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General Discussions => Spunk => Topic started by: Mamalakabubadaya on December 20, 2005, 11:36:48 am
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Something always going on in NYC.........The city that can\'t sleep, because the humane race won\'t let it......oh well
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Old Homestead is definitely worth the walk.
Fastest commute ever to work for me today.
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As I was heading to GCS, I saw a couple buses running. But cabbies were still raping their passangers w/ $10 - $15 per person even if you were all going to the same place. But after the 3 mile walk downtown and a PHAT steak @ the Old Homestead there was no way in hell I was walking back up town.
The overall traffic situation was ugly. Whether on foot or in a car. Mass traffic any time you were running north or south. Metro north was also packed to the gills. Stood all the way home from GCS.
But man was that steak good... wish I was eating it right now!
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Day 3
Wake up to find out that the strike is over. All workers are to report for their next work shift. Busses might be running tonight and trains should be back up and running tomorrow morning! Nice to see that they are going to give people credit for three days on their unlimited metro cards. As a monthly card holder I appreciate that.
I ended up taking today off from work to help my wife with some stuff around the house. Missing out on another commute through traffic was a bonus. I definitely prefer watching the news about the strike instead of being part of it.
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all i know is that she walked 30+ blocks to work yesterday.
oh please, I take 30 block walks on my lunchbreak, then get home and run 3 miles to gym > workout > run 3 miles home.
Hey Bragger Vance, should I use an 8 or 9 iron on this shot?
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all i know is that she walked 30+ blocks to work yesterday.
oh please, I take 30 block walks on my lunchbreak, then get home and run 3 miles to gym > workout > run 3 miles home.
Hero!
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all i know is that she walked 30+ blocks to work yesterday.
oh please, I take 30 block walks on my lunchbreak, then get home and run 3 miles to gym > workout > run 3 miles home.
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Slim,
Good luck...
plainandsimple
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There really is a Food Convention tomorrow, right?
LOL! No. I\'m just meeting a couple friends for dinner in the city.
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There really is a Food Convention tomorrow, right?
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I imagine that hotels are booked solid.
Slim, You going shopping in the city? or Sex In The City?
Nope. Fat Guy Eating Convention!
got extra-extra room?
When the restaurant sees you, me, my buddy Joey Bag\'o\'donuts and his brother Dr. Dom walkin\' in, people are gonna start to sweat.
Bus leaves stratford @ noon.
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I imagine that hotels are booked solid.
Slim, You going shopping in the city? or Sex In The City?
Nope. Fat Guy Eating Convention!
got extra-extra room?
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I imagine that hotels are booked solid.
Slim, You going shopping in the city? or Sex In The City?
Nope. Fat Guy Eating Convention!
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At this point i\'m glad I live in the suburbs..
Wonder what kind of things are going on in the streets during the morning and afternoon commute. Just people everywhere......Feel bad for the people with social anxiety
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paul mccartneys best album in decades..
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I imagine that hotels are booked solid.
Slim, You going shopping in the city? or Sex In The City?
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i like the daily diary idea too. beats the bitchy calls i keep on getting from my sister who lives on the lower east side and works in midtown. all i know is that she walked 30+ blocks to work yesterday and stayed at a friend\'s apt that is closer to her office last night so that her commute wouldn\'t be as shitty today.
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I\'m headin\' into the city tomorrow. Kinda lookin\' forward to checking out the chaos.
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Can we expect a daily diary from you? I\'m kinda liking the 1st hand experience counters from people I know.
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Day 2 --- Wednesday 12/21
Got a ride in with a friend today. We left my house shortly after 11 AM when the HOV restrictions ended. Bad move, all of the delivery trucks started making deliveries at 11 and the streets were clogged. It took us two hours and forty-five minutes today as opposed to an hour forty-five yesterday. So far I have seen 4 rollerbladers almost eat pavement or get hit/run into vehicles. If you don\'t blade more than twice a month don\'t pull your skates out of the closet and try to commute over thirty blocks.
I have started to contemplate taking the rest of the week off since I am going on vacation for a week after Xmas. It pays to have a good relationship with your employer.
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I wouldn\'t be surprised if some did, however, if they did and the union/management settle this, those workers might want to find a new job anyway.
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Where\'d you hear that from? I have not found any on-line article to support that. If you have a link, please post it, brah!
thought i heard it on the news this morning... i look for a link
edit: me = FOS
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Where\'d you hear that from? I have not found any on-line article to support that. If you have a link, please post it, brah!
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didn\'t a ton cross the line today?
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I can tell you right now that most of the workers are pissing their pants wondering how they are gonna pay for all their gifts this year and praying the strike lasts less than a few days.
yeah they get docked two days pay for every day they\'re on strike. shitty. this is really kind of a lose lose situation. although i\'ve discovered how much i enjoy the walk to work from grand central, even in the freezing cold.
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After reading up on this issue, I\'ve come to a few conclusions:
1. the unions greedy
2. the MTA is poorly structured and inefficient
3. while the strike made for good tv today, i\'ve become quickly bored with it.
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They do not have the right to strike. It\'s illegal. It\'s also extremely dangerous. Ambulances, fire trucks, and police cars will be sitting in increased street traffic with everyone else. Also, there are a lot of old folks who need the buses to get around. Walking more than a block or two would take them all day, if they even made it. They\'re not going to be able to get the basic things they need. In addition, any wacko who breaks into the subway (not hard) would have free run of the whole thing and could walk down the tunnels from station to station doing whatever lovely bomb planting or sabotaging they like. Defintiely a sticky situation.
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You are right obsession600. There had to have been other options besides a full strike and ones that could have been negotiated on the bargining table. It is a tough situation and without a full idea of the entire situation, I am bowing out of this conversation. However, I may still talk some crazy **** to get people going and test their knowledge. ;)
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No they do not have every right to strike. What they are doing is illegal. They are PUBLIC servants and they KNOW this taking the job. Holding the public hostage is ridiculous.
They also have options besides a full strike. They could slow down the whole system or simply shut down designated lines each day in rotation. I experienced this in Paris a few years back it was a pain in the neck but manageable even for a tourist.
My parents and my nephew are coming to visit after Xmas. If the strike is still happening I am going to be pissed!
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Someones got balls.
Anyone know for a fact when they last got a pay raise and what they make?
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In that case, the union has some serious balls and its members must know fully well what they got themselves into.
26% is definitely high and I never agreed with a raise that high but there has to be a middle of the road. Can\'t they take lets say for argument sake, 15%.
NO what that shows is the union leadership has balls. I can tell you right now that most of the workers are pissing their pants wondering how they are gonna pay for all their gifts this year and praying the strike lasts less than a few days.
Any pay raise over 15% over a 3 yr period def. needs negotiation in most job markets these days so who knows?
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In that case, the union has some serious balls and its members must know fully well what they got themselves into.
26% is definitely high and I never agreed with a raise that high but there has to be a middle of the road. Can\'t they take lets say for argument sake, 15%.
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Well there ya go.
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I was unaware of the Taylor Law and I will admit I did not read the first post as I have been watching the news all morning.
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Didn\'t a judge sometime last week deny that the union could not strike?
From the text in the 1st post.
The strike defies the Taylor Law, which forbids public employees from walking off the job. The law imposes a fine of two days\' pay for each day of an illegal strike.
In addition, the union could be fined millions of dollars a day.
The union and the more than 30,000 members of Local 100 also risk contempt for defying a court injunction last week barring the strike.
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg called the strike "illegal and morally reprehensible" and said the union faces severe consequences.
"This is not only an affront to the concept of public service, it is a cowardly attempt by Roger Toussaint and the TWU to bring the city to its knees to create leverage for their own bargaining position," Bloomberg said at a news conference Monday night. (Watch the mayor vow to hit the union hard -- 3:12)
New York Gov. George Pataki echoed those sentiments, saying union members "are also recklessly endangering the health and safety of each and every New Yorker."
The chairman of the Metropolitan Transit Authority, Peter Kalikow, said its lawyers and New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer will begin with contempt proceedings against the union.
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Didn\'t a judge sometime last week deny that the union could not strike?
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The TWU is in violation of the law and spitzer et al are already filing motions against the union. The union is denied the right to strike according to the law and to piggyback on leiths analogy about reagan, bloomberg is talking about hurting the union much like reagan did.
The problem is two-fold however. The MTA is so mismanaged I feel for the workers but asking for 26% raises and the salaries these folks make is pretty big for doing a job that really doesn\'t require skills.
Getting paid 40k+ to sweep train platforms and that kind of stuff is huge money. On top of that they want the garuntee of retirement at 55 with full medical benefits.
Their gig is almost as good or better than being a postal worker.
I would be lucky if someone garunteed me anything in this world.
The mismanagement is crazy. they were caught cooking the books just 2 years ago when they tried to raise the rates. a Judge put a temp hold on it but eventualy it went through. Commuters are the ones that end up suffering. We get ever increasing rates with ever decreasing services.
They have removed ticket takers and put in automated machines for it but the prices didn\'t go down.
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no sense in arguing.
It is their constitutional right to strike. The public is inconvienced, yes. But, do the workers not have a right to stand up for their job and ask for money above inflation rate?
Why is it illegal what they are doing?
I think many people have no sense in what unions have accomplished for working class people. If you like weekends, thank the union. You like holidays, thank the union. The point is that in this country, if you don\'t like the way things are being done, its your right to fight. This country has gone sloth and has accepted it. Take a look at other countries, a country where they don\'t like there leader and most of the time, they go to the streets to protest. We hardly do that anymore in this country.
Apologize for the rant.
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They have every right to strike. And rightfully so, the transit workers haven\'t had a raise in a long time and the transit companys only want to give them a raise based on inflation. I know most people here say **** the common person but it is there right to strike if they feel they are not getting what they rightfully deserve. Put yourself in there shoes, what would you do?
And the timing of the strike is perfect. If the heads of transit want this to end then they know what to do.
No they do not have every right to strike. What they are doing is illegal. Just as Pres. Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers, in the \'80\'s, The Gov. of NY should do the same. It is one thing to use the union\'s power to get better wages. I am all for MOST unions. However in this case they are PUBLIC servants and they KNOW this taking the job. Holding the public hostage is ridiculous esp. in a city where mass transportation is sooo very important. They should all be brought up on contempt charges and fired!
just my thoughts.
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They have every right to strike. And rightfully so, the transit workers haven\'t had a raise in a long time and the transit companys only want to give them a raise based on inflation. I know most people here say **** the common person but it is there right to strike if they feel they are not getting what they rightfully deserve. Put yourself in there shoes, what would you do?
And the timing of the strike is perfect. If the heads of transit want this to end then they know what to do.
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fuckem all...
ill bury those cockroaches...
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;) Their wages are artificially high at present, inflating the costs incurred of those who use the system.
I used to make less than the ticket collectors on Boston trains when I worked in Boston\'s financial district.
Elaborate please.
Cause if you are saying that a "1st day on the job" ticket collector made more than you, a greenhorn in the boston financial district, then I agree, that would seem quite inflated.
But if you\'re saying that the median pay scale for ticket collectors, which includes folks that have been on the job for 30+ years, is higher than yours, I\'d say suck it up ROOKIE, because in 10 years you\'ll be making more money than that ticket collector will ever make in his/her life. And whenyou\'re 38 and thinking about buying a vacation home, Mr. ticket collector will only be earning 6% more than he did 10 years ago.
Slim, I think you mixed too much Socialism with your marijuana ;)
Hope to see you in Boston on Fri.
HAHA! You know it!
p.s. - i don\'t rock the weed.
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Their wages are artificially high at present, inflating the costs incurred of those who use the system.
I used to make less than the ticket collectors on Boston trains when I worked in Boston\'s financial district.
Elaborate please.
Cause if you are saying that a "1st day on the job" ticket collector made more than you, a greenhorn in the boston financial district, then I agree, that would seem quite inflated.
But if you\'re saying that the median pay scale for ticket collectors, which includes folks that have been on the job for 30+ years, is higher than yours, I\'d say suck it up ROOKIE, because in 10 years you\'ll be making more money than that ticket collector will ever make in his/her life. And whenyou\'re 38 and thinking about buying a vacation home, Mr. ticket collector will only be earning 6% more than he did 10 years ago.
Slim, I think you mixed too much Socialism with your marijuana ;)
Hope to see you in Boston on Fri.
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metro north was on schedule, so walking 20 blocks downtown from grand central was no biggie. i actually kinda enjoyed it and am going to consider making that a permanent thing (it\'ll save me $76 bucks a month)
you should have bought a bike a long time ago.
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metro north was on schedule, so walking 20 blocks downtown from grand central was no biggie. i actually kinda enjoyed it and am going to consider making that a permanent thing (it\'ll save me $76 bucks a month)
And if you can do it in December, it probably doesn\'t get much tougher over the course of the year.
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metro north was on schedule, so walking 20 blocks downtown from grand central was no biggie. i actually kinda enjoyed it and am going to consider making that a permanent thing (it\'ll save me $76 bucks a month)
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Their wages are artificially high at present, inflating the costs incurred of those who use the system.
I used to make less than the ticket collectors on Boston trains when I worked in Boston\'s financial district.
Elaborate please.
Cause if you are saying that a "1st day on the job" ticket collector made more than you, a greenhorn in the boston financial district, then I agree, that would seem quite inflated.
But if you\'re saying that the median pay scale for ticket collectors, which includes folks that have been on the job for 30+ years, is higher than yours, I\'d say suck it up ROOKIE, because in 10 years you\'ll be making more money than that ticket collector will ever make in his/her life. And whenyou\'re 38 and thinking about buying a vacation home, Mr. ticket collector will only be earning 6% more than he did 10 years ago.
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Their wages are artificially high at present, inflating the costs incurred of those who use the system.
I used to make less than the ticket collectors on Boston trains when I worked in Boston\'s financial district.
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My commute wasn\'t very bad. A co-worker of mine also lives in Queens and has a car. We dragged our significant others (who did not have to report to work in the city today) along with us so we met the 4 person minimum. Traffic was congested headed to Manhattan but we were never at a standstill and once we crossed the river the traffic was light. The girls had a very quick and easy commute back out after dropping us off.
A lot of people stayed home today and the majority of those that ventured out were very well behaved. How long everyone will keep such a good attitude is hard to say.
Most people that I have chatted with feel that the TWU is being unreasonable. There are two demands that they have made that seem outrageous; a 24% pay increase over three years, and a mandatory reduction of the number of disciplinary actions launched against transit workers.
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I almost had my Mass Media final cancelled because of this. The professor showed up with 5 minutes left until the dean of students was going to let us go (the rule is 45 minutes).
What an awful (and probably intentional) time of year for this.
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/12/20/nyc.transit/index.html
Strike shuts down NYC transit system
More than 7 million riders affected
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NEW YORK (CNN) -- More than 7 million passengers in New York City are having to find a new way of getting to work, do their holiday shopping and run their everyday errands.
For the first time in 25 years, New York\'s transit workers went on strike early Tuesday, shutting down the nation\'s largest public transportation system days ahead of Christmas.
The strike brings to a grinding halt Metropolitan Transit Authority buses and subways throughout all five boroughs.
"I think they all should get fired," Eddie Goncalves, a doorman trying to get home after his overnight shift, told The Associated Press. He said he\'ll likely spend an extra $30 per day in cab and train fares, according to the AP.
City officials have said a transit strike could cost the city as much as $400 million a day. (Read about the economic impact)
"Transit workers are tired of being underappreciated and disrespected," said Roger Toussaint, president of Local 100 of the Transport Workers Union.
The strike defies the Taylor Law, which forbids public employees from walking off the job. The law imposes a fine of two days\' pay for each day of an illegal strike.
In addition, the union could be fined millions of dollars a day.
The union and the more than 30,000 members of Local 100 also risk contempt for defying a court injunction last week barring the strike.
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg called the strike "illegal and morally reprehensible" and said the union faces severe consequences.
"This is not only an affront to the concept of public service, it is a cowardly attempt by Roger Toussaint and the TWU to bring the city to its knees to create leverage for their own bargaining position," Bloomberg said at a news conference Monday night. (Watch the mayor vow to hit the union hard -- 3:12)
New York Gov. George Pataki echoed those sentiments, saying union members "are also recklessly endangering the health and safety of each and every New Yorker."
The chairman of the Metropolitan Transit Authority, Peter Kalikow, said its lawyers and New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer will begin with contempt proceedings against the union.
No deal, no work
The city has implemented a strike contingency plan that requires carpooling and other travel restrictions. The city is prohibiting cars from entering most of Manhattan between 5 and 11 a.m. without at least four people in the vehicle.
Traffic was heavier than usual ahead of 5 a.m., with commuters trying to beat the deadline.
Schools also are starting two hours late.
Hours before the strike, Toussaint said transit workers were prepared to lower their wage increase demands from 8 percent to below 6 percent, if the MTA agreed to reduce the number of disciplinary actions launched against transit workers and grant other concessions.
Talks between the MTA and union leaders did not reach agreement on other key issues such as health benefits and pensions.
The vote to reject the MTA contract offer was 28-10, with five abstentions, said Ainsley Stewart, a Transport Workers Union vice president. (Watch the union leader announce the strike -- 3:55)
Toussaint called on Pataki and Bloomberg to play a constructive role in negotiations and restore state and city funds to the mass transit budget. He said that state funding has gone from 20 percent a decade ago "to zero for capital funding."
There were signs TWU workers will get support from union leaders for Metro-North railroad, the second-largest commuter railroad in the country that shuttles some 250,000 commuters in and out of Manhattan every day.
A leader of the Transportation Communications Union System Board No. 86 signaled solidarity with workers on the MTA system and complained that his members have been unsuccessful in negotiating a contract for three years.
"A similar situation is in store for the MTA\'s Metro-North property if a fair agreement is not reached," warned Russell Oathout, general chairman of No. 86, in a news conference.