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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Overexjoesure on February 07, 2006, 04:17:16 pm
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as to the lights, i love \'em, but i also usually have my eyes closed
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esp at the Utica show, the light show behind my eyelids was better than any light show mankind could create
I think mankind helped create that lightshow. ;)
Thank You Albert Hoffman
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as to the lights, i love \'em, but i also usually have my eyes closed
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esp at the Utica show, the light show behind my eyelids was better than any light show mankind could create
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I have no concern with the lights, half the time I don\'t even remember they\'re there (could be due to the amount of consumed alcohol, who knows).
Last two times I flew in to see the band (when I was living in New England, Greg wasn\'t on lights yet), I don\'t remember much of the light show as it took a backseat to the booze. Looking forward to seeing Greg on tour, along with Leith\'s commentary throughout the shows ;) .
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GREG ELLlS RULEZ MY FUCKIN FACE!! YOUR LIGHTS OWN ME BABY!! PME ON LlGHTS ALERT! I LOVE YOUR MOM <3
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I\'ll say this in person in a few weeks but I just want to thank you Greg for taking the time to address the concerns of some of us relating to the lightshow you put on.
We know you did not need to bother letting us in on your "style " or what not. Just as we want the best from the 4 musicians we want the best from the support crew.
You are doing a fine job overall and I\'m sure I will have no complaints once you master your"style".
Well maybe one or two. ;)
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and here i was wondering ta thread about the new love lake\'s epicnees could possibly have made it to six pages. because, while its a cool tune, it is in no way epic. certainly not as it has been presented so far.
as to the lights, i love \'em, but i also usually have my eyes closed, so what do i know. a little front/ambient lighting would be decent, imho, but if that\'s not what you\'re going for, then ignore me. i\'ve run lights for theatre stage productions not bands, so i gladly bow out.
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like i put it to johnny upstate last night:
luckily, his light show is sort of the opposite of his poker game.
he\'s a pretty shitty poker player, but every once in a while he gets lucky and has a good game. he\'s pretty good on lights, but every once in a while he has a bad night and does a shitty job.
as a fan of the band, and someone who plays poker with him on a weekly basis, i am glad it\'s not the other way around. :D
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This is my last post on this matter:
I understand where everybody is coming from, I appreciate any and all constructive criticism. I am aware of my downfalls as well as my strengths, and I think about it constantly as to how to improve my part of the show. Until I have a complete rig to work with things will continue to be to some degree inconsistant as well as frustating to those of you who capture the bands performance on film. To those of you who enjoy my light show; thank you, to those of you who have useful tips; thank you, but if you feel any sort of dissapointment in what i do, all I can say is sorry, and I hope that the next time you see us I make up for it.
Bravo, Ellis, Bravo. That\'s a professional response right there. I have no concern with the lights, half the time I don\'t even remember they\'re there (could be due to the amount of consumed alcohol, who knows). But, either way, keep up the good work!
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This is my last post on this matter:
I understand where everybody is coming from, I appreciate any and all constructive criticism. I am aware of my downfalls as well as my strengths, and I think about it constantly as to how to improve my part of the show. Until I have a complete rig to work with things will continue to be to some degree inconsistant as well as frustating to those of you who capture the bands performance on film. To those of you who enjoy my light show; thank you, to those of you who have useful tips; thank you, but if you feel any sort of dissapointment in what i do, all I can say is sorry, and I hope that the next time you see us I make up for it.
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hey asshat shut it !!!! ;)
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im not trying to fuel the fire here, just add to the debate...
does anyone remember 8/6/04 at the knitting factory with seth wolfy on lights? he just had the white and orange house lights and did a great job and it was a light show that talked about on timmy tour for a couple weeks after as being pretty great. but its probably not a fair comparison because the band didnt have a lighting designer as part of the crew at that time. i shot video that night with paul and drew and i would really like to watch those tapes back to back with the most recent knitting factory.
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Love Lake is not so epic.
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maybe shitstorm was the wrong term but trierd to lighten things up and it came right back to where it was no big....rant away
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No way man this thread does not need to be a shitstorm. I did not say his lighting was still mundane and repetitive. I\'ll post that if it remains so, in a few weeks.
I mean I WAS tripping balls to the mind\'s wall I\'ll tell you what. So I could have been the one outta sync. I mean I was **** up!!!!!!!!
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well I tried to lighten this thread up but I guess I failed miserably, aaahhh well let the shitstorm return
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I didn\'t realize this thread was a serious discussion of lights.
I was just breaking balls.
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its funny how people get amnesia when they have to prove a point. Could you remind me how good the sound was at UAC?
P.S. Im not trying to bash dobz on this one, im just saying that its a freaking roller coaster ride with these guys and its not a smooth one to say the least.
Yeah Ok I\'ll give you that to a certain extent. I thought he did an absolutely fabulous job overcoming the problems he faced that night. Besides it is not a venue set up specifically for rock shows so in light of that fact I would say once again an excellent sound achieved.
its funny how people get amnesia when they have to prove a point. Could you remind me how good the sound was at UAC?
P.S. Im not trying to bash dobz on this one, im just saying that its a freaking roller coaster ride with these guys and its not a smooth one to say the least.
:that: as we found out in Utica... leith, don\'t u remember Greg\'s lights @ the Electric Co.? I\'m sure they were "psychedelic" enough back then ... I didn\'t hear u complain about them AT ALL from your spot on the couch ;) :lol:
Well I am going to be real truthful here. I remember his lighting so well it is one of the things I have been biting my tongue about.
In the state I was in it occured to me how mundane and repetitive his lighting was. I thought his use of certain colors was totally out of sync w/ the mood of the music and I could not get out of my head how much he likes to pan wildly to create motion when he really does not need to. I can go on in this vein but why bother I\'ll end this bit by saying I did see some things that gave me some hope for his lightshow.
I was knocked around hard by the music being created so you have to take it all w/ that in mind.
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pnuemonia (sp?) ;)
p-n-E-U-m-o-n-i-a
ahh soo close too
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its funny how people get amnesia when they have to prove a point. Could you remind me how good the sound was at UAC?
P.S. Im not trying to bash dobz on this one, im just saying that its a freaking roller coaster ride with these guys and its not a smooth one to say the least.
:that: as we found out in Utica... leith, don\'t u remember Greg\'s lights @ the Electric Co.? I\'m sure they were "psychedelic" enough back then ... I didn\'t hear u complain about them AT ALL from your spot on the couch ;) :lol:
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pnuemonia (sp?) ;)
p-n-E-U-m-o-n-i-a
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I thought he was stuck in a catatonic psychotropic cosmic bliss.....dying to see the light ;)
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its funny how people get amnesia when they have to prove a point. Could you remind me how good the sound was at UAC?
P.S. Im not trying to bash dobz on this one, im just saying that its a freaking roller coaster ride with these guys and its not a smooth one to say the least.
Leith doesn\'t remember UACIII he was the eskimo huddled in the corner with pnuemonia (sp?) ;)
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I knew this thread was a shitstorm in the making...
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its funny how people get amnesia when they have to prove a point. Could you remind me how good the sound was at UAC?
P.S. Im not trying to bash dobz on this one, im just saying that its a freaking roller coaster ride with these guys and its not a smooth one to say the least.
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Well, not to sound defensive, but if you have never toured with a band before, than you do not know what it is like using different lights, boards, stage arrangements and such each and every night. It is impossible to be consistant when nothing in my department is concsistant, just like you don\'t have consistant sound everynight.There is way too much grey area here and I\'m not sure you understand that.
Well to clue you in I have toured w/ a band, it was 5 years ago but the road is the same now I am sure. I also run lights in various clubs around town and up and down the coast. Yeah every night is different but that is where you show your stuff. Every Breakfast show I have been to the sound has been excellent and Dobs shows why he is one of the best Sound Engineers around.
No reason you can not do the same.
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I\'d sell both my nuts for consistent sound...
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Well, not to sound defensive, but if you have never toured with a band before, than you do not know what it is like using different lights, boards, stage arrangements and such each and every night. It is impossible to be consistant when nothing in my department is concsistant, just like you don\'t have consistant sound everynight.There is way too much grey area here and I\'m not sure you understand that.
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Leith i find it interesting that you give me so much ****, when i heard that when you worked with the band out in your neck of the woods you had coffee(par)cans. Oh, and side note, Andi Watson was their ld even back then. And, in 97 he got in trouble by Mtv for not using enough front light for the 10 spot show, but did he or the band care? When the time comes you will understand what it is i am trying to acheive, for now, its hit or miss but i would rather be great sometimes, and shitty other times, than good all the time.
You can look @ it as giving you **** or you can take it for what it is, a more experienced LD trying to offer you advice on how to use what you have now and not to depend on what you may have in the future.
Yeah all I used was club lighting for one gig and BS intellabeams for another.
Point is I was able to give the band a great show and if I remember correctly Dobs said and I quote" You have as good a light show as in any Arena show"
As for hit or miss that is bs. The stage is not a place to practice. You should bring your "A" game each time just like the band. If that means good all the time fine. That will eventually turn into great all the time."Shitty sometimes" just should not be acceptable. If you think so you have no idea what it takes and I was mistaken about your potential.
Lieth you can be suck a hard ass sometimes..... it\'s funny because by the end you end up being a diplomat.
Yeah I really need to work on that.
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Lieth you can be suck a hard ass sometimes..... it\'s funny because by the end you end up being a diplomat.
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If the band is happy with him, then i don\'t see why he has to deal with **** from the fans. if he had more money, there would be a better lightshow. Give the kid a break
More money does not mean better light show. As for taking **** from fans well he will have to develop a thicker skin. Chris Kuroda is one of the best lighting designers around and he STILL gets flack from people.
Most of it is from those that do not know lighting.
I figure Greg is lucky to have fans of the band that can offer some informed opinions and push him to explore more of what he has.
The thing is he is learning still and the band is in full flight. He does have a lot of catching up to do and the saving grace is he understands that.
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Leith i find it interesting that you give me so much ****, when i heard that when you worked with the band out in your neck of the woods you had coffee(par)cans. Oh, and side note, Andi Watson was their ld even back then. And, in 97 he got in trouble by Mtv for not using enough front light for the 10 spot show, but did he or the band care? When the time comes you will understand what it is i am trying to acheive, for now, its hit or miss but i would rather be great sometimes, and shitty other times, than good all the time.
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I have no problems. i love the lights, i make them work out. especially from what we all saw no more than a year ago. and loving the lights lower and horizontally. my only request is more Ron light, i think sometimes he purposely finds the darkest part of the stage. how about two lights in front on either side of the stage and two on either side of Animal. i don\'t know........ not my place
[BANANA]^^^^^^^^^^^^^^[/BANANA]
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If the band is happy with him, then i don\'t see why he has to deal with **** from the fans. if he had more money, there would be a better lightshow. Give the kid a break
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Yeah i think subpar is a better word. I was just a bit hot. Edited for peace
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wow ouch... jeepers Leith... that just rammed a redhot iron fire poker up the ass of constructive criticism...
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I didn\'t realize this thread was a serious discussion of lights.
I was just breaking balls.
Yeah I know thus my LOL but I just could not resist continuing my post.
I have been holding alot in on this issue and it is about time I vented. It really pisses me off when I see a subpar light show for a ripping band. That\'s all.
Oh and that is not to say every show by Greg is subpar. I am sure he blows people away each and every night he works.
Just not me.
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I didn\'t realize this thread was a serious discussion of lights.
I was just breaking balls.
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The Light Show Takes Away From The Music!
LOL
The thing is if the subject is being discussed then the LD is not doing his job as well as can be.
The Sound engineer and Lighting designer should never come up in a discussion about a show in any way other than the band sounded and looked good.
One\'s lighting style has to fit the band and cannot be forced. The style has to be beneficial to the band and if there are complaints from the fans who pay good money they should be listened to.
Gregg in his post basically said he is going to keep doing things his way and too bad for anyone else. He did say it nicely though.
Oh and one last thing the Radiohead DVD he mentions is from 12 years ago and that LD is no longer w/ them. Radiohead\'s show now consists of PLENTY of uplighting and front stage wash. hmm Wonder why?
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The Light Show Takes Away From The Music!
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its funny you say that, because i have running my lights from the ground on a horizontal plane and trying things out that way. Its been interesting trying different positions, and i feel like it might take another 6 months before i actually find what im lookin for
6 months? w/ those lights? Come on. There is not THAT much to ponder w/ those pieces. They have what 11 colors and 7 gobos? What is there to look for?
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i caught wind of this thread a couple of days ago, and i would just like to say the following:
1: I do not always have front light, and if i do, i almost always use it as much as i see fit, since most if the time its just white wash in the front i tend to leave it out unless they are singing.
2: I apologize to all photographers that have a hard time with my style, but until there is more money in the light fund, and in turn more equipment, there will continue to be numerous "dark" moments.
3: I am very capable of running conventionals and my lights at the same time leith, using the puppethouse as an example, is a very low blow in my opinion as im sure you saw what i was working with and you more than anybody should be understanding of what i was dealing with there.
4(and most important imo): I would like to refer all of you who feel my style unacceptable to a couple of dvds that I have found most reassuring to my self. The latest Radiohead show from 94 in London, and Primus\' Hallucinogenics show are both prime examples of bands with ld\'s that prefer not to use a lot of front light. It is a stylistic decision and one that I along with many other people use to convey an idea of wholeness as oppossed spotlighting somebody everytime they solo. It is something I have thought about for as long as I\'ve been doing this, and am very happy with the results. Hell, Radiohead\'s LD does the same thing, and they sell more tickets than just anybody on the planet in the last five years at least.
To those who feel I still need improvement, I wholeheartedly agree with you, I feel like every show i get a little better, but still have much improvement to go, but to those who do not enjoy my stylistic decisions, sorry, but that will not change anytime soon. So, I hope you all enjoy the show as much as I do, and look foward to seeing you all at the shows...
I have no problems. i love the lights, i make them work out. especially from what we all saw no more than a year ago. and loving the lights lower and horizontally. my only request is more Ron light, i think sometimes he purposely finds the darkest part of the stage. how about two lights in front on either side of the stage and two on either side of Animal. i don\'t know........ not my place
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its funny you say that, because i have running my lights from the ground on a horizontal plane and trying things out that way. Its been interesting trying different positions, and i feel like it might take another 6 months before i actually find what im lookin for
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i caught wind of this thread a couple of days ago, and i would just like to say the following:
1: I do not always have front light, and if i do, i almost always use it as much as i see fit, since most if the time its just white wash in the front i tend to leave it out unless they are singing.
2: I apologize to all photographers that have a hard time with my style, but until there is more money in the light fund, and in turn more equipment, there will continue to be numerous "dark" moments.
3: I am very capable of running conventionals and my lights at the same time leith, using the puppethouse as an example, is a very low blow in my opinion as im sure you saw what i was working with and you more than anybody should be understanding of what i was dealing with there.
4(and most important imo): I would like to refer all of you who feel my style unacceptable to a couple of dvds that I have found most reassuring to my self. The latest Radiohead show from 94 in London, and Primus\' Hallucinogenics show are both prime examples of bands with ld\'s that prefer not to use a lot of front light. It is a stylistic decision and one that I along with many other people use to convey an idea of wholeness as oppossed spotlighting somebody everytime they solo. It is something I have thought about for as long as I\'ve been doing this, and am very happy with the results. Hell, Radiohead\'s LD does the same thing, and they sell more tickets than just anybody on the planet in the last five years at least.
To those who feel I still need improvement, I wholeheartedly agree with you, I feel like every show i get a little better, but still have much improvement to go, but to those who do not enjoy my stylistic decisions, sorry, but that will not change anytime soon. So, I hope you all enjoy the show as much as I do, and look foward to seeing you all at the shows...
1. Buy some CTO and your front white wash will be way more acceptable to you for sure.
2.# 1 would help this one out.
3. Sorry
4. I know it is your style and we have discussed what I think of it. The difference is you are not Andy(Radiohead\'s LD) and do not have the equipment he does. I do think you have an idea of what you are trying to do but I think it is sometimes more in your mind\'s eye and does not translate to the aud. w/ the lights you currently have. I am sure in places like Toad\'s w/ movers and a sweet board you are better able to translate your vision.
As for your movers now, I think you could use a little more variety in your gobo washes and try placing your lights on a horizontal plane and get a wider wash across the stage. I think you could use one as back lighting (gobos on the wall or backdrop are always cool.
Anyway We all appreciate your work.
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i caught wind of this thread a couple of days ago, and i would just like to say the following:
1: I do not always have front light, and if i do, i almost always use it as much as i see fit, since most if the time its just white wash in the front i tend to leave it out unless they are singing.
2: I apologize to all photographers that have a hard time with my style, but until there is more money in the light fund, and in turn more equipment, there will continue to be numerous "dark" moments.
3: I am very capable of running conventionals and my lights at the same time leith, using the puppethouse as an example, is a very low blow in my opinion as im sure you saw what i was working with and you more than anybody should be understanding of what i was dealing with there.
4(and most important imo): I would like to refer all of you who feel my style unacceptable to a couple of dvds that I have found most reassuring to my self. The latest Radiohead show from 94 in London, and Primus\' Hallucinogenics show are both prime examples of bands with ld\'s that prefer not to use a lot of front light. It is a stylistic decision and one that I along with many other people use to convey an idea of wholeness as oppossed spotlighting somebody everytime they solo. It is something I have thought about for as long as I\'ve been doing this, and am very happy with the results. Hell, Radiohead\'s LD does the same thing, and they sell more tickets than just anybody on the planet in the last five years at least.
To those who feel I still need improvement, I wholeheartedly agree with you, I feel like every show i get a little better, but still have much improvement to go, but to those who do not enjoy my stylistic decisions, sorry, but that will not change anytime soon. So, I hope you all enjoy the show as much as I do, and look foward to seeing you all at the shows...
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I thought it was just Leith and I that complained about leaving Timmy in the dark when he is melting faces. As a designer you have to remember that if your name is not on the playbill then people are primarily here to see the band not your lights. You are just gravy. Tasty gravy, but gravy nonetheless.
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Leith was neither bashing Greg nor being rude...
I\'m pretty much just fuckin with him at this point Leith knows I love him! :biggrin:
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Love Love Lake.. don\'t love Gypsy Girl... Leith was neither bashing Greg nor being rude... BRING BACK KOTE!
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i think it sounded great. i wouldn\'t say epic, but definitly wouldn\'t be a cigarette break... or now that i dont smoke, a fresh air break.
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is this song being made a big deal because it was brought off the shelf? cause to me, it def doesnt not get the job done. why unshelve this song i guess is what i am getting at. does nothing for me and after listening to the show, is one of the lower points musically on the discs.
just my .02 flame away if you want to.
:holyshit: SER? j/k, to each his own. i for one love love lake. It is a good throwback to old pb song, which i cant get enough of. i don\'t really think the Breakfast should shelf any of their songs, just play some more rarely then others.
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Gypsy Girl needs to return because there are few jams as jazzy in the current rotation. Also Jordan\'s piano work is beautiful, check out 1/26/01 for proof.
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Kote and Gypsy Girl BOTH need to return...
Kote needs to return because they completely destroy it.
Gypsy Girl needs to return because there are few jams as jazzy in the current rotation. Also Jordan\'s piano work is beautiful, check out 1/26/01 for proof.
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You seem to think I have not offered advice. I HAVE!!
I have personally face to face talked to him about what he can do to improve his lighting the band. He has never responded to any PM\'s I have sent and basically has ignored my advice.
I keep my mouth shut usually about this subject but seeing as I have 10 years experience lighting bands and have lit(actually in more ways than one;)) The Breakfast myself, I think I know what I am talking about.
Oh and btw I Like Gregg and think he does have potential to be an excellent LD.
honestly he\'s rarley on these days haven\'t seen him post in ages,
so he doesn\'t answer you so you come on here and "bash" him?
No dude I am not bashing him. I made a comment that I wish I could see the band.
Others commented that they agreed. I then clarified for Derick that Ellis does have front lighting, just does not use it.
Then I was told to offer advice so I posted how I have. That\'s all.
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You seem to think I have not offered advice. I HAVE!!
I have personally face to face talked to him about what he can do to improve his lighting the band. He has never responded to any PM\'s I have sent and basically has ignored my advice.
I keep my mouth shut usually about this subject but seeing as I have 10 years experience lighting bands and have lit(actually in more ways than one;)) The Breakfast myself, I think I know what I am talking about.
Oh and btw I Like Gregg and think he does have potential to be an excellent LD.
honestly he\'s rarley on these days haven\'t seen him post in ages,
so he doesn\'t answer you so you come on here and "bash" him?
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Whenever I did lighting I always kept some kind of constant ambient light so the band/artists were lit at all times. Then I would play along with the music........and it was some of the most fun I\'ve ever had in my life.
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Ellis, hook up the front lighting please. a simple strand of LED lights at the front of the stage would do wonders. i have blue ones around my bar that light up my whole room.
No the problem is not that he does not HAVE the front lighting. He does.
He just does not know how to use conventionals ALONG w/ his movers.
It has always been a problem for him since The Puppethouse and if he has not gotten a clue yet, I doubt he will. :sigh:
is this song being made a big deal because it was brought off the shelf? cause to me, it def doesnt not get the job done. why unshelve this song i guess is what i am getting at. does nothing for me and after listening to the show, is one of the lower points musically on the discs.
just my .02 flame away if you want to.
Yes that is the only reason.
I also do not think it\'s all that, but it is nice to have them bring back a song old school fans like and that they can reinterpet as The Breakfast.
I know nothing about working lighting rigs but i do know what i have to deal with and some ambient light is not a bad thing every now and then. But i appreciate what we have now compared to what was. leaps and bounds my friends, leaps and bounds
hey Leith, easy on the harsh negative criticisms, try offering some advise rather than put people on the defensive. cheer up man the glass is half full.
You seem to think I have not offered advice. I HAVE!!
I have personally face to face talked to him about what he can do to improve his lighting the band. He has never responded to any PM\'s I have sent and basically has ignored my advice.
I keep my mouth shut usually about this subject but seeing as I have 10 years experience lighting bands and have lit(actually in more ways than one;)) The Breakfast myself, I think I know what I am talking about.
Oh and btw I Like Gregg and think he does have potential to be an excellent LD.
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Ok, I was just really impressed with how they reworked it, but I will state once more IT IS A JAM VEHICLE!! Kote and Gypsy Girl BOTH need to return...
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But i appreciate what we have now compared to what was. leaps and bounds my friends, leaps and bounds
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hey Leith, easy on the harsh negative criticisms, try offering some advise rather than put people on the defensive. cheer up man the glass is half full.
and :that:
:that: and that shaking head smiley makes it look that much worse :lol:
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But i appreciate what we have now compared to what was. leaps and bounds my friends, leaps and bounds
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hey Leith, easy on the harsh negative criticisms, try offering some advise rather than put people on the defensive. cheer up man the glass is half full.
and :that:
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yeah, i gotta go w/ colin on this one. Epic is a drastic overstatement. I\'d use that term for Buquebus or Rufus, but Love Lake? I dunno about that. I\'d rather them bring back Kote, which I wouldn\'t call epic either, but I have more fun w/ that tune. Gypsy Girl, I can do w/o.
love Kote great tune! (let\'s start an untrue rumor about that) I love "Love Lake" but yeah not epic but a great tune none the less
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Gypsy Girl, I can do w/o.
:thumbsdow :sadban:
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Ellis, hook up the front lighting please. a simple strand of LED lights at the front of the stage would do wonders. i have blue ones around my bar that light up my whole room.
No the problem is not that he does not HAVE the front lighting. He does.
He just does not know how to use conventionals ALONG w/ his movers.
It has always been a problem for him since The Puppethouse and if he has not gotten a clue yet, I doubt he will. :sigh:
is this song being made a big deal because it was brought off the shelf? cause to me, it def doesnt not get the job done. why unshelve this song i guess is what i am getting at. does nothing for me and after listening to the show, is one of the lower points musically on the discs.
just my .02 flame away if you want to.
Yes that is the only reason.
I also do not think it\'s all that, but it is nice to have them bring back a song old school fans like and that they can reinterpet as The Breakfast.
I know nothing about working lighting rigs but i do know what i have to deal with and some ambient light is not a bad thing every now and then. But i appreciate what we have now compared to what was. leaps and bounds my friends, leaps and bounds
hey Leith, easy on the harsh negative criticisms, try offering some advise rather than put people on the defensive. cheer up man the glass is half full.
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yeah, i gotta go w/ colin on this one. Epic is a drastic overstatement. I\'d use that term for Buquebus or Rufus, but Love Lake? I dunno about that. I\'d rather them bring back Kote, which I wouldn\'t call epic either, but I have more fun w/ that tune. Gypsy Girl, I can do w/o.
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You havent swam in the Love Lake yet......
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eitherway, i def think "Epic" was the wrong choice of words.....
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No, It has nothing to do with what you said (coughLEITHcough). To each his own. You just need to sink into "Love Lake", I\'m sure if they keep on playing it eventually it will own your face. Because my dear friend, "Love Lake" in fact is a sick jam launcher......
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because of what i said, TreyChica? i mean, i can see the old PBers diggin on it since its been retired for so long, but would they want to hear it everyother show? i certainly wouldnt......
as far a those ballad type songs go, i would rather hear Good Things.
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I feel a shitstorm coming on soon...
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Ellis, hook up the front lighting please. a simple strand of LED lights at the front of the stage would do wonders. i have blue ones around my bar that light up my whole room.
No the problem is not that he does not HAVE the front lighting. He does.
He just does not know how to use conventionals ALONG w/ his movers.
It has always been a problem for him since The Puppethouse and if he has not gotten a clue yet, I doubt he will. :sigh:
is this song being made a big deal because it was brought off the shelf? cause to me, it def doesnt not get the job done. why unshelve this song i guess is what i am getting at. does nothing for me and after listening to the show, is one of the lower points musically on the discs.
just my .02 flame away if you want to.
Yes that is the only reason.
I also do not think it\'s all that, but it is nice to have them bring back a song old school fans like and that they can reinterpet as The Breakfast.
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is this song being made a big deal because it was brought off the shelf? cause to me, it def doesnt not get the job done. why unshelve this song i guess is what i am getting at. does nothing for me and after listening to the show, is one of the lower points musically on the discs.
just my .02 flame away if you want to.
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Ellis, hook up the front lighting please. a simple strand of LED lights at the front of the stage would do wonders. i have blue ones around my bar that light up my whole room.
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I do not want to criticize too much as I know it will be looked upon as Sour Grapes.
Preposterous ;)
What\'s preposterous is Tim ripping into a solo and he\'s in the Dark!!
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I have commented numerous times on the lack of front lighting. The intellies are awesome, but just a little front lighting would help sooooo much for photos. I can\'t even begin to count how may times I\'ve watched a great moment pass by in the darkness.
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yeah, the knit was a VERY dark show. there were times when tim was doing some really cool stuff (lifting the guitar up into the air, etc), but no one could see it, because there was no front lighting..
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looks great chris, i agree with leith about the lights. those intelligent lights are off the hook, but sometimes using them alone makes it really difficult to actually see the guys. just my two cents.
That\'s all I am saying. I do not want to criticize too much as I know it will be looked upon as Sour Grapes.
.agreed from a photographers stand point. I do everything i can just to get the shots i have.
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I do not want to criticize too much as I know it will be looked upon as Sour Grapes.
Preposterous ;)
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looks great chris, i agree with leith about the lights. those intelligent lights are off the hook, but sometimes using them alone makes it really difficult to actually see the guys. just my two cents.
talk to ellis....
i still have more work to do. its not as bad on the wide shot. i just didnt want one static shot for such a long time on the dark part. im going to figure something else out for the dvd, but i thought people would like to see this now.
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looks great chris, i agree with leith about the lights. those intelligent lights are off the hook, but sometimes using them alone makes it really difficult to actually see the guys. just my two cents.
That\'s all I am saying. I do not want to criticize too much as I know it will be looked upon as Sour Grapes.
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looks great chris, i agree with leith about the lights. those intelligent lights are off the hook, but sometimes using them alone makes it really difficult to actually see the guys. just my two cents.
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go here and download divx.
http://download.divx.com/divx/DivXPlay.exe
when you are installing it you only need the codec, not the player. you can uncheck the divx player and install it. then it will play in media player.
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You just need the latest divix codec.. If you have it then it should play in windows media.
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Will the video play in Media Player or do you need another program? Of course the audio was enough for :drool:
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Thanx Chris.
Wish I could see the band more.
Gregg keeps the stage so dark all the time.:sigh:
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I\'m really enjoying this. Thanks a lot....
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Love Lake @ Knitting Factory (http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0QWWH3I3CEDLK08FMLRGHHW0DB) .AVI DIVX - 40 mb
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TOTALLY Love Lake over Good Things.... Psygn is great in its own right, no need to compare.
Yeah Dave I miss those nursery rhyme swoonings at the end as well....
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the only thing i miss is the harmonies at the end (not a dream, not a dream, it\'s nooot a dream/lake of love is not a dree-ee-eam), but i\'m just glad it\'s back!
FWIW, tim *did* get the lyrics right during soundcheck..
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I think it is good but it is an example of the way they used to write songs which I dig but I dig their style now.
I\'ll take a \'Love Lake\' over a \'Good Things\' any day of the week, though both Joe and I love the 2001 PB era in particular.
Like I said to each his own.
Would you take it over a Psygn?
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I think it is good but it is an example of the way they used to write songs which I dig but I dig their style now.
I\'ll take a \'Love Lake\' over a \'Good Things\' any day of the week, though both Joe and I love the 2001 PB era in particular.
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Yeah, I just finished listening to the Knit show.. Love Lake was definitely one of the highlights for me. Sounded a little reworked from what it sounded like 5 or 6 years back. Hopefully this one will stick in the rotation.
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Epic? Really?
I found it to be really good but Epic?
To each his own.
Joe just to clarify my position. I think it is good but it is an example of the way they used to write songs which I dig but I dig their style now. The last time they played it was 3 months before I saw the band for the 1st time and when I saw them they were most def. in the middle of one of their many transitions as a growing band. The thing I like about this revival is the way the song proper sounds so like PB yet the jamming is all Breakfast.
I do look forward to hearing it grow as a Breakfast song.
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I just got done listening and felt this song\'s praise needs a whole entire thread. By the way Dave THIS recording sounds great, PERFECT levels. Really dig the ending before the blues finale. I hope it makes it back into rotation!!! Now bring back Kote!!!