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Breakfast Babble => The Grand Scheme Of Things => Topic started by: Klout on November 17, 2005, 11:00:02 pm
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while we are on the subject of sound, cobb you should know the answer to this.. what\'s the effect called when tim has the permanent \'wah\' sound during a jam or song. kind of like the jerry effect. im buying an electric guitar in about a month or so and this is the one effect i mean to get right away.
envelope filter
thanks.
reverb, echo, delay...
My personal perference for The breakfast is very little or no rerverb effect in the live environment. Artificial reverb interferes with natural room reflection/acoutics and lowers the intelligiblity of the music and vocals. also, the latency from the processors creates problems and can make the players sound like they are not together. long echos/delays can add vibe or feel only if they are done in the right amount. too much or too long and it can be very distracting.
Josh Dobson is the best sound guy the Breakfast have had and the band would have a hard time functioning without him. The only person I know who can make the webster theatre sound halfway decent.
interesting. definitely hear ya\' from The Breakfast\'s standpoint. i love reggae, and i know most reggae fans usually have a hard time with studio cuts that have very little or no dub. i think part of the reason i dont like reggae shows as much as i should is because theyre all sooo heavy on reverb, echo, delay.. i get the feeling sometimes, like you said vallo, that the band isnt together. it doesnt feel live all the time. ill watch the singer\'s lips move and the lyrics are floating behind.. everything starts meshing into one big sound. hard to feel deep down.
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reverb, echo, delay...
My personal perference for The breakfast is very little or no rerverb effect in the live environment. Artificial reverb interferes with natural room reflection/acoutics and lowers the intelligiblity of the music and vocals. also, the latency from the processors creates problems and can make the players sound like they are not together. long echos/delays can add vibe or feel only if they are done in the right amount. too much or too long and it can be very distracting.
Josh Dobson is the best sound guy the Breakfast have had and the band would have a hard time functioning without him. The only person I know who can make the webster theatre sound halfway decent.
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while we are on the subject of sound, cobb you should know the answer to this.. what\'s the effect called when tim has the permanent \'wah\' sound during a jam or song. kind of like the jerry effect. im buying an electric guitar in about a month or so and this is the one effect i mean to get right away.
envelope filter
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Yeah there\'s a reason one of his nicknames is Echo. Dobs is the **** as far as Sound Guys go.
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no it was up somewhere because i have it on disc. i still listen to it all the time
my bad.. i was thinking of the 9/9/05 show. you got the 6/3 show off BT:
http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=14871
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yea that sucked i think it was may
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I\'ll tell you what....
There was a month where Josh was in Australia, :( that was a month of some bruatl fuckin sound checks, and sound nights in general. We love Dobz....Long live the KING
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no it was up somewhere because i have it on disc. i still listen to it all the time
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chris recorded the june lion\'s den show, i didn\'t.. AFAIK, it has never seen the light of day..
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wierd i cant either.
pretty sure it was there before. i d/l\'d from somewhere. dont think it was bt.
dave?
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where can I find the June Lions Den show? I dont see it on Archive.org
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reverb:
http://audacity.sourceforge.net/manual-1.2/effects_reverb.html
Perhaps my favorite breakfast jam ever is in fact the dub reggae jam inbetween merge and phaddy from the june lions den show. Sooooo fuckin ser i WISH they would do more jams like this.
That whole show is pretty dubbed out. The entire opening taboot serwhich the vocals are extreme reverb and some other effect.
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ill have to download this.
while we are on the subject of sound, cobb you should know the answer to this.. what\'s the effect called when tim has the permanent \'wah\' sound during a jam or song. kind of like the jerry effect. im buying an electric guitar in about a month or so and this is the one effect i mean to get right away.
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isnt reverb sort of the technical name for echo?
If not what is?
I doubt he is pushing a level on the sound board labeled "echo" to make said vocal effects.
or maybe he is I dunno.
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i\'m pretty sure he was talking about the delay not the reverb.
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are you talking about echo or reverb? you mentioned them both interchangably, and they are two very different things. I like his use of echo, never really paid attention to reverb past the actual rooms ambience.
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I never thought of it as \'dub\' but i guess it makes sense because I love dub reggae. I listen to dr dicks dub shack on itunes radio everyday.
My deffinition of it is pretty much reggae with LOTS of reverb and echo and other delay type effects on everything especially the snare and the geetar and the whole style based around the fact that everything is rigged up like this.
Perhaps my favorite breakfast jam ever is in fact the dub reggae jam inbetween merge and phaddy from the june lions den show. Sooooo fuckin ser i WISH they would do more jams like this.
That whole show is pretty dubbed out. The entire opening taboot serwhich the vocals are extreme reverb and some other effect.
I agree 100% on sleeping beauty. There is a lot of songs that get it reularly.i.e. sleeping b, taboo, phaddy,
The best part about it thoough is deffinitly the way he only busts it out when the boys are on fire. BRILLIANT!
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ive been meaning to discuss this in general too.. what are your definitions of DUB? im a big reggae fan and tracks that are supposedly \'dub heavy\' seem to have more of an echo. is that all \'dub\' is? echoes and reverbs or whatever?
as far as these \'echoes\' or Breakfast \'dubs\' i agree, they take songs to a new level when youre not expecting it.. dobs definitely doesnt overdo it either. the only song i think should always have be dubbed is Sleeping Beauty -- during the verses, not the chorus. some of the rufus\'s where the echo kicks in have sounded crazy.
forgot how quick you can find a definition on this here PC:
Dub Music -- from Wikipedia
Dub is a form of Jamaican music, which evolved out of ska and reggae in 1970s Jamaica. The dub reggae sound includes adding extensive echo and reverb effects to an existing music piece, sometimes accompanied by snatches of the lyrics from the original version.
Dub is characterized as a "version" of an existing song, typically emphasizing the drums and bass for a sound popular in local Sound Systems. The instrumental tracks are typically drenched in sound processing effects such as echo, reverb, part vocal and extra percussion, with most of the lead instruments and vocals dropping in and out of the mix. The music sometimes features processed sound effects and other noises, such as animal sounds, babies crying, and producers shouting instructions at the musicians. It can be further augmented by live DJs.
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Shows always sound better with Dobs behind the board
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I have been meaning to post a thread like this for a while because I have long appreciated the echoes dobs throws into vocals at the hot shows and never remember to thank him in person.
The echoes make the hot **** so much hotter. He never does it at the average shows, only the hot tracks at the hot shows. Nor does he ever over use them. Only at the perfect amount at the perfect times!
He does it so well too. Great attention to detail. i.e. a three line chorus will have a different and according level and style of reverb on the last word of each line!
ANyway wanted to give it up and say thanks for making the sick shows that much sicker.
The sound quality ain\'t half bad most of time either ;) it almost always sounds great, even with all the shitty sound systems and bad acoustics
but the echoes rock my world
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