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General Discussions => Tribal Funk Affliction => Topic started by: jking on March 08, 2007, 02:34:14 pm
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You dont give zeppelin enough credit. The wrote rock music using times and structure like no one else. And no one created the bravado and electric sex they sold.
They are rock and roll Period. They lived it promoted it and kicked its ass.
You put on a live recording and they will tear your heart from your chest. Only 3 bands i have ever experienced do that to me.
Trampled under foot. End of story
In My Time of Dying. Are You SER ?
innovators in the studio. They certainly borrowed heavily from others but they made it their own. You hear them and know their sound.
Thank You.
You also reminded me about a certain manager. If The Breakfast had a manager like Peter Grant.......
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but hell, you like tlg and all they do is steal trey\'s old tone and play r&b tunes with it. you\'re not gonna try to tell me that they\'re innovators too, are you?
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Another textbook!!!
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You dont give zeppelin enough credit. The wrote rock music using times and structure like no one else. And no one created the bravado and electric sex they sold.
They are rock and roll Period. They lived it promoted it and kicked its ass.
You put on a live recording and they will tear your heart from your chest. Only 3 bands i have ever experienced do that to me.
Trampled under foot. End of story
In My Time of Dying. Are You SER ?
innovators in the studio. They certainly borrowed heavily from others but they made it their own. You hear them and know their sound.
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There ya go.
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The only reason I even noticed was because it seemed so different from your usual writing style.
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Well it\'s still plagiarism! I\'m reporting you to the principal!
:lol: Yeah OK I didn\'t realize .info had a cite source policy.
I have used the quote in other debates about Zep so had it handy is all. The way it was written grates on me so I omitted some of the drivel.
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Well it\'s still plagiarism! I\'m reporting you to the principal!
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yes, and herc, grandmaster flash et al are the second generation of rappers. and again, zepp did nothing that hadn\'t been done before. wild crazy loud expeimental blues rock guitar? hendrix. or do you want to go back to buddy guy or howlin wolf? hell, in his day, charlie christian was seen as a loud wild man... acoustic music during the 70\'s being played in an arena by a rock band? heart. yes, they came up with some good tunes, but to credit them as extending the genre of blues rock is silly. yes, they are very good. yes, i still love them, but hell, you like tlg and all they do is steal trey\'s old tone and play r&b tunes with it. you\'re not gonna try to tell me that they\'re innovators too, are you?
hendrix and beck did more to evolve the blues than page. what he did was introduce older music to newer fans. like clapton, brilliant guitarist - not an innovator.
Well as i said before you are wrong and it\'s not worth the time.
Though I am interested in who you consider the 1st generation of rappers/Dj\'s if not who I posted.
Heart has said they wanted to be Zep so duh!! and Yes was Prog/Art rock @ the time and not in the same genre of Hard Rock Zep was. So those examples are null and void.
Oh and not to mention that anytime the evolution of Heavy Metal as a genre comes up Zep and Sabbath are the ones credited most of the time. If helping in the creation of a new genre of Rock is not influential I am lost.
Man here ya got me. It is too ez to pick apart your argument as it is so false.
I\'m done
You = Brick Wall and I\'m tired of banging my head.
Oh and as for your TLG comment no I do not consider them innovators in anyway. Not all bands have to be.
TLG is just fine as a kick ass rock band that is helping to carry the torch of the San Francisco sound that spawned a musical/cultural movement.
Oh and obviously you have not listened to TLG in awhile as Josh has developed his own tone/sound and bustin\' out the Trey vibe is now a treat, not just all he can do.
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yes, and herc, grandmaster flash et al are the second generation of rappers. and again, zepp did nothing that hadn\'t been done before. wild crazy loud expeimental blues rock guitar? hendrix. or do you want to go back to buddy guy or howlin wolf? hell, in his day, charlie christian was seen as a loud wild man... acoustic music during the 70\'s being played in an arena by a rock band? heart. yes, they came up with some good tunes, but to credit them as extending the genre of blues rock is silly. yes, they are very good. yes, i still love them, but hell, you like tlg and all they do is steal trey\'s old tone and play r&b tunes with it. you\'re not gonna try to tell me that they\'re innovators too, are you?
hendrix and beck did more to evolve the blues than page. what he did was introduce older music to newer fans. like clapton, brilliant guitarist - not an innovator.
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Dude, I think he was asking for your opinion, not the opinion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Meanwhile, the Led Zeppelin legend endures and grows long after their demise, much like that of the Doors and Elvis Presley. The lingering appeal of Led Zeppelin is perhaps best summed up by guitarist Page: “Passion is the word....It was a very passionate band, and that’s really what comes through.” At the dawn of the new millennium, Led Zeppelin placed second only to the Beatles in terms of record sales, having sold 84 million units. Led Zeppelin IV is the fourth best-selling album in history, having sold more than 22 million copies, and four other albums by the band – Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin II, Houses of the Holy and Led Zeppelin - also rank among the all-time top 100 best-sellers. Fittingly, Led Zeppelin is tied with the Beatles (five apiece) for the most albums on that esteemed list – a mark of both bands’ impact. In their ceaseless determination to move music forward, Led Zeppelin carved out an indelible place in rock history.
http://www.rockhall.com/inductee/led-zeppelin
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Yeah that is why I further solidified my point w/ the not only did they sell albums etc.
So nice try babe.
ut they didn\'t change anything in rock. blues based rock groups were around before and after zeppelin. they made fans, but they didn\'t influence the music. with or without them, blues based would have been the same. an arguement could even be made that perhaps without them, blues rock could have evolved into something new, as opposed to their stealing old time songs and calling them their own new songs.
now, don\'t get me wrong, i LOVE zepp and hold them in the highest of regards. however, they did nothing revolutionary nor did they cause a revolution within blues-based rock. however, by providing that household-known drum beat of when the levee breaks, inner city kids heard it and started rappnig over it. from that sprang an entirely new, theretofore unheard of genre. that\'s influencial.
You are so wrong it is not really worth continuing the debate. If you think they did nothing new you have not listened to much LIVE Zep. and/or do not hold them in the high regard you think you do. They did not just play Blues based R&R. They did not just play stolen songs. Yes their reportroie has a bunch of recycled music but a majority of it is rather new and invigorating. That is why they remain popular. It is still so different than anything else.
They also played acoustically in a forum where it was blasphemy. Much like Dylan going electric @ a folkie fest. If that\'s not influential I do not know the meaning of the word.
Oh and Herc, Grandmaster Melle Mel , Flash and many others have gone on record saying that many of the beats that formed early hip hop came from places like Black R&B ie. James Brown and from Jamacian music(reggae and variations of).
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they performed more influencial tunes than they wrote, but don\'t forget that while bands may be re-creating their sound, all they were doing was re-creating the sounds that had come before them. they did nothing that hadn\'t been done by someone before them. they are/were certainly popular and deserve every bit of that popularity, but really nothing they did spawned anything new. except for the drumbeats/rap thing. was\'t intentional by any means, but that\'s what happened. :)
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Dude, I think he was asking for your opinion, not the opinion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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Oh Snap! Exposed!
i can see what your sayin jking, but in my opinion, they wrote & performed some really influencial rock tunes. Bands have been recreating the zep sound ever since.
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ut they didn\'t change anything in rock. blues based rock groups were around before and after zeppelin. they made fans, but they didn\'t influence the music. with or without them, blues based would have been the same. an arguement could even be made that perhaps without them, blues rock could have evolved into something new, as opposed to their stealing old time songs and calling them their own new songs.
now, don\'t get me wrong, i LOVE zepp and hold them in the highest of regards. however, they did nothing revolutionary nor did they cause a revolution within blues-based rock. however, by providing that household-known drum beat of when the levee breaks, inner city kids heard it and started rappnig over it. from that sprang an entirely new, theretofore unheard of genre. that\'s influencial.
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Well I believe their lasting contribution is influencing musicians in whatever genre much like another British group I am enamored with.
Led Zeppelin places second only to the Beatles in terms of record sales, having sold 84 million units. Led Zeppelin IV is the fourth best-selling album in history, having sold more than 22 million copies, and four other albums by the band – Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin II, Houses of the Holy and Led Zeppelin - also rank among the all-time top 100 best-sellers.
Led Zeppelin is tied with the Beatles (five apiece) for the most albums on this list – a mark of both bands’ impact.
Led Zeppelin not only sold many albums but they advanced the stage show tenfold while they were around.
They were versatile in their arrangements of songs and made a point of improvising on stage which was a departure for "hard rock" acts of the day.
They intertwined non Western music into Rock like The Beatles and Plant\'s vocal stylings can be found in many a lead singer to this day.
The fact that people that were not even born or just born when Zep played their last show consistently rank them as the best rock band in many polls shows their influence as well.
I could go on and I do not contest that they influenced some DJ\'s in Rap in some way but find it ludicrous to believe they are more influential in Rap than in Rock.
Dude, I think he was asking for your opinion, not the opinion of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Meanwhile, the Led Zeppelin legend endures and grows long after their demise, much like that of the Doors and Elvis Presley. The lingering appeal of Led Zeppelin is perhaps best summed up by guitarist Page: “Passion is the word....It was a very passionate band, and that’s really what comes through.” At the dawn of the new millennium, Led Zeppelin placed second only to the Beatles in terms of record sales, having sold 84 million units. Led Zeppelin IV is the fourth best-selling album in history, having sold more than 22 million copies, and four other albums by the band – Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin II, Houses of the Holy and Led Zeppelin - also rank among the all-time top 100 best-sellers. Fittingly, Led Zeppelin is tied with the Beatles (five apiece) for the most albums on that esteemed list – a mark of both bands’ impact. In their ceaseless determination to move music forward, Led Zeppelin carved out an indelible place in rock history.
http://www.rockhall.com/inductee/led-zeppelin
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I could go on and I do not contest that they influenced some DJ\'s in Rap in some way but find it ludicrous to believe they are more influential in Rap than in Rock.
Agreed.
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just out of curiosity, Leith, what do you think is Zepplin\'s lasting contribution to music.
I am indifferent on them but this seems to be a good afternoon topic.
Well I believe their lasting contribution is influencing musicians in whatever genre much like another British group I am enamored with.
Led Zeppelin places second only to the Beatles in terms of record sales, having sold 84 million units. Led Zeppelin IV is the fourth best-selling album in history, having sold more than 22 million copies, and four other albums by the band ? Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin II, Houses of the Holy and Led Zeppelin - also rank among the all-time top 100 best-sellers.
Led Zeppelin is tied with the Beatles (five apiece) for the most albums on this list ? a mark of both bands? impact.
Led Zeppelin not only sold many albums but they advanced the stage show tenfold while they were around.
They were versatile in their arrangements of songs and made a point of improvising on stage which was a departure for "hard rock" acts of the day.
They intertwined non Western music into Rock like The Beatles and Plant\'s vocal stylings can be found in many a lead singer to this day.
The fact that people that were not even born or just born when Zep played their last show consistently rank them as the best rock band in many polls shows their influence as well.
I could go on and I do not contest that they influenced some DJ\'s in Rap in some way but find it ludicrous to believe they are more influential in Rap than in Rock.
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just out of curiosity, Leith, what do you think is Zepplin\'s lasting contribution to music.
I am indifferent on them but this seems to be a good afternoon topic.
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Can I get the last 5 minutes of my life back?
Please?
No.
wtf~ they eventually used those artists, but like i said, zeppelin\'s most lasting contribution to music is its contribution to rap, not rock.
No it really isn\'t.
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wtf~ they eventually used those artists, but like i said, zeppelin\'s most lasting contribution to music is its contribution to rap, not rock.
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Can I get the last 5 minutes of my life back?
Please?
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while many rap artists have sampled led zeppelin drum breaks, it is ludicrous to say that the fore fathers of rap depended on them. Afrika bambaataa may have sampled bonzo, i\'m not sure though, but they, along with almost all other artists of the time, relied on soul and jazz artists to make the majority of their beats. Artists they sampled such as james brown, lynn collins, parliament, mannu dibango, george benson, gwen mcrae and so on. the most common drum breaks ever used are def James Brown\'s Funky Drummer and Funky President. so i would say that
without james brown there would probably not be rap as we know it today! and that\'s a fact!
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Pretty sure mom and pop Zurflueh were not getting down to Roger.
Well, my parents actually listened to much of the same music as your mom.
Additionally, I\'d like to think that one can also discover lots of music on his/her own. Parents only get partial credit in my case.
Anyways, back to the state of rock music and the secret vault.
That\'s why I asked you what a poser Wham loving punk like you knew about Zapp.
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Pretty sure you do not know the extent of my music collection. I could have sworn we listened to Zapp in my car last year.
Seriously, get back to the kitchen, I think your latest batch of brownies is burning. :drool:
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Does my being a wee lad during Zapp\'s heyday preclude me from being fan of their music? That is as preposterous as me responding with, "Leith, what do you know about 60\'s Dead".
Hey Peter Pan, go back to the arcade. :sonic:
No it is not. I would know about 60\'s Dead because I was raised by a hippie mom.
That\'s why I asked you what a poser Wham loving punk like you knew about Zapp.
Pretty sure mom and pop Zurflueh were not getting down to Roger.
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no shenangians at all! gotta go back to afrikka bammabaata and before, but its total true! my best friend\'s dad was a musicology professor at american university and he laid it our for me, old records and all!
Fair enough. learn something new everyday!
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If any of these people would give The Breakfast a listen, they would quickly realize that rock and roll is far from lacking balls
Seriously!
Aside from the Breakfast and a handful of other bands, I have little faith in the current state of rock music.
no shenangians at all! gotta go back to afrikka bammabaata and before, but its total true! my best friend\'s dad was a musicology professor at american university and he laid it our for me, old records and all!
I hear ya JKing. Even Steely Dan inspired the track \'Deja Vu\'.
But most of the little rap homeboys growing up today probably don\'t know the roots of the beats. As Freddiewaht would say, "kinda sad really".
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no shenangians at all! gotta go back to afrikka bammabaata and before, but its total true! my best friend\'s dad was a musicology professor at american university and he laid it our for me, old records and all!
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second what does a poser Wham loving punk like you know about Zapp?
Does my being a wee lad during Zapp\'s heyday preclude me from being fan of their music? That is as preposterous as me responding with, "Leith, what do you know about 60\'s Dead".
Hey Peter Pan, go back to the arcade. :sonic:
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led zeppelin\'s most influential legacy is the fact that ALL of the original old school rappers used bonhams drum beats to back their vocals. yes, that\'s right. without led zeppelin, there would probably not be rap as we know it today! and that\'s a fact!
shenanigans!^^
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without a bunch of monkey cavemen beating sticks on rocks, music may have never existed in the first place.....
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led zeppelin\'s most influential legacy is the fact that ALL of the original old school rappers used bonhams drum beats to back their vocals. yes, that\'s right. without led zeppelin, there would probably not be rap as we know it today! and that\'s a fact!
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I believe jking cited the source as the Onion. Definitely a joke.
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This HAS to be a joke if David Lee Roth was given half of the Key. Seriously, I\'d quit the Protectorate if that were true.
Plus - does Wales really have highlands?
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If any of these people would give The Breakfast a listen, they would quickly realize that rock and roll is far from lacking balls.....
last night was a **** rock and roll sandwich with a slice of bisco and a slather of jam.....
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and something like 80% of rap in the 90\'s is sampled from Parliament Funkadelic/George Clinton
maybe not relevant to this thread but I thought it was interesting anyway.
Uh make that PFunk/GC and James Brown!!!!!!!!!!
It seems like most Tupac songs borrow samples from Zapp.
First what do you know about Tupac and second what does a poser Wham loving punk like you know about Zapp?
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It seems like most Tupac songs borrow samples from Zapp.
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I can dig that, me!.
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Did you know that Jimmy Page was on about 60% of all Blues albums released from England during 1964-1969.
and something like 80% of rap in the 90\'s is sampled from Parliament Funkadelic/George Clinton
maybe not relevant to this thread but I thought it was interesting anyway.
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Wales, the last bastion of rock\'n\'roll? I think not! :)
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ahh okay, you didnt cite your source... ;)
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you can thank theonion, jim cobb.
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this article is a joke, right?
no way. this is a serious matter.
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When asked to comment on the possible dangers of using the riff, Sir
Paul McCartney seemed surprised.
"There\'s a secret vault to save rock and roll?" McCartney said. "This
is the first I\'ve heard of it."
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this article is a joke, right?
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However, after piecing together clues hidden in Yes album covers and
Pink Floyd liner notes
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yep! sorta like duane allman was on a bazillon old records, too. aretha\'s version of \'the weight\', for one...
its funny, when page first decided to get out of studio work, people warned him that he\'d never be as successful if he had to rely on a band and not just his own abilities... guess he shut them the hell up, huh?! :lol:
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Did you know that Jimmy Page was on about 60% of all Blues albums released from England during 1964-1969.
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^^^^ ya who want to let the biggest sellout band know where such a resources is hidden, they probably would have put it on a commercial by now
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Unreleased Jimmy Page Guitar Riff To Be Retrieved From Secret Vault
To Save Rock And Roll
March 5, 2007 | Issue 43?10
GWYNEDD, WALES?Calling it the planet\'s last, best hope for saving
rock music, the Guardians of the Protectorate of Rock announced
Monday that they would take the extraordinary step of unleashing a
never-before-heard Jimmy Page riff, hidden for decades in a mythic,
impenetrable vault.
Some speculate that this is the gate to the secret vault. "We who
believe in the immortality of rock took a vow 30 years ago that we
would never release this incredibly powerful force unless we faced a
Day of Reckoning?and that day has come," said Black Sabbath guitarist
Tony Iommi, one of the chosen few who helped forge the Secret Vault
to Save Rock and Roll, at a press conference in the Welsh
highlands. "Just look at the pop charts, and you shall know I speak
the truth."
"Let\'s give rock and roll its **** balls back," he added.
The Guardians said recent developments in the music world, such as
the unaccountable popularity of the Dixie Chicks and Sufjan Stevens,
have created a "perfect storm of lameness" from which rock might
never recover. While Iommi refused to say when the vault would be
opened, hard rock sources believe it will take place just prior to
next month\'s Fall Out Boy?Honda Civic tour, which many fear will suck
the remaining lifeblood from all that still rocks.
"Citizens of Rock, we refuse to stand idly by any longer," ZZ Top
founder and Protectorate High Elder Billy Gibbons said. "When a puss
like James Blunt is allowed to rule the airwaves, we must respond by
exposing this monster riff, and blowing minds into the stratosphere."
The Protectorate, devoted to the preservation of badass jams and
blistering guitar solos, was reportedly formed in the 1970s during
the rise of adult contemporary music. According to legend, the riff,
played only once by Page and recorded on a special cobalt record,
contains the raw power, mind-blowing skill, and unbridled passion of
all the Guardians combined. Recently translated parchments from the
era describe it as a soul-searing power-chord progression faintly
resembling a cross between "Smoke On The Water" and "Living Loving
Maid," but "basically defying all description."
It is believed that, upon the riff\'s release, even those who claim
that the genre is dead will have no choice but to pump their fists,
bang their heads, and bow down to the gods of rock for all eternity.
"May God have mercy on our souls for what we are going to set loose
upon the world," proclaimed Queen guitarist Brian May, dressed in
druidic robes and bathed in the rising blue smoke of a nearby fog
machine. "Will it save rock or destroy mankind? We have no way of
knowing?yet we have no other choice."
Members of the Protectorate were each given only partial information
about the location of the vault, which they were instructed to open
in unison only in the event of a total Rockopalypse. While some
believed the vault was buried in Boston, Chicago, Kansas, Europe, or
Asia, others claimed it could be found in the Court of the Crimson
King.
However, after piecing together clues hidden in Yes album covers and
Pink Floyd liner notes, rock historians now believe the riff is
locked away deep beneath the Welsh countryside house known as Bron-Yr-
Aur, at rock-grid coordinates SH735026. British weather satellites
have also photographed an enormous cloud, shaped like a hybrid of an
upside-down question mark and cross, forming above these exact
coordinates.
The vault\'s Key, regarded as too staggering a burden for any one man
to bear, was divided in two parts, with half entrusted to Eddie Van
Halen and half to David Lee Roth, shortly after Roth left the rock
supergroup Van Halen. The two men, who have refused to work together
for 20 years, recently announced plans for a historic reunion tour.
"Before we shake Heaven and Earth with the vicious power of this
riff, we of the High Council of Elders of the Guardians of the
Protectorate of Rock ask you: Are you about to rock?" AC/DC guitarist
Angus Young said. "If so, we salute you."
When asked to comment on the possible dangers of using the riff, Sir
Paul McCartney seemed surprised.
"There\'s a secret vault to save rock and roll?" McCartney said. "This
is the first I\'ve heard of it."