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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: leith on November 06, 2006, 11:22:26 pm
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you know whats scary for me.....hillary clinton running for president in 08. ill move to canada.
I\'d rather her than G.W.
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you know whats scary for me.....hillary clinton running for president in 08. ill move to canada.
:that:, though I won\'t move on that witch\'s behalf. I really hope a decent Dem. wins the primary vs. Clinton number 2.
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Allen concedes and the dems take both houses! good riddance to george \'macaca\' allen!
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That is true.
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New englanders generally like a republican govenor to balance out against the democratic senators.
True....but explain to me Lowell Weicker, our infamous "independent" governor.
you know whats scary for me.....hillary clinton running for president in 08. ill move to canada.
Alan Schlesinger was pretty much ostracized by the republican party so noone was really interested in him. I think too that people had a hard time warming up to Ned Lamont.
I heard somewhere he had a gambling problem, and thats why. True or False?
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Its almost an oddity to me how we\'ve had a republican governor this long.
New englanders generally like a republican govenor to balance out against the democratic senators.
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Nancy Pelosi.
she would become President if something were to happen to both the President and V.P.
That is scary if you think about it.
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Progress in America? Yes there can be.
For the first time ever there is a woman Speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi.
If this means nothing to you realize she would become President if something were to happen to both the President and V.P.
That is huge in this country if you think about it.
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Alan Schlesinger was pretty much ostracized by the republican party so noone was really interested in him. I think too that people had a hard time warming up to Ned Lamont.
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:lol: Lieberman! What kind of voodoo did he lay down up there after losing the primary?
Of course Joe Lieberman was going to lose a primary election with only registered Democrat voters. It wasn\'t as big a deal, in my opinion, as it was made out to be. Lieberman was the defacto Republican candidate, not an Independent. To me it is no shock that Lieberman won.
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And for the New Hampshire natives on the board- NO MORE CHARLIE BASS!
Thank goodness.
He alone was enough to drive me to the polls.
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:lol: Lieberman! What kind of voodoo did he lay down up there after losing the primary?
its called CT is full of old whities over the age of 65. Seniors are HUGE voters. They don\'t like change very much. I\'m sure alot of registered democrat seniors didnt even vote in the primary....
As a fierce Republican, I\'m going to have to move out of this state now that a damn Dem got elected and will probably try to wittle away even more from my paycheck. I wish I lived in CT. Joe Lieberman is the man. Prisoners are the scum of the earth and should be treated as such. For the first time in my life, I was actually somewhat impressed by a Liberal (Grace Ross-Jones) after viewing the MA candidate speeches. She actually seemed highly intelligent and was a great speaker. She didn\'t mention anything about spending money on stupid **** or giving it to lazy people. I still would never trust a Green.
Actually, not to start a debate, but CT is virtually democrat. Its almost an oddity to me how we\'ve had a republican governor this long. Jodi Rell, besides cleaning up a mess left behind by Rowland, is a really wonderful woman. I had a chance to meet her years ago when she was lieutenant gov. She was the most down to earth politician I have ever met.
But still its quite remarkable to me that the democrats have yet to find a real candidate...destefano has done a wonderful job revitalizing new haven, but he definitely lacked a certain charisma to be elected to a higher office. does anyone know about the 28 year old guy who ran against rosa delauro?? That was balls. I voted for him just for that.
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:lol: Lieberman! What kind of voodoo did he lay down up there after losing the primary?
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Murphy - wins
So long Nancy Johnson! Don\'t let the pile of anti-Chris mail you sent me that I had to recycle suffocate you on the way out. I shutter to think how many trees died in your pathetic attempt to keep your job, which also pissed me off as an environmentalist. I only got 2 things out of hundreds from her that told me why I should vote for her. The rest of it was all why I should not vote for him and it came on a daily basis. That unto itself was the final straw to kick her out.
Also, I wasn\'t big on her track record and she had been in too long.
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Local CT Standings So Far:
Lieberman - wins
Jodi Rell - wins
DeLauro - wins
Blumenthal - wins
Courtney/Simmons = too close to say as of yet
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As a fierce Republican, I\'m going to have to move out of this state now that a damn Dem got elected and will probably try to wittle away even more from my paycheck. I wish I lived in CT. Joe Lieberman is the man. Prisoners are the scum of the earth and should be treated as such. For the first time in my life, I was actually somewhat impressed by a Liberal (Grace Ross-Jones) after viewing the MA candidate speeches. She actually seemed highly intelligent and was a great speaker. She didn\'t mention anything about spending money on stupid **** or giving it to lazy people. I still would never trust a Green.
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If you do vote then they know they need to pay some attention to you.
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Just think - if all the hollys of the world decided to go and vote for a 3rd party candidate in an election rather than staying home, it would bring the % up to the point where one of these candidates might actually win, and even if they didn\'t the big 2 would have to completely change their campaining structure for next time around.
That\'s exactly what I meant. :thumbsup:
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I laughed when I finally saw Joe Liberman all the way down there. I wonder how many less informed voters will not vote for him simply because they can\'t find his name.
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I wasn\'t trying to imply there are only 2 parties, but rather that it is a 2 party system. There are several parties and the actual number on the ballot varies race to race and election to election. The point is that the "3rd party candidates", be them green, libretarians, concerned citizens, etc, don\'t have enough pull to actually get above the 5% mark in most elections. As a result, they do not threaten the big two and it logically stands that one of the 2 big ones will win the election. When I don\'t care for either of the 2 big ones (most of the time), I always go to the lower brackets. Most of the time I agree with these candidates more, and on top of that it is a way of voicing my discontent with the main political structure in america without simply "staying home".
Just think - if all the hollys of the world decided to go and vote for a 3rd party candidate in an election rather than staying home, it would bring the % up to the point where one of these candidates might actually win, and even if they didn\'t the big 2 would have to completely change their campaining structure for next time around.
one can dream I supose, one can dream.
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Coming in a little late to this debate, but when I see people complain about the 2 party system, I can tell they\'ve never voted. When you go into the both, there are many choices of more "obscure" candidates. Hell even though I didn\'t vote for him I looked around the booth wondering where the hell Joe Liberman was. He was the 6th candidate listed.
My point: The biggest reason alternative party candidates are not taken seriously is that the people most likely to support them (those fed up with status quo gov\'t) do not go out and vote.
btw- I applaud everyone who went out to vote today
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1. what is he holding?
2. what is he doing? (standing is a partial answer but by the rules of congress what is he doing)
In case anyone actually did care,
1. U.S Constitution, which was read as part of a
2. Filibuster against a bill he dissagreed with.
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I agree 3rd parties need to be empowered in this country.... the two party system does us all a real disservice.
That\'s why I voted "Dem" when there was a "Rep" challenger... but in Mass here we had a few positions where it was "Dem" vs. "Green/Rainbow" and no Republicans, and in those cases I voted for the 3rd party just to bump up their percentage points.
I would probably vote for all Greens if they had a chance. Or the Marijuana Party... whatever
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I voted. Every vote matters, even those not cast. If you pay taxes or are registered to vote then they know you exist. If you don\'t vote then they know they have you beat. If you do vote then they know they need to pay some attention to you.
If you can navigate the breakfast.info website then you can get an absentee ballot from your local govt. website.
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Nice reference to a Frank Capra classic.
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I also believe in times like this make it more viable for a 3rd party to gain some recognition. That is because I feel a majority of people are fed up with both major parties. Look back to `92 when Ross Perot did pretty well. He did well because he took strong stands on issues abandoned by the major parties (like the national deficit) and did very well in debates. Unfortunately I think new laws prohibit 3rd party candidates from getting involved in debates without great support in national polls. Another issue being it costs so damn much to run for a political office (I think around $200,000,000 to run a decent presidential campaign), so that right off the bat eliminates 99% of qualified candidates. So does anyone know any billionaires who can run an upset in `08?
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Jimmy Stewart in "Mr. George Goes to Washington" ---- what do i win? :hscratch: ;)
:sigh: :P
um, win, hmmm...
how about the ability to freely choose your governing officials free of persecution?
no one on the extra credit?
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:doh: :lol: :idunno:
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Mr Smith goes to Washington
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Jimmy Stewart in "Mr. George Goes to Washington" ---- what do i win? :hscratch: ;)
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no one knows that movie? should be required viewing in civics classes, if you ask me!
i actually know it, but apparently i\'m not allowed to say the name of it...
Your not allowed because you know it. I\'ll give extra credit though open to everyone -
1. what is he holding?
2. what is he doing? (standing is a partial answer but by the rules of congress what is he doing)
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no one knows that movie? should be required viewing in civics classes, if you ask me!
i actually know it, but apparently i\'m not allowed to say the name of it...
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they actually changed most of the polling places here in va, without notifying anyone. lots of stories of folks going to their usually polling places only to find it not there anymore.
no one knows that movie? should be required viewing in civics classes, if you ask me!
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I am so confused on where to vote. I was originally registered in Staven. But I haven\'t lived there in 4 years, but i never bothered to register anywhere else, so i guess i have to go there. even tho the voting place in my town now is almost across the street from me. I think alot of people dont vote for this same stupid reason, they dont know where to go....
But i\'ll vote....staven better not give me problems....
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my favorite politician in the whole country is a guy named Harold Selby, in the missouri house. he won his election by over two to one against a four term incumbent rep in a strongly rep district. he did it by going out and personally talking to everyone in the district. he listened to what they had to say, but he also clearly defined why he wanted to get elected and exactly what he would change. he took no money whatsoever from anyone outside himself and his wife (a total of less than four grand). he was dismissed by the state dem party, he was dismissed by his opponent. yet, on election day, he prevailed. that was in 1998. he\'s still in his seat today, by running the same type of campaign every time. however, the financial and time toll it took on him was huge. very few folks are willing to make that kind of committment to fixing a problem rather than to gaining power. if we could find and groom a few more harold selby\'s, we\'d have a much better electoral choice.
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alright, someone (other than holly) name the movie ...
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:lol: or, you could do what Lieberman did - start up a whole new party called "Connecticut for Joe" :rolleyes:
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frank~ i don\'t care who you vote for, i\'m just saying that the more parties you get involved, the less cohesive and effective any one of them can be. if the libertarians weren\'t so insane with some of their positions, they\'d actually have a really good chance of becoming a valid third party as some of their planks are dead on. but they refuse to drop some of their planks, which is good, but by doing so, they also lose their effectiveness. the greens, etc have even fewer dead on planks, putting them that much farther out of reach. personally, i\'m just about as socialist as they come, but since i don\'t have anyone to vote for (and, in this country, won\'t ever have a viable choice), i, too, go for the person, based on their actions and votes. i voted across party lines this morning, as a matter of fact. i\'ve also been a campaign manager for state house and senate races in multiple states, so i know how to look at candidates, where their money comes from, as well as understanding how and why the two parties maintain their dominance. this is actually an ideal time, socio-politically, for a rise in other parties, but until you get a prominent, charismatic figure who has the ability to loosen purse strings large and small and a strong centrist platform, then its simply not feasible. so, to recap, the current system isn\'t great, but the reality of overhauling it, while seemingly within our grasp, is still far off.
and all this talk abuot having crappy choices to vote for is easy to fix, however it requires even more voting and even more paying attention, which the average american refuses to do. you mentioned 35% which is a fairly accurate number, but that\'s on the presidential level. midterms, historically, have even lower turnout (this year will be an exception, predicted around 42%, the highest since \'82 or so). but to get decent candidates for the midterms, you have to groom them from the municipal level. and the turnout numbers for school board, city council, county commissioner, dog catcher, whatever is historically in the mid twenties, if that. but that\'s where the decent candidates get shut out. a guy with a good heart, good mind and good ideas coming from the outside actually has a chance at that level, but since they are on the outside and have little to no money or apparatus to get out their message, they get swallowed up and chewed out and disappear from politics. thus, we end up with the party-beholden, run of the mill, lesser of two evils candidates that we see now.
my favorite politician in the whole country is a guy named Harold Selby, in the missouri house. he won his election by over two to one against a four term incumbent rep in a strongly rep district. he did it by going out and personally talking to everyone in the district. he listened to what they had to say, but he also clearly defined why he wanted to get elected and exactly what he would change. he took no money whatsoever from anyone outside himself and his wife (a total of less than four grand). he was dismissed by the state dem party, he was dismissed by his opponent. yet, on election day, he prevailed. that was in 1998. he\'s still in his seat today, by running the same type of campaign every time. however, the financial and time toll it took on him was huge. very few folks are willing to make that kind of committment to fixing a problem rather than to gaining power. if we could find and groom a few more harold selby\'s, we\'d have a much better electoral choice.
ummm, what was the question?
oh yeah, vote for me, jason king, for benevolent dictator extraordinaire!
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i\'m not just trying to be some badass about not voting and trying to make a statement about being ignorant about politics.
Baby, you don\'t need to try. You\'ll always be my favorite badass. ;)
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actually, more than two patries comes with a whole slew of other problems. by building and crumbing coalitions of votes, you are constantly rearranging and re-prioritizing the agenda of the party. the aims you originally voted for could be put completely to the side in an attempt to compromise and gain votes on another issue. look at italy for an example of the effects of a number of different parties.
that\'s why you should all vote for me, jason king, as benevolent dictator extraordinaire!
Dear Sir,
As Holly said, "what if i said i was going to vote repub, then i\'m sure most people would have different things to say."
I would like what you described above to happen because it would shake the country to it\'s core and we would come out of it re-organized with a different system. Maybe it would be better, maybe it would be worse, but it would be a change and I don\'t care for the 2 giant parties and only 1/3~1/2 of the people voting. Offically I am independent, and I always have been and always will be, but that is only because they wont let you regester as an ararchist.
I always have and always will vote based on individual issues that are important to me, and I will choose my officials based on how they have ACTED on those issues, not on what they say they will do in debate in october. For the most part I ignore everything politicans say from august on and only go on thier voting records and where thier money comes from (the latter usually is the cause of the prior).
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stupid ****, we should kill her.
i know
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the funny thing about the Paris Hilton thing is that she was all over that campaign and she never even went to vote, stupid ****, we should kill her.
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Politicians suck, dictators rule!!!
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i was just using you as an example babe...so, sorry if you feel used :lol:
here another example:
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that\'s why you should all vote for me, jason king, as benevolent dictator extraordinaire!
rotfl
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that\'s why you should all vote for me, jason king, as benevolent dictator extraordinaire!
If you were to do it, I would vote.
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[ex: For all you CT folks, Mr Joe Leiberman needs to go.
maybe the only reason people are annoyed with the fact that i am not voting today is because my vote is not going to your democratic contender. what if i said i was going to vote repub, then i\'m sure most people would have different things to say. not to say that i will always be voting for either because modern political parties have lost their original fundamentals anyway, but i know that\'s a pretty typical reaction to expect.
Hon I am just stating my opinion, you can vote for whoever the **** you want, I wouldn\'t tell you to not vote if you were going to vote repuclican, I would be surprised, but we do not have an accurate representation of what this counrtry wants right now, cause as Paul said we have maybe 35% voting, that\'s alot of people, the only people going to the polls are rich white men, no wonder Washington looks the way it does.I don\'rt care who you vote for, just vote, I personally would like to see Leiberman out of office, you may feel differently.
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actually, more than two patries comes with a whole slew of other problems. by building and crumbing coalitions of votes, you are constantly rearranging and re-prioritizing the agenda of the party. the aims you originally voted for could be put completely to the side in an attempt to compromise and gain votes on another issue. look at italy for an example of the effects of a number of different parties.
that\'s why you should all vote for me, jason king, as benevolent dictator extraordinaire!
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fyi, i have read the republic. i\'ve also read leviathan, the oresteia, the prince, king lear, othello, etc. i\'m not just trying to be some badass about not voting and trying to make a statement about being ignorant about politics.
:thumbsup: awesome job.
maybe the only reason people are annoyed with the fact that i am not voting today is because my vote is not going to your democratic contender. what if i said i was going to vote repub, then i\'m sure most people would have different things to say. not to say that i will always be voting for either because modern political parties have lost their original fundamentals anyway, but i know that\'s a pretty typical reaction to expect.
as I said before:
It does not matter how you vote, but you should. I don\'t care what party you are or who you vote for.
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I wish there were multiple parties. Not just 2 or 3, the more the better.
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who is unwilling to step up and do a better job himself
Oh yeah, there\'s my future!!! Being a piece of **** politician!!! Ariiiiiight!!! :sigh:
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I have not and never will agree with the attitude of "I\'ll prove a point by staying home and not voting." This does not prove anything because there is no way to track the reason you stayed home. Further more, the less people that vote, the less people it takes to swing an election. I wish there were multiple parties. Not just 2 or 3, the more the better. I wish we had 100% voter turnout every time. Most years we don\'t break 35% which is an insult to all the generations of people who died for the sole purpose of giving you that right.
Maybe it\'s just me, but I\'m probably the only person here who has read the republic here as well. As Plato said, the man upset with his government who is unwilling to step up and do a better job himself has no grounds to complain about anything the goverment does.
I learned a long time ago people will do what they want and you can\'t change peoples attitudes. Still, I will be there hanging out with the senior citizens today.
fyi, i have read the republic. i\'ve also read leviathan, the oresteia, the prince, king lear, othello, etc. i\'m not just trying to be some badass about not voting and trying to make a statement about being ignorant about politics.
so many people push you to vote because they want you to vote in their favor. it is **** annoying and as someone who is in that 18-25 bracket, i don\'t appreciate it. i did not appreciate all of the campaigns geared at the youth during the 2004 presidential election and i don\'t like hearing from people trying to get me to vote for "their guy" now.
ex: For all you CT folks, Mr Joe Leiberman needs to go.
maybe the only reason people are annoyed with the fact that i am not voting today is because my vote is not going to your democratic contender. what if i said i was going to vote repub, then i\'m sure most people would have different things to say. not to say that i will always be voting for either because modern political parties have lost their original fundamentals anyway, but i know that\'s a pretty typical reaction to expect.
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holly, you make me sad. educate yourself girl!!!
(you could have gotten an absentee online through this past weekend. and you\'re thinking of the electoral college taking away the individual vote. this is a midterm, hon, no ec.)
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I actually just read Plato for a class, Machivelli too, twisted dude wiht a lot of good ideas
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IMO, there\'s no one I feel strongly about enough to put my vote in for;
As Plato said, the man upset with his government who is unwilling to step up and do a better job himself has no grounds to complain about anything the goverment does.
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For the first time EVER, I\'m choosing not to vote for anyone. The state of politics makes it extremely difficult to trust & put confidence in any one party or candidate. IMO, there\'s no one I feel strongly about enough to put my vote in for; & life will go on, no matter who takes the office.:shrug:
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maybe if it wasn\'t such a goddamn process to deal with an absentee ballot
You can apply for one online now...not that hard at all!!!
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not voting is ignorance, and anything that is said about one vote not contributing blah blah, is not valid imo.
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There is a reason that **** is available over the counter and marijuana is illegal. Older people vote, younger people don\'t.
That is such a good point. I\'m not registered in CT, only NH. I guess I dropped the ball this time around, but i will absolutely be voting when the presedential election rolls around. It is hard to get past the meaningless campaign commercials, and actually know what a candidate stands for on issues, so that as Holly said, you can make an educated vote. So i don\'t feel quite as bad not voting since i dont know the CT congressmen/senators and where they stand.(ehnice justification)
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I\'ll be voting for the first time in my life today... yeah me. i kind of agree with everybody but an uneducated voter is almost as bad as not voting at all. which is what i am but i\'m sick of the Republican rule and i want to see a casino and i think the Roger Williams Zoo needs money to build there infrastructure. it more than voting for a politician there are other things on the ballots that need to be vote on. so go out and vote. you\'d all be pissed if they took your right to vote away so use it.
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I wish there were multiple parties. Not just 2 or 3, the more the better.
Ding, ding, ding!!! We have a winner!!! Why is it that we only have a choice between two pieces of ****??? (Ok, sometimes three) Even in Iraq, they had a choice between many potential people. AND, all of them were pretty much equals. It wasn\'t based on who had more money to brainwash those too dumb to figure it out for themselves.
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It does not matter how you vote, but you should. I don\'t care what party you are or who you vote for. I am always depressed during off-year elections to see I am usually the youngest person there.
I have not and never will agree with the attitude of "I\'ll prove a point by staying home and not voting." This does not prove anything because there is no way to track the reason you stayed home. Further more, the less people that vote, the less people it takes to swing an election. I wish there were multiple parties. Not just 2 or 3, the more the better. I wish we had 100% voter turnout every time. Most years we don\'t break 35% which is an insult to all the generations of people who died for the sole purpose of giving you that right.
Maybe it\'s just me, but I\'m probably the only person here who has read the republic as well. As Plato said, the man upset with his government who is unwilling to step up and do a better job himself has no grounds to complain about anything the goverment does.
I learned a long time ago people will do what they want and you can\'t change peoples attitudes. Still, I will be there hanging out with the senior citizens today.
There is a reason that **** is available over the counter and marijuana is illegal. Older people vote, younger people don\'t.
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Submitted an absentee ballot: went conservative across the board - voting for only libertarians and republicans!!
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I\'ll be voting tomorrow (today?),
For all you CT folks, Mr Joe Leiberman needs to go. I don\'t want to say I basing my vote strictly on that, but this is a man who voted for a bill that has now made it legal to detain a suspect with out charging them, not letting them contact an attorney, and yes ladies and gentlemen torture, we can now legally torture prisoners.
Welcome to the begining of the real big brother.
Please take away all my rights.
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Yeah the last election showed America @ it\'s worst.
Hopefully things will start to change w/ tomorrow\'s vote.
Yeah the last election showed America @ it\'s worst.
Hopefully things will start to change w/ tomorrow\'s vote.
So get off your lazy(but fine) ass and VOTE!!!
leith with some undeniable truths tonight! ;)
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You are entirely correct Holly.
However it is the combined votes of people of similar mind that will make a difference.
So get off your lazy(but fine) ass and VOTE!!!
my fine and lazy ass is working from home tomorrow and having a transmission tune-up (thank god). maybe if it wasn\'t such a goddamn process to deal with an absentee ballot i would cast my vote in virginia-a state where i reaaally won\'t make a difference :lol:
anyhoo, have fun voting people. if you\'re making an educated vote and feel passionate about your decision, go for it. otherwise, take those hours your office/place of work grants you and go see a movie (borat).
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your individual vote will not make a difference.
take your day or hour away from work to enjoy yourself.
:prepares for leith and many other people to give me ****:
You are entirely correct Holly.
However it is the combined votes of people of similar mind that will make a difference.
So get off your lazy(but fine) ass and VOTE!!!
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ya listen to zappa, or p.diddy, whichever.
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^^
Thats kind of true, which is why its important to get other people who you suspect will vote the same as you to get to the polls too!
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^^
Thats kind of true, which is why its important to get other people who you suspect will vote the same as you to get to the polls too!
I know my choices will be easy because I couldn\'t be happier with the current state of foreign and domestic affairs in this country...... .... ... .. .. .
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your individual vote will not make a difference.
take your day or hour away from work to enjoy yourself.
:prepares for leith and many other people to give me ****:
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Amen!!
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Yeah the last election showed America @ it\'s worst.
Hopefully things will start to change w/ tomorrow\'s vote.