they are.
God I hope this band grows....
you couldn\'t be more correct with that statement......Nobody wants to share a stage with this band because to be blown off it by a band that nobody really knows is embarassing....
regarding the vibes, I have 4 words: **** that **** festival
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 14, 2007, 01:26:46 pm
Quote from: kindm\'s;145229
Quote from: TreyChica;145171
Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00). I\'m wondering what the Breakfast did to **** off whatever the **** his name is, Bob Kennedy, or what have you. There is ABSOLUTELY NO RATIONAL REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN\'T BE PLAYING THIS FESTIVAL.
Why would they book a band that will only help to sell a few tickets.
I love this band as much as the next guy but how many festivals do you know that give slots to bands that don\'t help their bottom line.. ?
The breakfast played late night vibes in 2005 at ILCC. One of our very own .infoers is sort of part of their inner circle and has pulled for them every year and that was a huge accomplishment.
Has anyone from the breakfast sent them a demo or press kit ? (somehow I doubt it atleast this year anyway). Just because the Breakfast is from New Haven does not mean the automatically get a slot at a festival in Bridgeport.
How many bands do you think are from Tennessee ? Do you think their fans cry about them not being added to Bonnaroo ?
And what exactly do you mean "Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00)"
I have been to every vibes. I have worked them as well as gone as a regular attendee. they put on the best festival in new England by far and have been doing it every year after year.
Your first sentence about booking a band that would only sell a few tickets is moot. Bands like U-Melt, Chuch (who the **** are they?), and the Ryan Montibleau band (though he\'s growing) draw around the same numbers as The Breakfast. Comparing Vibes to Bonnaroo is laughable. Bonnaroo has grown to be one of America\'s PREMIERE music festivals, focusing on major label acts in a similar veign as Woodstock 94, 99 etc. Terrapin Tapes has always been local, booking New England and New York area jambands. I agree with you that Phil or someone from Crescendo should\'ve sent a press package. Who knows if they did or not, that\'s really besides the point. I look at this situation in quality terms. You have the big name acts which will draw the tickets. This allows you some freedom to give lesser known acts a chance. To put it lightly, The Breakfast takes acts like Strangefolk, U-Melt, John\'s Brown Body, Martin Sexton, Railroad Earth, strips them of their souls, covers them with gas, lights them on fire, puts their ashes into a nice little urn and delivers them to the parents of the departed with a **** eating grin.... musically speaking of course.
Let\'s face it. In the end, yes the band sucks the nut at business and sabotages any chances of success on a weekly basis. However, musically they scare the **** out of people. Naysayers who label them a 4th tier jamband obviously don\'t care about music. But the musicians in these bands that scoff at the Breakfast, KNOW, that if they ever had to share a bill they would be unmasked as the musical frauds they are.
God I hope this band grows....
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: kindm's on May 14, 2007, 11:41:41 am
Quote from: TreyChica;145171
Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00). I\'m wondering what the Breakfast did to **** off whatever the **** his name is, Bob Kennedy, or what have you. There is ABSOLUTELY NO RATIONAL REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN\'T BE PLAYING THIS FESTIVAL.
Why would they book a band that will only help to sell a few tickets.
I love this band as much as the next guy but how many festivals do you know that give slots to bands that don\'t help their bottom line.. ?
The breakfast played late night vibes in 2005 at ILCC. One of our very own .infoers is sort of part of their inner circle and has pulled for them every year and that was a huge accomplishment.
Has anyone from the breakfast sent them a demo or press kit ? (somehow I doubt it atleast this year anyway). Just because the Breakfast is from New Haven does not mean the automatically get a slot at a festival in Bridgeport.
How many bands do you think are from Tennessee ? Do you think their fans cry about them not being added to Bonnaroo ?
And what exactly do you mean "Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00)"
I have been to every vibes. I have worked them as well as gone as a regular attendee. they put on the best festival in new England by far and have been doing it every year after year.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: skalnbyc on May 13, 2007, 02:37:53 pm
How can they not play in Breakfast/Timmy Tour country?
I hope someone at least tried to get them into the festivals.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Overexjoesure on May 13, 2007, 01:37:32 pm
Terrapin tapes has always been about personal politics instead of putting on a decent Northeast festival (sans the early Vibes 98-00). I\'m wondering what the Breakfast did to **** off whatever the **** his name is, Bob Kennedy, or what have you. There is ABSOLUTELY NO RATIONAL REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN\'T BE PLAYING THIS FESTIVAL.
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: FreeSpirit on May 13, 2007, 01:34:09 pm
There are currently a few threads about the Breakfast on the GOTV board... here are some links:
The Breakfast isn\'t playing vibes. is that odd? (http://www.gatheringofthevibes.com/bored/YaBB.pl?num=1178732375)
The Breakfast (http://www.gatheringofthevibes.com/bored/YaBB.pl?num=1169507733)
Upcoming tourdates for the Breakfast (http://www.gatheringofthevibes.com/bored/YaBB.pl?num=1174364500)
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: jking on May 13, 2007, 11:32:17 am
Quote from: sequia;145168
message to crescendo:FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE HELP GET THIS BAND GET ON MORE BIG FESTIVALS!
AMEN!! whatever it takes, they should be spending all spring, summer and falls playing as many fests as is humanly possible, with club/bar gigs scheduled during the week to get them from one fest to the next!!
Title: G.o.t.v.?
Post by: Branch on May 13, 2007, 11:26:33 am
There is some chatter on the gotv message board regarding T.B not playing the vibes. I encourage all to get involved in this discussion because frankly, not having them on the bill just does not make any sense to me what so ever! Could someone please post a link for me. theirs two threads. message to crescendo:FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE HELP GET THIS BAND GET ON MORE BIG FESTIVALS!