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General Discussions => Tribal Funk Affliction => Topic started by: oldnewbie on November 22, 2005, 07:36:07 pm
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thanks.
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Right-click on WinAmp.
Select Options -> Preferences.
Under Plugins -> Output select Nullsoft Disk Writer plugin.
Double click the Nullsoft Disk Writer plugin and set the directory where you want the files written.
Click close
Open the vbr m3u playlist from LMA. The tracks will be written to disc as wav files.
Make sure to set the output back to waveOut Output when you are done.
These are the decompressed vbr mp3s. Not quite as good as getting the shn or flac files, but they are quite listenable. Just don\'t convert them back to mp3, or worse convert to shn or flac and redistribute.
You can also try bt.etree.org (http://bt.etree.org), gdlive.com (http://gdlive.com), shnflac.net (http://shnflac.net) or many other BT sites where you can still download soundboard recordings. The ban is only on LMA.
-Wayne
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how abouts do I go about doing that
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You can download audience recordings, but you can only stream soundboards. Of course you can always enable the disc writer output in WinAmp and write the streamed files to disc.
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looking to download some GD shows, still wondering what the deal with this **** is. I thought they allowed every GD that was there before to be able to be downloaded. I guess not. Every show I have looked at so far is only available for streaming, which I may add is a nice new feature they have for the archive. Just got done listening to The Breakfast 2006.07.21 from INDY sounds pretty nice. I like where they are going. Can\'t wait to see them tomorrow even if its at five in the afternoon because seeing the breakfast is a sign that the day has just begun and anything can happen
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Soundboards are still only streaming as far as I can tell.
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nicely done. available for download?
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sbds are back. get them before they take them away.
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i guess they are back up but i believe they are only mp3s im not sure.
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I am still amazed that some of them thought the downloads might cause too much competition for the official releases. All you have to do is slap a stealie or a dancing bear on anything and you are guaranteed thousands of sales. Have you seen the Almanac lately? Some of the merchandise they are selling is downright embarrassing.
Thanks for digging up those articles Dave.
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Billy never gave a rats ass about the Deadheads
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I figured Bob Wier was the driving force behind this... just chalk that up as another one of the infinite reasons why he SUCKS.
Boycott Ratdog!
Don\'t forget the Drummers. Freakin\' Billy goes from the "good guy" that never caused a ruckus to a $$ grubbing ****.
Mickey well I was wondering if he got any of his dad\'s genes. I guess they were recessive and just took old age to surface.
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I figured Bob Wier was the driving force behind this... just chalk that up as another one of the infinite reasons why he SUCKS.
Boycott Ratdog!
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sweet. just finished my download last nite.
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YEAH BABY!!!!!! just looked on archive and to add to this happy news, bfast FF7 10-29-05 is top 4 ohhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah
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That announcement on Phillesh.net made me so happy. Reading that with "Unbroken Chain" playing made me veru happy that not all of the greatest band ever have forgotten the memory and ethos of the Fatman. Man, music is so important to me that this has really been ruining my last couple of days...passions are great aren\'t they;) Phil here I come.
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It is so good to see the family can still get things done.
We ARE Everywhere!
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thanks dave for all your hard work!!!
peace my man
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well, looks like it\'s null and void now anyways...
Grateful Dead to allow free Web downloads (http://business.bostonherald.com/technologyNews/view.bg?articleid=115003)
Grateful Dead to allow free Web downloads
By Associated Press
Thursday, December 1, 2005 - Updated: 06:56 AM EST
SAN FRANCISCO -- What a short, strange trip it was. After the Grateful Dead angered some of its biggest fans by asking a nonprofit Web site to halt the free downloading of its concert recordings, the psychedelic jam band changed its mind Wednesday.
Internet Archive, a site that catalogues content on Web sites, reposted recordings of Grateful Dead concerts for download after the surviving members of the band decided to make them available again.
Band spokesman Dennis McNally said the group was swayed by the backlash from fans, who for decades have freely taped and traded the band?s live performances.
"The Grateful Dead remains as it always has - in favor of tape trading," McNally said.
He said the band consented to making audience recordings available for download again, although live recordings made directly from concert soundboards, which are the legal property of the Grateful Dead, should only be made available for listening from now on.
The soundboard recordings are "very much part of their legacy, and their rights need to be protected," McNally said.
Representatives for the band earlier this month had directed the Internet Archive to stop making recordings of the group?s concerts available for download. But fans quickly initiated an online petition that argued the band shouldn?t change the rules midway through the game.
"The internet archive has been a resource that is important to all of us," states the petition, which also threatened a boycott of Grateful Dead recordings and merchandise. "Between the music, and interviews in the archive we are able to experience the Grateful Dead fully."
The Grateful Dead disbanded in 1995 following the death of guitarist and lead singer Jerry Garcia. The group once set concert attendance records and generated millions of dollars in revenue from extensive tours.
With concert tickets now removed as a source of revenue, sales of the band?s music and other merchandise have become increasingly important in an age where music is distributed digitally instead of on CDs, vinyl and cassette tapes.
And the arrival of Apple Computer Inc.?s iTunes online music store, and other similar sites, means free downloads can be seen as competition, said Marc Schiller, chief executive of Electricartists, which helps musicians market themselves online.
The band sells music on iTunes and exclusive shows through its Web site.
"When the music was given away for free to trade, the band was making so much money touring that the music was not as valuable to them," Schiller said. "Apple iTunes has made digital downloads a business."
The Grateful Dead?s freeform improvisational style led to vastly different sounding songs, from year to year or even night to night. A song that lasted four minutes during one performance could be stretched to 20 minutes during a different show.
Fans eager to explore the varying versions frequently built large collections of shows spanning the band?s 30-year career. The band even encouraged recording of their live shows, establishing a cordoned section for fans to set up taping equipment.
Representatives from the Internet Archive didn?t immediately return a telephone call seeking comment Wednesday.
here\'s the times article (didn\'t realize you had to register):
Downloads of the Dead are Not Dead Yet
By JESSE FOX MAYSHARK
Published: December 1, 2005
In the face of anger among its fans and divisions within the band itself, the Grateful Dead on Wednesday said it was reconsidering its decision to disallow downloads of the band\'s concert recordings from a large Internet archive.
With more than 4,200 signatures on an online petition calling for a boycott of Grateful Dead products - from tie-dyed T-shirts to kitsch emblazoned with the band\'s dancing bear and skeleton icons - the band\'s spokesman said the members were still working out an official position on the controversy.
"The band has not fully made up its mind," the spokesman, Dennis McNally, said. "Things have already changed, and God only knows if they\'ll change some more."
Phil Lesh, the band\'s bass player, posted a statement on his own Web site (phillesh.net) on Wednesday, saying he had not known that band representatives the week before Thanksgiving had asked the operators of the Live Music Archive (archive.org) to stop allowing downloads of Grateful Dead concerts. "I do feel that the music is the Grateful Dead\'s legacy and I hope that one way or another all of it is available for those who want it," he wrote.
John Perry Barlow, one of the band\'s lyricists, said he had had a "pretty heated discussion" on Tuesday with Bob Weir, the Dead guitarist and singer, over the extent of the restrictions.
Before the death of Jerry Garcia, a founding member, ended its active career a decade ago, the Grateful Dead had pioneered the practice of allowing fans to record and circulate tapes of its concerts. So its attempted restriction of digital file-sharing felt to many Deadheads like a betrayal.
The band asked the archive to completely remove copies of live recordings made directly from concert soundboards - which are the legal property of the band but often leak into mass circulation - and to make audience recordings available only for listening, not downloading.
The Live Music Archive is a free library of recordings, some made by fans at concerts and others by artists themselves. According to its written policies, recordings are posted only with the permission of the artists.
The move not only created an uproar among the band\'s devoted fans; it also exposed divisions among factions within its extended family, which have often disagreed over the band\'s business philosophy.
Perhaps no one was more conflicted than Mr. Barlow, a founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, an organization that has fought multiple court cases in behalf of freedom of information on the Internet.
Mr. Barlow said he agreed that soundboard recordings should be restricted, but he said fans should continue to be free to circulate their own tapes, as they have for years.
Mr. Barlow said the blanket request to the Live Music Archive was driven by Mr. Weir and the band\'s drummers, Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzmann. "It was almost as if they had just discovered it was happening, even though it\'s been online for at least three years," he said.
But there was also some question as to how explicit the band\'s permission had been in allowing files to be placed in the Live Music Archive to begin with. Mr. Barlow said the band had had a policy since 1997 that "we had no more problem with someone digital file sharing than we had with tape sharing." He said he had relayed that policy to operators of the archive when they contacted him.
"I said that, given that\'s our policy, I don\'t see a problem," Mr. Barlow said. But, he acknowledged, he had also feared that a request for explicit permission from the band\'s corporate entity might get snarled in band politics - which seemed to be the case this week.
Steve Bernstein, the publisher of Relix magazine, which began in the 1970\'s as an outlet for Deadhead tape trading, said the split reflected the band\'s current position. Although the surviving members still sometimes play together as the Dead, he said, their most reliable income comes from new releases of old concert recordings. So their avid file-sharing fans are now also their competitors.
Mr. Barlow said the band\'s other primary lyricist, Robert Hunter, did not wish to get involved in the public debate but supported his position. But the lyricists are not full voting members of the band, and given the apparent 3-1 split among the four surviving performing members in favor of disallowing the downloads, Mr. Barlow said he was not sure how the issue would play out.
In the meantime, the online forums at the Live Music Archive had plenty of outrage, but also a little sympathy. "This action demonstrates a very great lack of generosity on their part, as well as fundamental marketing miscalculation," one person wrote, speculating that people who trade recordings are likely to find other sources rather than buy the band\'s official releases.
But some veteran tape traders urged consideration for the band and a return to the days of sending tapes and discs through the mail. "Thing is, for all these faux pas, GD are still megaparsecs beyond the best of the other rockers," one wrote.
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did anyone see the NY Times articles today?
link for the lazy (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/01/arts/music/01dead.html)
If I am too lazy to look up the article then I am definitely too lazy to register for the NY Times website. Can you hook us up with a quote?
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this was on cnn last night.
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did anyone see the NY Times articles today?
link for the lazy (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/01/arts/music/01dead.html)
Thanks Dave. NOthing would ever get done if there werent people like you around.
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this **** sucks.
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did anyone see the NY Times articles today?
link for the lazy (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/01/arts/music/01dead.html)
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Step aside Archive.org, cash cow coming through.
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yes
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did anyone see the NY Times articles today?
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Help on the Way: Phil Lesh Weighs in on Archive.org Debate
http://www.relix.com/cgi-bin/content_list.cgi?type=news
"I was not part of this decision-making process and was not notified that the shows were to be pulled," says Lesh. "I do feel that the music is the Grateful Dead\'s legacy and I hope that one way or another all of it is available for those who want it."
"We are musicians not businessmen and have made good and bad decisions on our journey," Lesh continues. "We do love and care about our community as you helped us make the music. We could not have made this kind of music without you as you allowed us to play \'without a net.\' Your love, trust and patience made it possible for us to try again the next show when we couldn\'t get that magic carpet off the ground. Your concerns have been heard and I am sure are being respectfully addressed."
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If you do not have it already, any self-respecting Head should go to etree and grab the "Field Trip" show from 8.27.72. Hands down on eof the greatest Dead shows of their career. GO NOW, the SBD is up, and take advantage of people\'s rage towards the Dead as SBDS galore are flooding servers EVERYWHERE!!!
can you burn this for me? i can grab it from you at UAC. i\'ll give you blanks.
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I understand why folks are pissed tho. If I spent a lot of time uploading AUD copies to the archive for months on end to help with the Grateful Dead project (some shows / years that are missing from the vaults mind you) only to have all that effort wiped away so the remaining members can make a few more dollars is sad.
I can undersatnd the Boards being pulled but all the AUD and to only allow streaming is stupid. It is free advertising for the soon to be realeased Official copies at $20/flac download.
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I am just hoping that they have a subscription based system...I would pay that way.
This is a PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:
If you do not have it already, any self-respecting Head should go to etree and grab the "Field Trip" show from 8.27.72. Hands down on eof the greatest Dead shows of their career. GO NOW, the SBD is up, and take advantage of people\'s rage towards the Dead as SBDS galore are flooding servers EVERYWHERE!!!
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it sucks that the shows were taken down, but i think everyone is overreacting. their trading policy is still the same, they just dont want to be on archive.org. if they are going to be selling shows it doesnt make sense for there to be a mass archive where you can download any show from their career for free in just a couple of clicks.
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The important thing is that a lot of people did download a ton of shows while they were up. The fans are pissed and are making an effort to get shows out to those who missed out. That is why a lot of the soundboards are showing up on torrent all of a sudden. Management has always relied on mutual trust with the trading community regarding what could be traded and how. Now the fans feel that trust has been violated. It is hard to say what is going to happen.
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is this a repeat thread? if so, i\'m sorry. must of missed it before. sorry to bring up bad news again, this **** sucks.
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of course, I wouldn\'t tell you this if I didn\'t know from experience, would I?
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sure whatever you say master
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He who hesitates, masterbates.
right?
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yes it is a repeat thread and boy to I wish I had never heard of this because now I am depressed due to the fact I didnt download mnay of the shows b/c I had always assumed they would be on there for a long time. now they are gone. and it is just like it was before when they were unavailable
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is this a repeat thread???
where the heck are the moderators? ;)
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Don\'t worry about it. Stay clueless you will be happier. GDP took everything away, they are **** leave it at that.
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can some techy person or good samaritan please tell me what the hell is going on!? how come i can\'t download ****/can only stream?? did i miss something??????
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I am hoping that they have them available for dl on a subscription based concept that BP is thinking about(remastered sbd\'s on unlimited Bandwith) where you pay monthly or yearly with no limit on DL\'s. That would be cool. Other than that this will suck...bt.etree.org=the way to go...it is faster anyway.
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the cats outta the bag...
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http://gdlive.com/
shhhhhh
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This really sucks I was in the process of trying to get quite a few shows no all gonewhat the heck is going on????
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wow
I can\'t believe they are gone.
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now all auds are gone..great..thanks a lot!
jerry would puke all over this
i was going to buy a lot of GD merch for christmas for my brother, even a jerry bear for my little 3 year old cousin. not anymore!
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http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=47634
http://www.petitiononline.com/gdm/petition.html
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http://www.gdlive.com <---- plenty of great shows in shn still available, including some that archive.org didnt even have anymore, like 8.27.72
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It appears that the non-sbd shows are still available via ftp if you know the server they are on. For example go to audio12.archive.org and look around. The non-sbd gd shows are accessible. The sbd recordings, however, have permissions set so they can\'t be accessed. I\'m glad I archive everything I download. Are the sbd\'s still being distributed via BT on etree or have they stopped that too?
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You can just stream the shows now - no more downloads - and the forums show a deadhead backlash on the way ;)
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Poor Jerry, he would never allow this atrocity.
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well, I got all of 65-68 and most of 69... it was an ongoing project to download it all. was it just the soundboards? oh well. :(
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different boards on pt are reporting that all grateful dead sbd\'s have been pulled off of archive....possibly pending a deal with a major label. sad news!