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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: fizzlefest on December 31, 2006, 01:06:05 am
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Sorry... thread derailed...
Anyhow... as you were.
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I think you need to spend a weekend listening to someone good playing standards or hard bop. :P
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That\'s funny... when I think of plain vanilla jazz, I think of your average boring as ****/sounds like everything else/ repetitive/has been done a million times jazz/funk blend. That\'s about as straight ahead as you can get.
I am serisouly so tired of everyone who listens to jazz only liking it if it is funky.... *sigh*
Whatever, I guess people like what they like, and if it makes you happy, it\'s all good. So pay no attention to my bitching.
But I could seriously do without ever listening to Karl Denson ever again....
I think you need to spend a weekend out here, there are always great projects (usually on the funky side of things) that will get your feet tapping.
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Are there any good clubs for soul-jazz/funk projects (not the straight-ahead, plain vanilla jazz that most people enjoy)
That\'s funny... when I think of plain vanilla jazz, I think of your average boring as ****/sounds like everything else/ repetitive/has been done a million times jazz/funk blend. That\'s about as straight ahead as you can get.
I am serisouly so tired of everyone who listens to jazz only liking it if it is funky.... *sigh*
Whatever, I guess people like what they like, and if it makes you happy, it\'s all good. So pay no attention to my bitching.
But I could seriously do without ever listening to Karl Denson ever again....
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Why is it that I am being called out simply because when I choose to go to shows I either get a hotel room, get someone else to drive or don\'t drink.
When I go out to shows I LIKE to drink. I also like to hear good music, I don\'t like chatty **** crowds, shitty sound systems etc etc etc. It is all part of a night out. When that is limited my enthusiasm for attending a show is less. Thats all i stated in an opinion about NYC.
But somehow you guys feel the need to say I cannot have fun w/o drinking. **** YOU
Zappa doesn\'t even drink so i don\'t think he was bashing you about going and not drinking
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Are you ser broseph?
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I cant enjoy a show unless there is a clear view of Timmy\'s pecker from my chosen vantage point.....does that make me a bad person?
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There are many factors that go into a draw so to say it is all the band I don\'t agree with. For me, I can only do shows on a saturday or sunday night because of my job. On occasion I can take a vacation day. Sometimes I skip sleep and catch a show, but even then it has to be a close show for me to make it to work on time. Otherwise it has to be a saturday or sunday. Add to that I just don\'t like some of the venues they play so I don\'t go to those anymore when they play. In that sence I agree with Dereck. If I miss a show, I\'ll catch the next one. That\'s just me, but I\'m sure many people have factors like this that they use in choosing shows. Some of us have kids. Some of us are unemployed. Some of us don\'t have cars or are under 21 (you\'re next Ali!). All of these can be factors directly from the fan base that effect draw at a show.
Why is it that I am being called out simply because when I choose to go to shows I either get a hotel room, get someone else to drive or don\'t drink.
When I go out to shows I LIKE to drink. I also like to hear good music, I don\'t like chatty **** crowds, shitty sound systems etc etc etc. It is all part of a night out. When that is limited my enthusiasm for attending a show is less. Thats all i stated in an opinion about NYC.
But somehow you guys feel the need to say I cannot have fun w/o drinking. **** YOU
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I cant enjoy a show unless there are piles of drugs everywhere......does that make me a bad person?
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apparently you need to drink to have fun? thats pretty weak if you ask me.
What are you the head of DARE or something. Golly Gee mister I sure am sorry that I like to drink a beer now and then
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Well I thought the turnout for Mercury Lounge would have been bigger......However it wasn\'t but the people that were there, I would say 60 or so at the peak, were owned per usual. Not to mention that 90% of the number were completely unfamiliar faces. This is a good thing. The fact that they are playing Mercury is a good thing. Hopefully they will be asked back, because it is an AMAZING sounding venue that is well run. The location is SER.
There is a bar called The Essex Ale House which is literally around the corner and would be considered HEAVEN for all you beer afficianados. All kinds of ser beer on tap and in bottles. And REASONABLY PRICED..... One of the greatest moments in my experience with people happened here. I was in a ser beerdrinkers tavern drinking bottles of budweiser all night long, and NOT ONCE did someone, anyone make any kind of snide or snarky remark about my preference in beer....Oh and I got to meet and chat a bit with a local who (though in his past was an investment banker) acts as a professional heckler in the local comedy clubs....Nice chattin with ya Bobby.....
This past NY show was great from my perspective. And to me that is cool because I was very down on Breakfast shows in NYC (Lions Den, CODA). Though the show was a bit lite attendance-wise, I believe a lot of good things came out of this past trip.
Hopefully we will be back there again and some more hometowners will come out and support Breakfast music in the Big Apple. For this venue, neighboorhood, scene, is quite **** ser....
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apparently you need to drink to have fun? thats pretty weak if you ask me.
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There are many factors that go into a draw so to say it is all the band I don\'t agree with. For me, I can only do shows on a saturday or sunday night because of my job. On occasion I can take a vacation day. Sometimes I skip sleep and catch a show, but even then it has to be a close show for me to make it to work on time. Otherwise it has to be a saturday or sunday. Add to that I just don\'t like some of the venues they play so I don\'t go to those anymore when they play. In that sence I agree with Dereck. If I miss a show, I\'ll catch the next one. That\'s just me, but I\'m sure many people have factors like this that they use in choosing shows. Some of us have kids. Some of us are unemployed. Some of us don\'t have cars or are under 21 (you\'re next Ali!). All of these can be factors directly from the fan base that effect draw at a show.
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$3 pbrs though.
although i did drink only 1/4 of mine and gave it to pocono rob.
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what did you think of hte pyramid club greg? thats a nice room for the breakfast IMO. seems like mike rocklin is looking to help them book bands at that club after a nice turnout this weekend.
the room was alright, a little small, but seeing as the breakfast usually don\'t pull crap in nyc anyways, it\'d be about the right size. they\'re drinks were a little on the small size and pricey, but i guess thats par for the course in nyc.
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Most of the NYC shows I have seen have been overhyped and Meh...
BUT...
I\'d go to NYC for two sets at the Lion\'s Den!!
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it\'s a great room but it would get NASTY fast in there. if it\'s full with people actually dancing like they do at breakfast shows it might get unbearably hot in there.
upgrade the ventilation system in there and it would be perfect.
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what did you think of hte pyramid club greg? thats a nice room for the breakfast IMO. seems like mike rocklin is looking to help them book bands at that club after a nice turnout this weekend.
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why do all music shows in NYC have to be in Manhattan? that place is overpriced and overrated. are there any good venues in Brooklyn or Queens that a band can play at? Granted it\'ll still be a little on the pricey side, but nowhere as bad as the tourist trap that is Manhattan Island.
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yeah zurflu but buds are technically legal in cali too, so why would they give you a hard time for it in a club...
Pot is not legal for most people, but the general concensus is that it isn\'t much of a priority, allowing people to enjoy it as they please.
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yeah zurflu but buds are technically legal in cali too, so why would they give you a hard time for it in a club...
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CT is a little different for me anyway. I DO NOT DRINK and DRIVE anymore So that puts a damper on some fun.
apparently you need to drink to have fun? thats pretty weak if you ask me.
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OK yes I am talking about being able to puff 1 down during a show. To some it might not seem like a big deal.
The is very little attention paid to those who want to smoke one here. The only clubs out here that are likely to take a Webster-style approach on security would be hip hop clubs that attract lots of thugs with illegal guns. Otherwise, western music clubs do little to meddle with a concertgoer\'s amusement. The last time I saw strict security at a show (and I\'m out on the town nearly every weekend) was probably the Breakfast NYE 2004-2005 show at Toad\'s, where they were pulling people left-and-right out of the club (seemed to be Max Creek freaks exclusively).
Sounds like it\'s harder to find a little freedom in an increasingly unfree world.
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OK yes I am talking about being able to puff 1 down during a show.
I was wondering when you were gonna cut to the chase :lol:
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Are there any good clubs for soul-jazz/funk projects (not the straight-ahead, plain vanilla jazz that most people enjoy), or is the above specifically for jambands? I was just thinking the other day that a city like NYC must have so many great venues to boogie down with exciting bands. I\'m blessed out here with quite a few great venues all within 10 miles of me. Definitely sad to hear if NYC is short on good venues, as I\'m thinking about heading there for a weekend in March.
It depends on what you are looking for. If you mean a bunch of places that will have good to great bands booked then Yes. NYC has a bunch of those. What I was trying to describe (and i guess miserably so)was the loss of the free for all attitude that the city once had. It was this attitude of some venues coupled with the jamband scene which really made the city blossom for me and others. That free for all attitude has been stomped out of the city. I guess some people really like it others like me do not.
I will sound like a broken record but it all basically comes down to Guilliani and his "Quality of Life" laws. Specifically the anti-smoking laws. It was this law specifically that I like to point to that killed the city. When they pushed the smokers outside they pushed everything else outside or out all together. OK yes I am talking about being able to puff 1 down during a show. To some it might not seem like a big deal. And in the large scheme of things it is kind of petty but it really kills the mood of a show (for me anyways). Where once you could just do what you wanted with a small amount of discretion now you have to be a concert ninja. Was it being spoiled, perhaps but it is very difficult to have to go back to the days of hiding in the crowd or taking a walk around the street or whatever. It is just annoying and was never an issue before.
So where does that leave the city. It leaves it just like any other place where you have to play the same stupid games. So the traffic and expensive everything starts to outweigh the benefits of going out in NYC, where the benefits used to always outweigh the hassle.
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And NYC is teh Ghey!!!. It will never be anything like it used to be. The city has no edge to it anymore. it is just like every other city. You could go down to a show in NYC and PARTY. those days are over. I cannot name 1 venue where this is true. 5 years ago I could name 5 off the top of my head.
Are there any good clubs for soul-jazz/funk projects (not the straight-ahead, plain vanilla jazz that most people enjoy), or is the above specifically for jambands? I was just thinking the other day that a city like NYC must have so many great venues to boogie down with exciting bands. I\'m blessed out here with quite a few great venues all within 10 miles of me. Definitely sad to hear if NYC is short on good venues, as I\'m thinking about heading there for a weekend in March.
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more often than none, there are a number of other shows going down within the vast area that is NYC, that may interest those who could potentially see (and want to see)the Breakfast.. but choose otherwise..I never made it to Tobacco Rd. but have seen some healthy crowds at the knit and the lion\'s den.. Very impressed with the turnout from this past summer\'s boat cruise, esp for a wed. night..
for me, right now, nyc= meh
::puts on flame retardant suit::
QFT!!!!
And NYC is teh Ghey!!!. It will never be anything like it used to be. The city has no edge to it anymore. it is just like every other city. You could go down to a show in NYC and PARTY. those days are over. I cannot name 1 venue where this is true. 5 years ago I could name 5 off the top of my head. The Boat Cruise was the closest thing in recent memory but that has pretty much lost its allure as well.
You didn\'t have to sneak to do this or that. You could just go and enjoy a show or shows. Now you cannot do that, you have the same BS traffic, expensive drinks, and no where worth staying up until 5AM so u can catch the trains.
Unless you live in NYC it is the biggest pain in the ass to go shows in the city (I live only 50 minutes from midtown). I much prefer to go to shows upstate. The rules are the same but the traffic is almost non-existent, and drinks are much cheaper. I would rather drive 21/2 hours North then drive 1 hour south to the city to see a show.
CT is a little different for me anyway. I DO NOT DRINK and DRIVE anymore So that puts a damper on some fun. There are only a few venues near Hotels that the bfast play (Toads for example). They have been playing a few shows on Thursday nights and for those of us that have to work it makes it more difficult to get out to do (especially considering the above).
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for me, right now, nyc= meh
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I\'m with you 100% Gabe, I\'ll take a 4hr drive to Brahlington over NYC most any day.
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my theory = .infoers are scared of nyc.....
because they schedule a show the day after in CT so non hard core folks will wait till they get closer. and like i said, if people don\'t know a show is going on they won\'t be there, period.
for the people that really want to see this band succeed you need to do what you can to get people through the door. that means have a couple fliers and a couple sampler discs in your pocket when ever you go out. if there isn\'t a show in the next couple weeks just getting music in peoples hands WILL turn them on to the band.
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more often than none, there are a number of other shows going down within the vast area that is NYC, that may interest those who could potentially see (and want to see)the Breakfast.. but choose otherwise..I never made it to Tobacco Rd. but have seen some healthy crowds at the knit and the lion\'s den.. Very impressed with the turnout from this past summer\'s boat cruise, esp for a wed. night..
for me, right now, nyc= meh
::puts on flame retardant suit::
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my theory = .infoers are scared of nyc.....
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cant hold a venue responsible for turnouts, thats just not what the business is like these days. a band must take sole responsibility for their draw at a show. if the venue promotes, that is wonderful, but these days, thats just not the norm. a good band (i\'m talking more than just musical talent here, i\'m talking about the whole business model) should be able to play just about anywhere and secure a good draw, and if not, then don\'t book shows where you dont think you\'ll be able to draw or where there is no opportunity to build a draw.
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TRB crowds are still the best
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who\'s the reporter?. just cuz u ask how many people were every thread doesnt mean u have all the facts
Sure my 7/10 statistic is unprecise, though I have been reading "disappointing turnout" in most of the recent show threads.
Glad to see you have given up prank messaging me with a bogus AIM identity! :moo: Don\'t you have some posters or flyers to work on? ;)
PB for life, Happy New Year!
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Seems like 7/10 recent shows in any location have been reported as Dooze.
who\'s the reporter?. just cuz u ask how many people were every thread doesnt mean u have all the facts
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I think it\'s defintitely 2 factors that work for a SER turnout vs. a dooze-
1. VENUE:
Bill\'s Bar in Btown looked pretty filled & was sold out on Fri. night - but it only has a max. capacity of 250 people. That same # in Toad\'s Place makes for a dooze.
2. PROMO:
They\'ve had some doozies in CT, and NY, and I\'m sure anywhere - but, when people are talking about the band & music in the weeks before the show is scheduled, it\'s usually a good turnout. IMO, NYC is just a hard city to promote in, due to the fact that 1000\'s of other bands are also promoting for the same night.
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there will be nothing like Tobacco rd in the city.
:that: TobaccoRd was a great fukcin place and I saw some unbeleivable shows there.....
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Thur. night before a major party weekend= dOOz
Seems like 7/10 recent shows in any location have been reported as Dooze.
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Thur. night before a major party weekend= dOOz
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venues have a lot to do with it, like there will be nothing like Tobacco rd in the city. if they were still playing there theyd probably have a good amount more people at other venues because theyd establish a packed house at a cool place.
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if people don\'t know the show is going on how do they know what they missed
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Timings always a factor. I\'d guess of the shows I\'ve seen in CT MA VT NH RI and upstate NY, some of the venues get 250 heads packed in, rarely twice that much but the Freakout and 1000th show and other shows that get more hype get lot of people there.
Last NYC was a Thursday and a lotta folks can\'t be arsed to go out on a Thursday night.
I haven\'t gone to an NYC show yet, don\'t really plan on it either. Huge cities are hectic.
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Hi all. I haven\'t yet had the chance to attend a CT show, only NYC shows so far. I absolutely love these guys, and just can\'t figure out why they aren\'t playing bigger venues and/or attracting more people to their shows (at least in NYC).
For those of you who have seen them in both areas, how do they compare? I have to assume they draw bigger crowds in their home state. Is NYC just a bad scene for them? Or is it just bad luck and bad timing for this years NYC shows?
Thanks and peace.