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General Discussions => Inner Glimpse => Topic started by: Me! on August 03, 2006, 01:49:12 pm
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i saw the flight 93 movie shortly after it came out--definitely a very emotional and painful film to watch. as much as i think that greedy directors/film makers might be exploiting 911, it\'s important for people who were not so close to what happened to understand the magnitude of just how bad it was. i hate to say it, but i think that a lot of people have in some ways forgotten or put 911 far behind them. there are also the people who live far away from the east coast and didn\'t fully comprehend the level of chaos and the impact of the attacks on the world trade center, pentagon, etc. i have a much higher opinion of the producers of flight 93 who showed more respect to the families of victims, but i can\'t say much about the wtc movie because i haven\'t seen it yet. as painful as it was for me to watch flight 93, i really think that it\'s important for people to see these films to educate those who do not have a full understanding of how horrible an event that was. it\'s also important to remember who our enemies are and how ridiculous it is that people like osama bin laden have not been found/could still be alive (this is a whole other topic that i\'m not going to **** about because i will offend people).
what bitching on .info...... heated conversations.... here..... no way
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i saw the flight 93 movie shortly after it came out--definitely a very emotional and painful film to watch. as much as i think that greedy directors/film makers might be exploiting 911, it\'s important for people who were not so close to what happened to understand the magnitude of just how bad it was. i hate to say it, but i think that a lot of people have in some ways forgotten or put 911 far behind them. there are also the people who live far away from the east coast and didn\'t fully comprehend the level of chaos and the impact of the attacks on the world trade center, pentagon, etc. i have a much higher opinion of the producers of flight 93 who showed more respect to the families of victims, but i can\'t say much about the wtc movie because i haven\'t seen it yet. as painful as it was for me to watch flight 93, i really think that it\'s important for people to see these films to educate those who do not have a full understanding of how horrible an event that was. it\'s also important to remember who our enemies are and how ridiculous it is that people like osama bin laden have not been found/could still be alive (this is a whole other topic that i\'m not going to **** about because i will offend people).
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One difference b/w United 93 and the WTC movie is that the makers of United 93 got the blessing from all the families affected by that event, which doesn\'t appear to be true of the WTC movie.
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As the person who started this thread, I will answer, the United 93 question, I honestly don\'t remember that movie coming out, I may have been on the road at the time and didn\'t see or hear anything about it. I have been seeing ads for this movie non stop, and every time I do it makes me think. As I said I did not lose anyone on that day. So I was just curious as to what some people may think who were effected by the days events
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4 - where was this thread when United 93 came out? or was that somehow less significant?
Of course United 93 was less significant (tounge in cheek). I mean it was just a plane of innocent people who stopped part of a terrorist plot to crash the plane into the white house (tounge in cheek). The only people who died on United Flight 93 were the passengers of the plane and some scumbag terrorists (tounge in cheek). I mean its not like it happened in NYC, and not nearly as tragic or big as 2 planes flying into and destroying a national monument for capitolism and progress, not to mention a ton of human casualties (tounge in cheek)...........
But really United Flight 93 became much less significant to the other events of 9/11/01 when that crazy Canadian Neil Young wrote that stupid song "Let\'s Roll" about the heroic efforts of the passengers of that doomed flight (tounge bitten off in mouth and now loged in cheek)
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so i guess.........everyone see the movie in the first 5 days!
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i\'ll try to say a couple random things here without getting too worked up..
1 - i knew no one who was in either building, or in the pentagon on 9/11.
2 - i think it\'s retarded to judge a movie without seeing it. i haven\'t seen this movie, so i have no comment on whether it\'s offensive, in bad taste, a great movie, etc.
3 - i have heard really good things about the movie, and i do want to see it.
4 - where was this thread when United 93 came out? or was that somehow less significant?
5 - i definitely agree with wildcoyote about people forgetting quickly.. in the weeks that followed 9/11, people were different. people seemed to have an appreciation for life that they never had before. i noticed almost instantaneously that people were going out of their way to be nicer to complete strangers - holding doors, saying hello, etc.. i think we\'re pretty much back to where we were as far as that goes..
6 - profitting off of 9/11 is nothing new. profitting off of 9/11 began on 9/12. you remember what 9/12 was, don\'t you? 9/12 was the day that the american flag became "cool". you know, the day that it became a rule that the more flags you had, the more american you were and the more proud of your country you were.. "power of pride"! "we will never forget"!! american pride catch phrases on t-shirts, bumper stickers, hats, stationary, etc.. red white and blue all over the place! look, instead of tinting your car windows, you can get an american flag screen print on there!! there were shitloads of 9/11-related dvds that came out within a month of the event, because every idiot with a camera that day wanted to make a buck off their footage. ****, just go to amazon and search for 9/11. this is nothing new.
that\'s all..
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If O.Stone had made a WTC movie that focused on the politics I too would have been disgusted. But since he focuses on the lives of heros, I think its a good way for this event to be documented by the film industry.
Sept.11th is probably the most important event to happen to the US in the last 50 years and artists of every medium have been allowed to express their opinions about it except those artist attached to the film industry.
Sure the whole profiting off a tragedy aspect is extremely sticky, and I kinda feel this:
"Paramount has selected four charities to receive 10% of the U.S. box office for the first five days."
is a good intention, but a poor execution.
10% of total box office would have been better
10% of gross, preferrable
Anyway... I think everyone, particularly those directly effected by that day have every right to boycott & bad mouth this movie.
But its not going to change me wanting to see it.
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I don\'t know if it is too soon or not. Nor do I think I will see this movie in the theater.
What I do know is that personally I have very different mixed emotions about the entire series of events that are 9/11. I know that it is a very difficult situation to bring up and that if anyone attempts to make a movie about 9/11 it needs to be with grace, style and respect.
but, lets not forget that things like this have been happening in the world prior to it happening to us in 9/11. did we care then?
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okay. regardless. my answer is: yes, too soon.
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tribute, yes. hollywoodized big budget movie thats probably going to make some dude millions? this infuriates me and i can think of nothing that is more tasteless and offensive than this movie.
have you seen this movie?
how can you say that it doesn\'t pay respect to the two Port Authority policemen who the movie is about? they seem to be thrilled with the way the movie came out and displayed there situation.
this movie has nothing to do with why it happened or what happened after. its about 2 Port Authority policemen with the will to live while doing their duty and trying to save anothers life.
I believe that Oliver Stone made this movie less Hollywood and more about the brave souls who risked their lives that day and the fortunate opportunity that 2 of these guys had to get out alive.
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tribute, yes. hollywoodized big budget movie thats probably going to make some dude millions? this infuriates me and i can think of nothing that is more tasteless and offensive than this movie.
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There are too many amazing stories from that day to leave its portrayals to documentaries alone.
There were many actions of heroism and extreme selfless bravery. These actions are not to be forgotten either. My initial reaction to anything 9-11 related is always very negative. The heros, especially the fallen, deserve their tribute.
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It was inevitable that there was going to be at least one motion picture portrayal of the events leading up to, during, and the aftermath of 9/11/01.
And believe it or not its been just about 5 years.....
Anyone who was directly affected by the events of that day have the ability to see or not see the movie....
I do not see anything wrong with the timing or the release of this film....
I do have a problem with the stupid name for the new building they plan on building in the footprint of the WTC. Freedom Tower..... **** Lame.
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It may be too soon for folks that were directly affected by 9/11. But I believe that someone had to break the hollywood seal on this subject. There are too many amazing stories from that day to leave its portrayals to documentaries alone.
Yes, someone may profit from this, or they may lose a boat load of money. My point is that someone believed enough in this project to take that risk. I like the fact that it was written by John McLoughlin who is a police officer (I assume NYPD, from the photos I\'ve seen). And I also like that O.Stone directed it. While Stone does get way outta control at times, I believe that his resume makes him a very logical choice.
I definitely want to see this movie, and hope that I can get to it while it is still in theaters (however I say that about 15 movies per year... and usually only make it to 4 or 5).
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I didn\'t lose any family, but I was working about 12 blocks away when it happened. I knew several people inside.
I bothers me to see people profitting off of this. Part of me wants to it lose money in the worst way as a big **** you to those greedy hollywood bastards.
The other part of me realizes that even here in CT people are forgetting this already, and maybe the country needs a reminder.
The way our government has abused this for their agenda\'s while our "national security" is still a joke is shameful.
I don\'t think I\'ll be able to watch the movie either way.
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I have seen many ads for this and haven\'t been sure how to feel about it. I personally didn\'t know anyone that died or was seriously effected by the event. My sister lived in the city at the time, but was on the other side of town. SO I guess to anyone who did have family they lost, is this too soon?